ok doser
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And lose the Democrat's hold on the black voting population by falsely portraying a narrative of inherent racism in this country? Never!
When "BLM" doesn't matter...
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And lose the Democrat's hold on the black voting population by falsely portraying a narrative of inherent racism in this country? Never!
Right. You can't say "All lives matter" unless you include black lives and black lives aren't being given the same consideration as white lives.
The easiest way to understand BLM as a movement of protest for social justice is to stop putting an "Only" in front of it and start putting a "Too" at the end of it. Because that's the point.
No one is putting "criminal" into that, though people who haven't been adjudicated aren't actually criminals. But where the police interact with black people is a frequent illustration of the disparity in treatment. So it's easier to illustrate it in that connection. Not all of those intersections involve criminal activity on the part of the black person hurt or killed, or simply humiliated, as with the family put on the ground recently (A woman and I believe her four daughters. Young girls at any rate.)
No, they didn't. You had to read that in. And then the question becomes, especially given the number of white people involved in these demonstrations, why would you do that?
People sometimes die in championship celebrations and parades. Doesn't mean either of those are about that, desire it, or should be tainted by it.
Hadn't heard that one. Where, who, and what was the response of the actual university involved? And people who threaten others with physical violence can and should be arrested. If they're students and can be identified they should be expelled.
It depends. The Klan comes to you door knocking, well, it could be precisely the answer. But outside of circumstances where you're in fear of your personal safety, sure.
Most demonstrators and demonstrations have been peaceful in cities all across the nation. But we never stop and see a news crew filming the newest flowers blooming along an interstate. We only see the wrecks and traffic jams. That's news.
No it isn't. Now what?
You should stop right there, Lon. It's one thing to concentrate on the negative, but now you're just flat out not telling the truth and you're a lot better than that.
It has a great deal of grace, love, and genuine concern along with a lot of frustration we can only begin to understand and anger born of that. Hate? I've seen it and I understand it didn't simply spring up on its own for no particular reason. I also see whites and blacks marching together by the thousands. You don't get there and that if your message is the message you're reading. Maybe you should take that illustration and ponder it a bit more.
Lon
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"Only" as I said was involved the first go around. I'll mention it again when you come to it below. "Too" is important, because it helps keep level heads where "instead" or "only" would have the point lost.
Don't make the mistake of thinking I'm against reform. That isn't what I'm against. I'm against the wrongheaded and hotheaded actions that are taking place instead of the needed reform. It simply cannot happen without level heads doing it.
There were two events, one was as I've mentioned, blacks, by threat of 'removal' by force ousted teachers from Evergreen College in WA (still on Youtube I believe).
The other was a man demanding you and any other inheritor from slave owners, turn over those properties and monies to former slaves' children. In a couple of cases, they didn't stipulate 'slave owners' just if you were white, to turn over your house for their unfair treatment. That is when there is a 'presented' disparity. Further, yes there is a need in any disparity, to call attention to the disparity, but not to the extreme where the objects of disparity are identified with it, else they will have a really hard time distancing from it. Black lives mattering MUST be couched in all lives mattering else there is no equity. When my 'white' life is on par with any other color, that's the goal. Seeing the big picture, and the goal of it is more than half over the battle. We've had this conversation about affirmative action as well. It needs to be a general rule, rather than some binding contract that cannot be usurped. There are still many jobs left open at Microsoft BECAUSE of a quota on colors where no colors are able or care to apply. I'd augment 'or below' to my statement, if allowed. There is no sense where we want 'preferential' or 'inadequate' treatment. "Equal" is the goalpost.
Poor equivocation. These aren't celebrations which are noble, but dangerous irresponsible and unorganized ones that we know, by history, carry harm in the wake.
Evergreen State College. I believe Youtube still has these news videos.
Best to have options preplanned than to elevate the conflict, but we aren't talking about that, we are talking about getting permits, trying to plan for incidents of riot against your peaceful movement, etc.
