TOL - The Site For Foreign Trump Haters To Rant?

[ok doser]

... I just didn't want to do theology ...

I don't do a lot of theology here, just enough to satisfy my curiosity occasionally

 

[ok doser]

... I just love the man and the mission ...

The mission is the gathering in of the sheep, the reclamation of the Body unto Him, the separation of the tares.

I have long ago determined that you and artie are tares and as such, I don't share the Good Word with you. You get the dust from my feet. And a recognition that you are directed by your father, the father of all lies. You are a wolf. Your claim to love the man is a lie from the pit of hell.

You may find that blunt, harsh and unforgiving. It's what you will find from God when you stand in front of the Judgement Throne.

 

[Lon]

Fair enough


True. I'm a Deist. I

That's why I have such an Avatar....... I just love the man and the mission, but cannot find the kind of faith that you might have. But I acknowledge the faith of Christians.... ALL of their different faiths.

With such an admission, there is a need to go further and decide if He was Who He said He was. You are correct, 'myth' is absurd (or desperate). Josh McDowell, in apologetics, adopted C.S. Lewis' Liar, Legend, Lunatic, Lord discussion: There are only so many options regarding the person of Jesus Christ. Being convinced He is not a Legend, being convinced He is not a Liar, you'd have to either say He was deluded, or the Lord He claimed to be. What is stopping you at this point? -Lon

 

[ok doser]

Insanity 101:

eider believes that Trump can initiate nuclear Armageddon:

... President Trump more or less has control of 'World Melt Down'...

eider really really believes that Trump can initiate nuclear Armageddon:

... the President can push the buttons for melt-down. ...

artie believes that Trump is not sane:

... (Obama) was at least sane....

both artie and eider believe that the following is a good thing, a thing to be encouraged:

... The World is laughing it's head off at your leader ...

Both artie and eider believe that it's a good idea to mock and ridicule a man who is insane and who can initiate nuclear Armageddon on a whim

both artie and eider are clearly insane

 

[ok doser]

With such an admission, there is a need to go further and decide if He was Who He said He was. You are correct, 'myth' is absurd (or desperate). Josh McDowell, in apologetics, adopted C.S. Lewis' Liar, Legend, Lunatic, Lord discussion: There are only so many options regarding the person of Jesus Christ. Being convinced He is not a Legend, being convinced He is not a Liar, you'd have to either say He was deluded, or the Lord He claimed to be. What is stopping you at this point? -Lon

Never having been without my faith, without my certainty in God's plan for me, without my hypostatic union with Christ (PneumaPsucheSoma speaks the language far better than I), I find it incredibly difficult to understand those who claim to have had it (artie, rusha, anna) and those who dance around it (eider) and who now reject it. I can hope that they are wrong, that God will gather them in, that they are a part of the lost sheep of the flock. And I trust in God to gather them in if they are my brothers, if their names are written in the Book.

But I suspect they are tares, here to cause others to stumble.

 

[Lon]

Never having been without my faith, without my certainty in God's plan for me, without my hypostatic union with Christ (PneumaPsucheSoma speaks the language far better than I), I find it incredibly difficult to understand those who claim to have had it (artie, rusha, anna) and those who dance around it (eider) and who now reject it. I can hope that they are wrong, that God will gather them in, that they are a part of the lost sheep of the flock. And I trust in God to gather them in if they are my brothers, if their names are written in the Book.

But I suspect they are tares, here to cause others to stumble.

1 John 2:¹⁹ They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that ^[a]it would be shown that they all are not of us.

It'd seem, agrees with your assessment. There really is nothing, nothing, nothing, that can keep me from the love of God:

^{Romans 8:26} In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. ²⁷ And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

²⁸ And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who^[i] have been called according to his purpose. ²⁹ For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. ³⁰ And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

³¹ What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? ³² He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? ³³ Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. ³⁴ Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. ³⁵ Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? ³⁶ As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”^[j]
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. ³⁸ For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,^[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, ³⁹ neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[ok doser]

1 John 2:¹⁹ They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that ^[a]it would be shown that they all are not of us.

