The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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marke

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beloved57 said:
You still clueless, according to Heb 10:14 what did Christ offering Himself accomplish ? And for who ?
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According to 2 Corinthians 5, did not God reconcile the world unto Himself, including lost sinners?

According to 1 John 2:2 did not Jesus die for the sins of the world as well as for the sins of the elect?

According to Ezekiel 18, does not God hate condemning lost sinners to hell?
 
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DAN P

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beloved57 said:
You dont have a clue do you ? Did you understand the post ?
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And you should know that 1 John 2:1-2 is a bad translation as it uses the Greek word HILASMOS ( G 2434 ) which means the means of APPEASING .

Did you check the Greek word in Rom 5:11 , the KJV translates it THE ATONEMENT / KATALLAGE , is a big difference as see G 2643 and see and reads , through whom we have received the RECONCILATION .

Big difference !!

Point #2 is that Israel NEVER had to be RECONCILED TO God as Israel had the LAW of Moses to guide them .

Only GENTILES were given RECONCILIATION , Rom 5:11 and only Paul having placed with us the WORD of RECONCILIATION .

Israel was NEVER given the MINISTRY of RECONCILIATION , 2 Cor 5:18 .

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beloved57

beloved57

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marke said:
Are you claiming God could not save anyone without first offering Jesus on the cross as a sacrifice for sins? Why not? Because God cannot do wrong and to save a sinner without a sacrifice would be wrong?
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Man you go from bad to worse !
 
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marke

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beloved57 said:
Man you go from bad to worse !
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At least I can answer questions because my views are consistent, reasonable, and supported by Scripture. I have asked you several questions you could not answer because your views are contradictory and not fully supported by all Scripture. Can God save sinners without a sacrifice or not? I don't think you can give me an answer because Calvinist views are inconsistent and cannot provide answers which do not conflict with one or more of their bad doctrines.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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marke said:
At least I can answer questions because my views are consistent, reasonable, and supported by Scripture. I have asked you several questions you could not answer because your views are contradictory and not fully supported by all Scripture. Can God save sinners without a sacrifice or not? I don't think you can give me an answer because Calvinist views are inconsistent and cannot provide answers which do not conflict with one or more of their bad doctrines.
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Nothing you say is supported by scripture, it denies scripture. You dont receive the truth of the atonement and what it accomplished as I have testified to with scripture.
 
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marke

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beloved57 said:
Nothing you say is supported by scripture, it denies scripture. You dont receive the truth of the atonement and what it accomplished as I have testified to with scripture.
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I don't believe you can answer my question, but I will ask again, do you believe God can save anyone He wants to save with or without a sacrifice for their sins?
 
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DAN P

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DAN P said:
And you should know that 1 John 2:1-2 is a bad translation as it uses the Greek word HILASMOS ( G 2434 ) which means the means of APPEASING .

Did you check the Greek word in Rom 5:11 , the KJV translates it THE ATONEMENT / KATALLAGE , is a big difference as see G 2643 and see and reads , through whom we have received the RECONCILATION .

Big difference !!

Point #2 is that Israel NEVER had to be RECONCILED TO God as Israel had the LAW of Moses to guide them .

Only GENTILES were given RECONCILIATION , Rom 5:11 and only Paul having placed with us the WORD of RECONCILIATION .

Israel was NEVER given the MINISTRY of RECONCILIATION , 2 Cor 5:18 .

dan p
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And B57 is AVOIDING any answer ?????

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beloved57

beloved57

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Christs death accomplishment is that those He died for will live unto righteousness, because His death for them causes them to be dead to sin 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

How do they live unto righteousness ? By Faith in Christ who is their righteousness Rom 1:16-17; 1 Cor 1:30
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Christs death accomplishment is that those He died for He reconciled them to God ! Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 
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marke

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beloved57 said:
Christs death accomplishment is that those He died for will live unto righteousness, because His death for them causes them to be dead to sin 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

How do they live unto righteousness ? By Faith in Christ who is their righteousness Rom 1:16-17; 1 Cor 1:30
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Christians can enter into God's righteousness by repenting of sins and seeking Jesus' forgiveness. Would to God the wicked would also repent of their sins and turn to Jesus for forgiveness, that they also could enter in.

Luke 13:24
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
 
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marke

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beloved57 said:
Christs death accomplishment is that those He died for He reconciled them to God ! Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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Christians have been reconciled to God by the death of His Son, which is made effective to those who repent of their sins and go to Jesus for salvation.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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marke said:
Christians can enter into God's righteousness by repenting of sins and seeking Jesus' forgiveness. Would to God the wicked would also repent of their sins and turn to Jesus for forgiveness, that they also could enter in.

Luke 13:24
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
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Works salvation !
 
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DAN P

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beloved57 said:
Rom 5:11

11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.
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And by the way , what about Heb 9:15 , explain it , please . Also in Rom 5:11 , the Greek word is KATALLAGE and not ATONEMENT , as atonement was ONLY given to Israel and NOT to the BODY of Christ ,and see , ROM 11:15 and 2 Cor 5;18 and 19 .

Atonement began at Gen 3:21 .

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marke said:
Christians can enter into God's righteousness by repenting of sins and seeking Jesus' forgiveness. Would to God the wicked would also repent of their sins and turn to Jesus for forgiveness, that they also could enter in.

Luke 13:24
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
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What does "Strive" mean there? When Jesus was asked "Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?", what was His answer? Did Jesus say "repent of sins and seek my forgiveness'?
 
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marke

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What does "Strive" mean there? When Jesus was asked "Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?", what was His answer? Did Jesus say "repent of sins and seek my forgiveness'?
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"Strive to enter in" is a term that has some similarities to the admonition
Acts 26:20
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
 
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