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Where does the Bible teach that the earth is billions of years old?

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  • Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
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    But, in Genesis 1, some amount of time is meant by it, in any case; no?



    Wait, are you claiming to know that, in, say, Genesis 1:5, a 24-hour period cannot be/is not meant by it?



    Would you say that not one, or more, 24-hour period(s) of time could come to pass until after God had made the greater light to rule the day?

    But, you're more than happy to say that at least one period of time you'd call an "Aeon" could/did come to pass before God had made the sun, no?

    Would you say that one "Aeon" is longer than one 24-hour period?

    If one "Aeon" is a period longer than one 24-hour period, and no 24-hour period could have come to pass until after God had made the sun, then how could one, or more "Aeons" have come to pass until after God had made the sun?

    I guess what I'm trying to get at is to learn why you think the fact of God's making the sun on the fourth day somehow debars days one, two, and three (at least) from being, each, a 24-hour period, but that, somehow, each of those days can be a period of some length other than 24 hours--just so long as they're not 24-hour periods.

    What I said (that you ignored) was that the Bible doesn't SPECIFY in exact terms the exact meaning of "YOWM", and the word itself is non-specific. You want to believe in a 144 standard hour total creation cycle, from "In the beginning" to Adam and Eve. As an "O.E.C." I don't hang my hat on any Specific time period. You are totally incapable of changing my mind with the same 'ol argumant that I've heard for the last 60+ years. And obviously I'll not change yours. so I'll bow out, and you can have the last word.

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    • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post

      Why do you tie the meaning of the Hebrew word for "day" to the existence of the sun, when the Hebrew text makes no effort to do so, even going so far as to state "evening and morning, a day, the first"?
      The sun and Moon were specifically stated to "Govern day and night". What "Governed it previously??? And "YOWM" doesn't specifically MEAN "Day" in Hebrew. It can mean any number of different chronological periods.

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      • Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
        But, in Genesis 1, some amount of time is meant by it, in any case; no?
        Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
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        Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
        Wait, are you claiming to know that, in, say, Genesis 1:5, a 24-hour period cannot be/is not meant by it?
        Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
        <NO ANSWER>
        Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
        Would you say that not one, or more, 24-hour period(s) of time could come to pass until after God had made the greater light to rule the day?
        Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
        <NO ANSWER>
        Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
        But, you're more than happy to say that at least one period of time you'd call an "Aeon" could/did come to pass before God had made the sun, no?
        Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
        <NO ANSWER>
        Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
        Would you say that one "Aeon" is longer than one 24-hour period?
        Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
        <NO ANSWER>
        Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
        If one "Aeon" is a period longer than one 24-hour period, and no 24-hour period could have come to pass until after God had made the sun, then how could one, or more "Aeons" have come to pass until after God had made the sun?
        Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
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        Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
        What I said (that you ignored) was that the Bible doesn't SPECIFY in exact terms the exact meaning of "YOWM", and the word itself is non-specific.
        In other words, according to your view, the Bible is simply meaningless, in Genesis 1, where it says "day".

        Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
        You want to believe in a 144 standard hour total creation cycle, from "In the beginning" to Adam and Eve.
        Whereas you want to believe that, in Genesis 1, God uses the word "day" meaninglessly.

        Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
        As an "O.E.C." I don't hang my hat on any Specific time period.
        Which makes you a non-believer of Genesis 1 (at least).

        Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
        You are totally incapable of changing my mind with the same 'ol argumant that I've heard for the last 60+ years.
        You call the numerous questions I've asked you--not a single one of which you've answered--"the same old argument that I've heard for the last 60+ years"? Have you been forced to stonewall against those questions for the last 60+ years?

        Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
        And obviously I'll not change yours.
        Correct. I'll stick with the Biblical worldview.

        What evidence do you have to support your claim that what you call "evidence" is evidence?

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        • Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

          How long were the "YOWM" before the fourth YOWM when there was a Sun to govern??
          There was a light source. All we have to do is assume a rotating Earth for evenings and mornings.


          ​​​​​​Unless you're going to copy Barbarian and insist that mornings and evenings need to be defined by specifically sunlight.
          Where is the evidence for a global flood?
          E≈mc2
          "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

          "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
          -Bob B.