It'd seem, agrees with your assessment. There really is nothing, nothing, nothing, that can keep me from the love of God:

^{Romans 8:26} In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. ²⁷ And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

²⁸ And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who^[i] have been called according to his purpose. ²⁹ For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. ³⁰ And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

³¹ What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? ³² He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? ³³ Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. ³⁴ Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. ³⁵ Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? ³⁶ As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”^[j]
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. ³⁸ For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,^[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, ³⁹ neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Uplifting, thank you - need to focus on this while I work - spent too much energy today confronting foolishness while multitasking - unplugging now :wave2:


btw - this: https://theologyonline.com/forum/pol...30#post2747130
is something I worry about - I have no confidence in Trump's stability - while I don't fear a nuclear Armageddon, I don't discount a petty response either, one that could have far-reaching ramifications - today's experience, here and elsewhere in the virtual world has reminded me of my worst days subbing, which were, blessedly, few - horrible children behaving horribly, ignoring their elders/betters, oblivious to the fact that their behavior will, inevitably, have consequences.

I'm not the blind Trump follower eider finds it convenient to paint me as - I worry about the coming response from a man who should be enjoying all of our support in this time of crisis, a 73 year old man with the weight of the world on his shoulders surrounded by horrible children hooting and shrieking and flicking boogers

Pray for us all.

 

[eider]

With such an admission, there is a need to go further and decide if He was Who He said He was.

Have you? Gone further? I guess we all make our own decisions from our own searchres...?

You are correct, 'myth' is absurd (or desperate). Josh McDowell, in apologetics, adopted C.S. Lewis' Liar, Legend, Lunatic, Lord discussion:

Mythers just have their own set of beliefs. I don't have too much trouble with them in debates.

There are only so many options regarding the person of Jesus Christ. Being convinced He is not a Legend, being convinced He is not a Liar, you'd have to either say He was deluded, or the Lord He claimed to be.

If that is what you found in your searches, then that's what you found.

What is stopping you at this point? -Lon

Well, I discovered quite a lot of information, evidence and corroboration from so many sources.

Where I live Christians (generally speaking) are different from some members on TOL. Quite a lot of difference. Some gatherings have gained the highest respect from the secular neighbourhood in that their every action and word is a credit to their names and their congregations. Others are known specially for their community aid, yet others still for their hospitality. The most recent congregation has gathered many members and it specialises in charity.

I can discuss my beliefs with most of these people, I can only think of one person in any congregation who is aggressive to any of the other congregations. A 'They are not Christians over there!' kind of attitude, but that person could be shocked somewhat if they ventured here...... yes.

So I do post in the political forum here, and lurk in the religious sections for the tiniest clues which might add to my studies.

 

[ok doser]

Lon, to eider:

You'd have to provide the room to be liked, perhaps.

I find it difficult to find anything to like in eider.

Even Christ found it difficult to like hypocrites

for example - eider is continually criticizing the US response to the China Virus, continually linking to Trump what he portrays as a failure in the American response to the Virus, continually blames my country's leader while expressing solidarity for his country's leader, continually avoids discussing the situation in his country, instead focusing attention on Trump, Trump, Trump and the failures of the American response to the pandemic.

Is that justified?

As it turns out, no, it is not. It turns out that his country is in a huge mess, is twice as bad off as we are, and 4x if you exclude the Metro NYC area.

The total deaths count in the US as of yesterday was 54,364 in a total population of 328.2 million, which gives a deaths per 1M ratio of 164.

The total deaths count in the UK as of yesterday was 20,319 in a total population of 66.65 million, which gives a deaths per 1M ratio of 299.

54% of the US cases are in the Metro NYC area - if you adjust the data to exclude that anamolous area, the rest of the country's stats are basically cut in half.

In other words, excluding Metro NYC, the US as a whole has about as many deaths as all of the UK,

and has a deaths per 1M ratio of 75 - one quarter that of the UK

and roughly the same as Germany

but all you'll hear from eider is "Orangemanbad!"

 

[ok doser]

what's important to the retarded monkeys:

The World is laughing it's head off at your leader ...

what was also happening yesterday:

Coronavirus: UK hospital deaths pass 20,000 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52424413

What eider and artie and jgarden had to say about that grim milestone:

Spoiler

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Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

[Lon]

Have you? Gone further? I guess we all make our own decisions from our own searchres...?

Yes (one of my degrees and also, He answers prayers I've petitioned, unmistakably.

just have their own set of beliefs. I don't have too much trouble with them in debates.

James Cameron, Dawkins, Hitchens, they made it 'fashionable.'

If that is what you found in your searches, then that's what you found... I discovered quite a lot of information, evidence and corroboration from so many sources.

