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  • #31
    Originally posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
    The Palestinians had all the land in 1948.
    The British had been occupying the area for 30 years. Prior to that, the Turks ruled for 400 years. There were both Arabs and Jews living in the land.

    Israel is continuing to expand into Palestinian land now. Don't the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

    Originally posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
    This is more complex than you guys are making it out to be, and terrorism is primarily a problem here BECAUSE the Middle East is frankly ticked off about our unwavering support for Israel and intervention in their affairs.
    Other Arab nations have refused to take Palestinians into their land. They do not care. They use them as pawns in their own game and nothing more. Those people are nothing but political leverage.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Dena View Post
      The British had been occupying the area for 30 years. Prior to that, the Turks ruled for 400 years. There were both Arabs and Jews living in the land.
      That's not an excuse to continue driving the Arabs out.

      Other Arab nations have refused to take Palestinians into their land. They do not care. They use them as pawns in their own game and nothing more. Those people are nothing but political leverage.
      Yeah, it is a political game. That's not really Palestine's fault. I'm not really anti-Israel but I don't think its fair to just pretend like the Palestinian problem doesn't exist.

      In the immediate term though, Israel bombed Syria. Since nobody has been able to tell me how this is "Defense", I'm going to make the logical assumption that this is just aggression on Israel's part.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
        That's not an excuse to continue driving the Arabs out.
        It was a response to your ignorance. It would probably serve you well to read the history of Israel if you want to debate her actions. I don't yet have any confidence that you've done so.

        Originally posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
        Yeah, it is a political game. That's not really Palestine's fault. I'm not really anti-Israel but I don't think its fair to just pretend like the Palestinian problem doesn't exist.
        Israel doesn't pretend there isn't an issue.

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        • #34
          It was a response to your ignorance. It would probably serve you well to read the history of Israel if you want to debate her actions. I don't yet have any confidence that you've done so.
          I don't know as much as I'd like.

          Israel doesn't pretend there isn't an issue.
          From my understanding, that's true. Its the United States that pretends that its not an issue.

          Look, Israel isn't really my problem here. Its like blaming a common drug smuggler for Al Capone. America is the problem here. The USA is enabling Israel to be reckless and get away with it. If Israel wants to bomb Syria, they should not expect any support. And bombing Syria is not "Defense."

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          • #35
            Originally posted by This Charming Manc View Post
            i'm not ridiculously pro Isreal
            Note how the liberal apologizes for his position because he is affraid to die.

            but any country has the right to stop terrorist organisations trying to destroy it from getting chemical weapons and the delivery systems to deploy them.


            Action by Israel is not first strike. Al-queda threw the first punch and has declared they will never quit until the Jews and great satan (USA) are gone.

            Also the Assad regime has used heavy weapons its own population at that point they loose all legitimacy as a government.
            Not really. The rebels are al-queada. Civil war is the correct term, just not in the manner the media portrays. Al-queada is fighting Iran for control of the islamic world.
            Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

            Titus 1

            For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

            Ephesians 5

            11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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            • #36
              Originally posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
              That's not an excuse to continue driving the Arabs out.


              Yeah, it is a political game. That's not really Palestine's fault. I'm not really anti-Israel but I don't think its fair to just pretend like the Palestinian problem doesn't exist.

              In the immediate term though, Israel bombed Syria. Since nobody has been able to tell me how this is "Defense", I'm going to make the logical assumption that this is just aggression on Israel's part.
              The Arabs moved out, those that remained in Jerusalem have not been driven out. That is history
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Nick M View Post
                Note how the liberal apologizes for his position because he is affraid to die.
                Is that a threat?

                He may be liberal but at least he's not a Zionist.




                Action by Israel is not first strike. Al-queda threw the first punch and has declared they will never quit until the Jews and great satan (USA) are gone.
                No they haven't. That's BS. Have you heard of Michael Schuer?
                Not really. The rebels are al-queada. Civil war is the correct term, just not in the manner the media portrays. Al-queada is fighting Iran for control of the islamic world.
                Good for them. Who cares?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
                  Is that a threat?
                  Why don't you take islam serious? And get your brains out of neutral. I made no threat to him. I pointed out he was apologizing for saying Israel is right so he isn't beheaded by some muslim.
                  Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                  Titus 1

                  For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                  Ephesians 5

                  11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Nick M View Post
                    Why don't you take islam serious? And get your brains out of neutral. I made no threat to him. I pointed out he was apologizing for saying Israel is right so he isn't beheaded by some muslim.
                    Yeah, he's not going to die.