As far as I know, every one in WA state had loss of property and bodily harm except the one where the business association in, I think Enumclaw, carried guns to ensure peaceful demonstration. That one was incredibly peaceful.
Mine's a prediction as well as a valuation from one black father who lost his precious child. One, to me, seems to carry substantially more weight.
Because you haven't seen the hate? The damage? The harm? It cannot be a 'good' movement unless 'good' is the outcome AND the ends do not justify those lives already lost, those businesses destroyed, those injuries incurred, or the loss of property, nor the reckless endangerment of lives, including needing to keep social distance and protect lives. You, of all people, agree that there has been a reckless behavior of people who not only will not wear masks, but will not keep safe distance and will not ensure the health of others in a responsible way. You at least can see disparity between two opposing goals and the one that significantly endangers the other, regardless.
Love tries to protect all, not just their clients of interest. Law doesn't and so your representation as a lawyer isn't unloving, BUT it is important to see where lawyer ends and responsible citizen begins. Some things we are against, not for whatever is right, but all the wrong and especially the risk of harm it entails, involved. While 'lesser of two evils' is often our hard task, I have no problem saying, truthfully, there are all kinds of problems with this movement and not the sentiments that are good. It is specifically all the poor attachments and the harm done, that I'm currently giving a voice against it for the lives of those lost, the hotheaded acceleration of conflicts,and the loss of property, health, and income.
I'm not against at all 'black lives mattering' but the movement has gone further than that agenda because, specificaly, there can be no "BLM" that is complicit in the loss of black lives as it moves. There are no acceptable casualties, not when this can and should be done responsibly and peacefully. -Lon
Saying "All lives matter" includes black lives. Somehow, you bizarrely failed to notice that obvious fact. But don't say "All lives matter" in front of a crowd of BLM protesters, because in doing so, you will put yourself at risk getting assaulted or murdered.
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The mother of one of the 2 young black males who was murdered in the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone has filed a lawsuit against the city of Seattle for "allowing protesters to occupy six city blocks," thus creating "a dangerous environment." - https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...-against-city/
It's so ironic that it would be hilarious, if it weren't so tragic.
It's so ironic that it would be hilarious, if it weren't so tragic.
Because, within American society, it's systemically implied that white lives matter....it need not be reiterated (especially from white America). In doing so it transpires into an dismissive affront against the systemic deficiencies inherent to the movement itself....as such shallow declarations of "All lives matter" effectively emerges as mere patronizing and insulting, empty rhetoric.
The systemic racism in America is so bad that we recently had a black president for 8 years.
Ummmm.....:idunno: ok.
And re-elected a white one.....with racial vigour.
There are reasons for that which have nothing to do with "racial vigour." See: Hillary Clinton can't rewrite history, but she'll try
Trump won blue states like Wisconsin, which hadn't gone Republican since Reagan. Do you think they became racist all of a sudden, or are there other explanations for the outcome of the 2016 election that you haven't thought about? Probably the latter.
Is there a segment of the population that is racist? Of course. Has Trump brought out the worst in the Republican Party? That's obvious. Is this their "last hurrah"? That seems likely, based on the numbers.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Which systems imply that white lives matter?
Be specific.
Consider the following:
Politics
Religion
Education
Civil service
Military
Industry
Housing
Food production and distribution
Employment
Trump's election was motivated by the hate of liberals (esp.Hillary); the hate of 8 prior years of progressive (pro-minority) liberal policies....hence its political/anti-progressive thematic response: MAGA.
So....yes, race was a major galvanizing factor.
All
Absolute rubbish. It was much more nuanced than that. Take the link to the thread I gave you and learn something. Or not. But those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.
No, not really on the street level. Trump supporters aren't exactly reknown for their keen interest nor respect for any hint of nuance....but I digress. :chuckle:
Or, in your case, utter trite cliches.
You do indeed digress. There is a bigger picture than just "Trump supporters," which you are choosing not to look at. Carry on!
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
OK let's look at the 1st one.
In what way does the political system in the United States imply that white lives matter?
Be specific