Where I live Christians (generally speaking) are different from some members on TOL. Quite a lot of difference. Some gatherings have gained the highest respect from the secular neighbourhood in that their every action and word is a credit to their names and their congregations. Others are known specially for their community aid, yet others still for their hospitality. The most recent congregation has gathered many members and it specialises in charity.

Most are quite a bit different. There generally seems to be a disconnect on TOL.

I can discuss my beliefs with most of these people, I can only think of one person in any congregation who is aggressive to any of the other congregations. A 'They are not Christians over there!' kind of attitude, but that person could be shocked somewhat if they ventured here...... yes.

So I do post in the political forum here, and lurk in the religious sections for the tiniest clues which might add to my studies.

Does this mean you prefer not to discuss your beliefs on TOL? If so, I can empathize and certainly those nurturing communities are a better venue for the conversation, but it does also seem, by your response among those, there is a 'me/them' tenor. What is keeping you from Christ? -Lon

 

[Lon]

Lon, to eider:
for example - eider is continually criticizing the US response to the China Virus, continually linking to Trump what he portrays as a failure in the American response to the Virus, continually blames my country's leader while expressing solidarity for his country's leader, continually avoids discussing the situation in his country, instead focusing attention on Trump, Trump, Trump and the failures of the American response to the pandemic.

Is that justified?

As it turns out, no, it is not. It turns out that his country is in a huge mess, is twice as bad off as we are, and 4x if you exclude the Metro NYC area.

but all you'll hear from eider is "Orangemanbad!"

My guess is that something in Obama fueled racial and sexual equality that England long held/holds as desirable. There was a very long time when behavior was seen as behavior, rather than identity and Obama helped for about 10 years, blur those lines. With Trump, there is a decided mark against Political Correctness, calling into question the veracity of any given stance from the Left. In the UK, helium filled balloons of Trump in diapers (orange of course) were exhibited almost from his inauguration.

Thus, my guess is that it has little to do with Trump himself (I think a little of it must be reserved for him specifically), but rather as the figurehead for 'two steps back' and 'fake news' spotlights.

Its a guess.

 

[ok doser]

My guess is that something in Obama fueled racial and sexual equality that England long held/holds as desirable. There was a very long time when behavior was seen as behavior, rather than identity and Obama helped for about 10 years, blur those lines. With Trump, there is a decided mark against Political Correctness, calling into question the veracity of any given stance from the Left. In the UK, helium filled balloons of Trump in diapers (orange of course) were exhibited almost from his inauguration.

Thus, my guess is that it has little to do with Trump himself (I think a little of it must be reserved for him specifically), but rather as the figurehead for 'two steps back' and 'fake news' spotlights.

Its a guess.

interesting - I'll have to ponder that

a bit ironic considering that the UK has yet to elect an ethnic PM

although Disraeli was pretty close :chuckle:

 

[eider]

Yes (one of my degrees and also, He answers prayers I've petitioned, unmistakably.

Very good. h
I do and have read Historical Jesus authors, most of them highly respected scholars and professors, but only one or two have looked 'right' to me. Dominic Crosson is right up there in the academic world, but his 'magic for meal' shuffling peasant with a couple of hangers on, struggling from one village to next to eek a living from clever talk and tricks ......... if that is the cutting edge of professorship then I'll gladly search aslone, or that was my opinion as I trashed his £35 book in the waste. And he thought that Galilean peasants were wrapped up in Roman patronage culture...... Lon, some total jerks are making masses of money and poor under graduates hanging on their every word. There are so many like him.....

Geza Vermes....... very good. But you don't have to agree with that because he was an ordained priest who left the church after translating the Dead Sea Scrolls, I remember.

And on........

James Cameron, Dawkins, Hitchens, they made it 'fashionable.'

Yes......... and chucked the baby out with the bathwater, most of 'em.
These folks are more interested in their names than the subject matter.

Most are quite a bit different. There generally seems to be a disconnect on TOL.

Yes. Some..... only some..... are gnashing careless monsters on the political forum, and then transform in to humble followers in religious posts.... a kind of schizophrenia of sorts. But I guess that they believe that faith beats actions and words somehow.

Does this mean you prefer not to discuss your beliefs on TOL?