                    At least not by that cause.

                    Regarding taking Islam seriously, I take them so seriously that I don't want to provoke enemies for no reason.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQs5hoHW_Qc

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
                      Yeah, he's not going to die.
                      He lives in the UK, they are even more liberal than you.

                      Regarding taking Islam seriously, I take them so seriously that I don't want to provoke enemies for no reason.
                      Yeah, because that worked so well for Bill Clinton when he told the Sudan no in regards to offering him Bin Laden. Don't want to incite them.

                      There are only a few people on this forum that are dumber than you. And that airhead rainee is one of them. Just let you know where you stand in the scheme of things.
                      Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                      Titus 1

                      For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                      Ephesians 5

                      11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Nick M View Post
                        He lives in the UK, they are even more liberal than you.
                        You're more liberal than me, at least on the economy. You support socialized infrastructure. So shut up

                        Yeah, because that worked so well for Bill Clinton when he told the Sudan no in regards to offering him Bin Laden. Don't want to incite them.

                        There are only a few people on this forum that are dumber than you. And that airhead rainee is one of them. Just let you know where you stand in the scheme of things.

                        Yet among other things, Bill Clinton bombed the crap out of Iraq. Total noninterventionist position, that.

                        George W. Bush ran on a platform of less intervention. He didn't follow it, but that's what he ran on. And that was the conservative position throughout most of American history. Neo-cons are neo-trotskyites, not real conservatives.

                        As for my status on this forum, there are people here who are smarter than I am, but you aren't one of them.

                        You're probably the third or fourth dumbest.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
                          You're more liberal than me, at least on the economy.
                          Yep, the list of posters dumber than you is short.

                          You support socialized infrastructure.



                          Yet among other things, Bill Clinton bombed the crap out of Iraq. Total noninterventionist position, that.
                          And lets not forget aspirin factories.

                          George W. Bush ran on a platform of less intervention.
                          And then 9-11 was his wake up call to bad policy.
                          Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                          Titus 1

                          For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                          Ephesians 5

                          11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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                          • #43
                            Action by Israel is not first strike. Al-queda threw the first punch and has declared they will never quit until the Jews and great satan (USA) are gone.
                            I think the issue is much bigger an Al queda, Isreal had major legitimate security concerns before Al Quaeda and will have them after as well. To simplify this as al queda vs isreal reduces and very complex situation down to the plot of a John Wayne film

                            Not really. The rebels are al-queada. Civil war is the correct term, just not in the manner the media portrays. Al-queada is fighting Iran for control of the Islamic world.
                            The truth is some of the rebels are Al-Queda many others are not, the lack of western support for the more secular rebels, created a void Al-Queda based groups have filled and have since defined this war into another Shiite vrs Sunni sectarian conflict.

                            20 -20 hindsight is a wonderful thing, and I understand our slowness for wanting to get invloved. But Russia and Chinas support of the Assad regime has created a fertile breading ground for al queda in syria.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Knight View Post
                              The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for May 6th, 2013 05:00 AM


                              toldailytopic: SYRIA vs. ISRAELI. Who is in the right? Should the US get involved?

                              I think I'll vote for Israel...still.
                              The Author of all watches over me, and I have a fine horse.


                              Abortion is murder. Period.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by resurrected View Post
                                if we can't manage to get along on TOL, what hope for the arabs and jews?
                                It's simple (well, sort of).

                                Arabs (Muslims) can accept that Yeshua (Jesus Christ) is the Savior of mankind, both Jews as well as Gentiles.

                                They can reject their false beliefs and accept the truth.

                                They can be saved.

                                The choice is theirs, and the gift has been freely given.
                                The Author of all watches over me, and I have a fine horse.


                                Abortion is murder. Period.

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