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          • Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

            "YOWM" can be, and is in various places, anything from a "non-specified amount of time" to a "Day" to an "Aeon".
            Luckily we have context to differentiate between uses, as we do in English.

            "Back in my day, there was a day..."

            I Don't know for sure, what "YOWM" means before the existence of the sun, and neither do you in this case.
            "I don't like this tiger. He reads minds."

            The text is explicit: "Evening and morning" were one day. There was a light source, there was evening and morning. As long as the Earth was rotating pretty much as it is today,
            Where is the evidence for a global flood?
            E≈mc2
            "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

            "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
            -Bob B.

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            • First you must realize that these verses were written to people who still believed the earth was flat. If you were to use the true time span of these events people would walk disbelieving all of it. Instead it was put in a timeline that one at the time could understand. On the sixth day was an analogy of time and not intended to represent the true time span.

              Having said the above this debate does create dialog between strangers which is good, on this the morning of the eighth day
              And so it was and so it will be; As I see it
              (:-

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              • Originally posted by RobertBoyce View Post
                First you must realize that these verses were written to people who still believed the earth was flat.
                Nonsense. Why do you and others keep repeating myths like this?
                All of my ancestors are human.
                Originally posted by Squeaky
                That explains why your an idiot.
                Originally posted by God's Truth
                Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                  Nonsense. Why do you and others keep repeating myths like this?
                  When was Genesis written? And at that time, what did the Israelites think about the shape of the earth and how do you know?

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                  • Originally posted by RobertBoyce View Post
                    [SIZE=16px][FONT=Calibri]These verses were written to people who still believed the earth was flat.
                    No, they weren't.

                    If you were to use the true time span of these events people would walk disbelieving all of it.
                    Why?
                    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                    E≈mc2
                    "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                    "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                    -Bob B.

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                    • Originally posted by Jonahdog View Post

                      When was Genesis written? And at that time, what did the Israelites think about the shape of the earth and how do you know?
                      He made the claim that they believed that the earth was flat ... let him or you prove that.

                      Your are such a
                      All of my ancestors are human.
                      Originally posted by Squeaky
                      That explains why your an idiot.
                      Originally posted by God's Truth
                      Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                      Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                      1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                      Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                      • The myth of the flat Earth is a modern misconception that European scholars and educated people during the Middle Ages believed the Earth to be flat rather than spherical.
                        The earliest documentation of a spherical Earth comes from the ancient Greeks (5th century BC). Since the 600s AD, .,,,,,.,and by the Early Middle Ages (700–1500 AD), virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint.
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth
                        (:-

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                        • The myth of the flat Earth is a modern misconception that European scholars and educated people during the Middle Ages believed the Earth to be flat rather than spherical.

                          The earliest documentation of a spherical Earth comes from the ancient Greeks (5th century BC). Since the 600s AD, .,,,,,.,and by the Early Middle Ages (700–1500 AD), virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint.

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth
                          (:-

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                          • Originally posted by RobertBoyce View Post
                            The myth of the flat Earth is a modern misconception that European scholars and educated people during the Middle Ages believed the Earth to be flat rather than spherical.

                            The earliest documentation of a spherical Earth comes from the ancient Greeks (5th century BC). Since the 600s AD, .,,,,,.,and by the Early Middle Ages (700–1500 AD), virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint.
                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth
                            (:-
                            Wikipedia is the best that you can do?
                            All of my ancestors are human.
                            Originally posted by Squeaky
                            That explains why your an idiot.
                            Originally posted by God's Truth
                            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                            • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post

                              He made the claim that they believed that the earth was flat ... let him or you prove that.

                              Your are such a
                              You claimed it was a myth. Enlighten us. the question is in 1000 +/- BCE what did the people in the Middle East believe or understand about the shape of the earth? Maybe no one knows, maybe they did not care, maybe because they were focused on a small sliver of the earth they were clueless but it did not matter. If you dont know the answer, just say so.
                              But you should at least know when Genesis was written.

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                              • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post

                                Wikipedia is the best that you can do?
                                Then give him a better source.

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