Yes. Mythers probably don't stay here for long, and I didn't research for decades to shove my findings down the throats of Christians..... only on forums where they sell (proselytize) their particular religion aggressively. Somehow I became very developed in criticism of Bahai, almost every claim made can be reversed just like Orwellian double-think.

So I don't flog my findings unless pushed very hard.

If so, I can empathize and certainly those nurturing communities are a better venue for the conversation,

Yes! A Friday morning Christian cafeteria, or a Salvatian Army 'soup and chat' venue, etc...... easy comfortable discussions, mostly.

but it does also seem, by your response among those, there is a 'me/them' tenor. What is keeping you from Christ? -Lon

My studies and research show and stop at (about) the point where Jesus passes through Capernaum after the events in Jerusalem. I was already a Deist before I commenced my studies .... I just didn't know it. And so for me Jesus is a historical figure. But I may have been able to colour in the outlines beyond those shown in the gospels because I can access, archaeology, other writings, taxation, coinage, events not covered in bible, fishing technique, geography etc in more detail..... possibly.

 

[ok doser]

Some..... only some..... are gnashing careless monsters on the political forum, and then transform in to humble followers in religious posts.... a kind of schizophrenia of sorts. But I guess that they believe that faith beats actions and words somehow.

Speaking only for myself, I admit freely to treating differently those who are in the Body or who are interested in hearing the Word, and those who mock God and promote evil

If you're one of the latter and you have a retarded expectation that your promotion of evil should stand unopposed, then I suppose it might indeed look schizophrenic

And so for me Jesus is a historical figure.

He lives even today


always has, always will

 

[ok doser]

What a difference two weeks makes! :nono:

Coronavirus: 'Sombre day' as UK deaths hit 10,000 12 April 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52264145

Coronavirus: UK hospital deaths pass 20,000 25 April 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52424413

April 12: Somber

April 25:

The World is laughing it's head off at your leader ...

I wonder what eider's reaction will be next week when the UK death count hits 30,000?



nah - i don't wonder

he'll ignore it and focus on "orangemanbad", 'cause that's what the idiot box will tell him to do :sigh:

 

[Lon]

Very good. h
I do and have read Historical Jesus authors, most of them highly respected scholars and professors, but only one or two have looked 'right' to me. Dominic Crosson is right up there in the academic world, but his 'magic for meal' shuffling peasant with a couple of hangers on, struggling from one village to next to eek a living from clever talk and tricks ......... if that is the cutting edge of professorship then I'll gladly search aslone, or that was my opinion as I trashed his £35 book in the waste. And he thought that Galilean peasants were wrapped up in Roman patronage culture...... Lon, some total jerks are making masses of money and poor under graduates hanging on their every word. There are so many like him.....

I rarely read skeptics. When I do, it is always thin, like the above, speculative and about as far from academics as I've seen. Did the guy have a degree to pawn that kind of thing?

Geza Vermes....... very good. But you don't have to agree with that because he was an ordained priest who left the church after translating the Dead Sea Scrolls, I remember.

Or Bart Eerdman, similar, was an academic, wrote with other translators, came to reject Christianity. 1 John 2:19 says they never had the spirit. The whole dynamic of Christianity is the difference between flesh and imago deo. I simply ask men: Are you spiritual? If not, they are denying their image of God. Augustine called it a God-shaped-void in our present state without Him. It is the need. Jesus Christ meets that need.

And on........


Yes......... and chucked the baby out with the bathwater, most of 'em.
These folks are more interested in their names than the subject matter.

It is the flesh thing, the Apostle Paul said the man without the Spirit, cannot grasp spiritual things. It makes sense, there is a blindness to that which is spiritually true. Anybody with the Spirit sees it, like a blind man with his/her eyes opened.

Yes. Some..... only some..... are gnashing careless monsters on the political forum, and then transform in to humble followers in religious posts.... a kind of schizophrenia of sorts. But I guess that they believe that faith beats actions and words somehow.

Martin Luther said to 'sin boldly' so I always try to see people somewhere on a journey, hoping that as they walk with the Savior, they will be changed by Him. Galatians 5:14“Love your neighbor as yourself. ¹⁵ If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

¹⁶ So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. ¹⁷ For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. ¹⁸ But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

¹⁹ The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; ²⁰ idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions ²¹ and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

²² But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, ²³ gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. ²⁴ Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. ²⁵ Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. ²⁶ Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Yes. Mythers probably don't stay here for long, and I didn't research for decades to shove my findings down the throats of Christians..... only on forums where they sell (proselytize) their particular religion aggressively. Somehow I became very developed in criticism of Bahai, almost every claim made can be reversed just like Orwellian double-think.

