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  • Mulla Sadra
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    Originally posted by moparguy View Post
    Yes, the quran, hadith, sira, and sunnah all encourage jihad by the sword.

    This is even more obvious when you learn of naskh/abrogation and learn which verses came last and abrogated the most earlier verses.

    The hadiths, sunnah, and sira merely serve to nail the coffin shut on the topic.

    The bare bones of the pro-terrorist view of the islamic teachings, as I understand it, springs from the fact that in the holy texts of islam, EVERYONE is born as a muslim - so those who are not currently muslims have apostatized, and apostates under sharia can never be considered innocents, so the death of non-muslims is perfectly ok.
    1- Naskh actually deleted some of the War verses not visa-versa.
    2-You are making a loud fallacy of mixing "Islam" as supplication to God, and "Islam" as a religion.
    3- BTW, Sira if not authenticated by Hadeeth is not a proof in Islamic Traditional Sciences, to separate them is one of the known mis-understandings of those who share their hatred of Islam.

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  • moparguy
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    Yes, the quran, hadith, sira, and sunnah all encourage jihad by the sword.

    This is even more obvious when you learn of naskh/abrogation and learn which verses came last and abrogated the most earlier verses.

    The hadiths, sunnah, and sira merely serve to nail the coffin shut on the topic.

    The bare bones of the pro-terrorist view of the islamic teachings, as I understand it, springs from the fact that in the holy texts of islam, EVERYONE is born as a muslim - so those who are not currently muslims have apostatized, and apostates under sharia can never be considered innocents, so the death of non-muslims is perfectly ok.

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  • xAvarice
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    Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
    You mean like the Crusades?

    What about the Christian 30 Years War that decimated the population of Europe like a plague? It's not the faith, but certain adherents in certain concentrations.

    Again, do the math. It isn't hard, only inconvenient for you.
    But if they do not share the same God as you (since both can't be true), then their religion only serves as an excuse waiting for anyone to oppress and to fleece.

    If their religion doesn't grant any supernatural morality or benefit - then what purpose does it truly have or advantage over any other book?

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  • Mulla Sadra
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    Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
    You mean like the Crusades?

    What about the Christian 30 Years War that decimated the population of Europe like a plague? It's not the faith, but certain adherents in certain concentrations.

    Again, do the math. It isn't hard, only inconvenient for you.
    Wait ..........

    He might have some right within .

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  • Town Heretic
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    Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
    you don't need the whole history

    you just need to look at all the wars that have involved Islam

    have you looked at them?
    You mean like the Crusades?

    What about the Christian 30 Years War that decimated the population of Europe like a plague? It's not the faith, but certain adherents in certain concentrations.

    Again, do the math. It isn't hard, only inconvenient for you.

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  • Mulla Sadra
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    Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
    I may have missed a few
    but
    that is not important

    we have enough of them to see the trouble Islam has caused
    Please, Don't change your answers too much, I don't like to do conclusion on an answer you don't mean (I don't want to be unjust with you).

    How Battles you have read of relate to Islam ?

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  • chrysostom
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    I may have missed a few
    but
    that is not important

    we have enough of them to see the trouble Islam has caused

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  • Mulla Sadra
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    Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
    look at all the wars that have involved Islam
    So it is a warfare history (not WHOLE history, I am going to let that go for you).

    So you are sure of the WHOLE warfare history of Islam ? (look at bolded)

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  • chrysostom
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    Originally posted by Mulla Sadra View Post
    How did you acquire sureness of the whole History of Islam ?
    you don't need the whole history

    you just need to look at all the wars that have involved Islam

    have you looked at them?

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  • xAvarice
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    Originally posted by Stripe View Post
    Can you quote the passages where it does so?

    Can you quote the passages where it does so?

    Can you quote the passages where it does so?

    Didn't think so.
    I also answer my own questions before people can respond, it's the most reliable path to truth.

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  • Mulla Sadra
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    Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
    I am sure of the history of Islam
    How did you acquire sureness of the whole History of Islam ?

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  • chrysostom
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    Originally posted by Mulla Sadra View Post
    Are you sure about "all of above" as valid proofs for what you observed ?
    I am sure of the history of Islam
    and
    do not see any reason why it won't continue

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  • Mulla Sadra
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    Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
    all of the above
    Are you sure about "all of above" as valid proofs for what you observed ?

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  • chrysostom
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    Originally posted by Mulla Sadra View Post
    On which do you base your opinion, on your personal experience or out of self tools ?
    all of the above

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  • Mulla Sadra
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    Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
    that is all we have to go on
    but
    I have been in many countries that have a significant Muslim presence
    and
    I have been in their homes
    On which do you base your opinion, on your personal experience or out of self tools ?

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