beloved57
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Yes He tasted death for all the Sheep people!
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Yes He tasted death for all the Sheep people!
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You are bewildered and think people are dumb for not believing as you do, but you yourself believe it is wrong to obey Jesus.
beloved57
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False, that is nowhere in the scripture. Everyone Christ died for is saved from the curse of the law which means they are saved from their sins.
beloved57
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Everyone who is saved, that Christ died for were saved from their sins without believing, even before they are born!
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No one is saved until they come to the cross and repent of their sins.
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God doesn't save people who don't believe Him.
beloved57
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Again a false statement nowhere in scripture.
beloved57
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False God saves sinners in unbeiief!
beloved57
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You advocate works salvation which is pride !
Jerry Shugart
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If that is what the author of the book of Hebrews meant then why didn't he say that? You must pervert the followiing words in order to make them fit your ideas:
"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Heb.2:9).
"Every man" is not the same thing as "all the Sheep people."
Jerry Shugart
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I NEVER said that it is wrong to obey the Lord Jesus and you know it. Since you are so smart why don't yo respond to the points which I made earlier which proves that believers are saved before they obey the Lord Jesus. So far all you have done is run and hide from these facts which prove that you are clueless in regard to the meaning of the gospel of grace.
They were not saved because Peter preached the word to them so that they could be saved:
"And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house: And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter; Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved" (Acts 11:12-14).
And as soon as they heard and believed the Holy Spirit fell upon them:
"While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost" (Acts 10:44-45).
The Holy Spirit fell on Cornelius and his household immediately after hearing Peter preach to them. They did not obey anything at that point in time.Do you not think those people were saved despite the fact that the Holy Spirit had fallen on them? Is that what you think?
Now let us look at the following verse again:
"Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life" (Jn.6:47).
At John 6:4 the Greek word translated "believes" and the Greek word translated "has" are both in the "present" tense, meaning that as soon as someone believes he has eternal life. Perhaps you think that even though a person has eternal life he is not yet saved? Is that what you believe?
Now let us look at the following verse:
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" (Eph.1:13).
After believing a person is sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. That happens before anyone obeys. Perhaps you think that even though a believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise he is not yet saved? Is that what you believe?
We also see that a person is born again when he believes the gospel:
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God...And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you" (1 Pet.1:23,25).
When a person believes the gospel he is born again. Do you not think that once a person is born again that he is saved?
Yes, the doers of the law shall be justified but in order for that to happen one must keep the law perfectly:
"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident" (Gal.3:10-11).
It is evident that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God to everyone but you!
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Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, "So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life."
2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
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God does NOT save sinners in unbelief.
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It isn't prideful to obey God. It isn't ever wrong to obey God.
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I knew that switch was coming. Of course you say it is wrong to obey Jesus. You said I reject salvation because I say Jesus says to obey him and repent!
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? You feel good about yourself changing it up now? Who had a talk with you?
You are like the Democrats and Liberal fake media.
I explain God's Truth to you very carefully and give you much detail to everything you say and ask.
God told Peter to go to Cornelius to speak the gospel message to them BECAUSE Cornelius was a righteous, devout, God fearing man who prayed to God.
You are an example as to why people who think they should study Greek are led further from the Lord.
We have to believe that this man Jesus is the one we have to obey now and that we must go through Jesus to get to the Father.
We have to believe that we have to obey Jesus now.
You think you are an apologist when you can't even deal with WHAT I POSTED TO YOU?
You are the one WHO DOES NOT DEAL with what I post.
I already explained it to you that JESUS CAME to earth for those WHO ALREADY belonged to God, and to those who REPENTED of their sins with the baptism of repentance.
Maybe you didn't get to that post of mine to you yet?
Stop repeating yourself and GO READ WHAT I POSTED TO YOU ABOUT THIS.
Look at this mess you keep repeating EVEN AFTER I ALREADY EXPLAINED it in detail to you.
beloved57
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Yes it is. Christ died for the Sheep In 10!
beloved57
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Yes it is pride. It's works salvation
OZOS
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Blasphemy and a false gospel. Jesus died for our sins. You are not qualified to repent from them for salvation. The Bible does not teach that.
OZOS
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And you are an illiterate prig, not knowing the Bible or having ever read 2 Cor or Ephesians
2 Cor 3:7-15
"But if the ministration of death, written and engraven IN STONES, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be DONE AWAY:
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is ABOLISHED:
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart."
The Apostle Paul says.
1. The ministry of death and condemnation is written & engraved in stones. Those are the 10 commandments.
2. They had glory, but the glory of the Spirit surpasses the 10 commandments.
3. Moses had to put a veil over his face so the Israel would not see the glory of the 10 commandments fading away.
4. If Moses had not had the veil, Israel would have seen that the 10 commandments were to be abolished.
The Law (10 commandments) was abolished. Paul just said so. And he says it again.
Eph 2:14-16
"For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Having ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, HAVING SLAIN THE ENMITY thereby"
Paul says
1. Jesus broke down the dividing wall between Jew and Gentile.
2. The dividing wall (enmity) is the "Law of commandments"
3. Jesus abolished, in His flesh, the enmity (Law of commandments).
4. There is now no dividing wall between Jew & Gentile
5. Both Jew & Gentile are "one new man" in Christ, because He put to death the enmity (Law of commandments).
OZOS
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Again, you are illiterate, and lack a simple understanding of words.
I will be "judged" in the same way I judged you and by the same measure. I judged you based on what YOU say you believe, just as I will be judged by what I say I believe. Jesus judged the Pharisees for what they said they believe. Jesus called them a "child of hell". Paul judged the Judiazers for what they said they believe. Paul called them "accursed". YOU are a child of hell and accursed.
And YOU judge others based on their behavior, thus you will be judged for your behavior, and you will be found unjustified.