So I don't flog my findings unless pushed very hard.


Yes! A Friday morning Christian cafeteria, or a Salvatian Army 'soup and chat' venue, etc...... easy comfortable discussions, mostly.


My studies and research show and stop at (about) the point where Jesus passes through Capernaum after the events in Jerusalem. I was already a Deist before I commenced my studies .... I just didn't know it. And so for me Jesus is a historical figure. But I may have been able to colour in the outlines beyond those shown in the gospels because I can access, archaeology, other writings, taxation, coinage, events not covered in bible, fishing technique, geography etc in more detail..... possibly.

To what end? I pray that you continue, reach spiritual considerations, and in doing so, find the Savior, who is God incarnate, come to give us abundant life. -Lon

 

[eider]

My guess is that something in Obama fueled racial and sexual equality that England long held/holds as desirable. There was a very long time when behavior was seen as behavior, rather than identity and Obama helped for about 10 years, blur those lines. With Trump, there is a decided mark against Political Correctness, calling into question the veracity of any given stance from the Left. In the UK, helium filled balloons of Trump in diapers (orange of course) were exhibited almost from his inauguration.

Thus, my guess is that it has little to do with Trump himself (I think a little of it must be reserved for him specifically), but rather as the figurehead for 'two steps back' and 'fake news' spotlights.

Its a guess.

Hi Lon,
Please don't take notice of ok doser's claims about what I wrote, think or believe.

It's got to be a 'real quotes only' tenet with that character.

 

[ok doser]

Hi Lon,
Please don't take notice of ok doser's claims about what I wrote, think or believe.

Feel free to correct any mischaracterizations or misrepresentations in what I wrote :idunno:

 

[eider]

I rarely read skeptics. When I do, it is always thin, like the above, speculative and about as far from academics as I've seen. Did the guy have a degree to pawn that kind of thing?

Dominic Crosson is regarded as being in the top ten Historical Jesus scholars in the World, I should thin, right up there with Bart Ehrman (sprelling?) who you mention later. I reckon that I could drive a bus through their proposals about historic Jesus.

Or Bart Eerdman, similar, was an academic, wrote with other translators, came to reject Christianity. 1 John 2:19 says they never had the spirit. The whole dynamic of Christianity is the difference between flesh and imago deo. I simply ask men: Are you spiritual? If not, they are denying their image of God. Augustine called it a God-shaped-void in our present state without Him. It is the need. Jesus Christ meets that need.

Bart comes up with some very strange ideas. He sells Bart Ehrman.

It is the flesh thing, the Apostle Paul said the man without the Spirit, cannot grasp spiritual things. It makes sense, there is a blindness to that which is spiritually true. Anybody with the Spirit sees it, like a blind man with his/her eyes opened.

I would take more notice of Paul if he had ever once told any one account of anything that Jesus did, or the Baptist for that matter. My research tends to end where Jesus is going North through Capernaum.

Martin Luther said to 'sin boldly' so I always try to see people somewhere on a journey, hoping that as they walk with the Savior, they will be changed by Him. Galatians 5:14“Love your neighbor as yourself. ¹⁵ If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

¹⁶ So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. ¹⁷ For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. ¹⁸ But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Obviously I acknowledge your believe in such Christian doctrines or tenets. But I cannot share them. I am a Deist.

¹⁹ The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; ²⁰ idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions ²¹ and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Apart from occasionally enjoying alcohol I don't think I am in to any of the above. But Jesus enjoyed his meat and wine, enough for the Baptist to feel the need to question him about it.

²² But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, ²³ gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. ²⁴ Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. ²⁵ Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. ²⁶ Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Do you think that all members here have the above qualities?

To what end?

Who can easily explain how they come to be fascinated by a particular subject or hobby or lifestyle?
I started out and after years found that I had continued.

I pray that you continue, reach spiritual considerations, and in doing so, find the Savior, who is God incarnate, come to give us abundant life. -Lon

I am a Deist.
But I can tell about the life and times of the Baptist and Yeshua in some detail.

How much interest do you take in the details surrounding the gospel accounts, or is it unnecessary, after all, Paul took little interest in the events of Jesus's travels and situations.