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  • #76
    Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
    Poor Lighthouse, caught between an Agnostic and a Nonismatist.
    Are you saying you believe in christ but not christianity, or christianity but not christ?

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Dionyshish View Post
      Please clarify this.
      I did. It was the very next sentence in my post.

      Why??
      As a kid if you asked your parents for a sandwich and they gave you one, would you keep asking them for a sandwich?

      So everyone has got it wrong and you're right?
      The Bible says what it says. If people deny that it says what it says then, yes, they're wrong.

      One can know an awful lot about a t.v. show like Dr. Who and still not believe in time travel.
      Or aliens... people such as myself. I believe in neither aliens or time travel and I can still tell you an awful lot about Doctor Who. And I just started watching it at the end of 2009.

      Regardless, you've already made it clear that you don't know what the Bible says.

      It's me who should be (and am ) banging my head, what about the billions of people around the world who had died before the crucifixion and had never heard of judaism never mind a messiah?
      Do you really think God would just let them go without hearing of Him?

      Are you claiming that there weren't any good Europeans, Asians or Orientals?
      Good has nothing to do with it.

      And lets not forget the people of the New Worlds who weren't to hear about mono-theism for almost a millenium and a half after the crucifixion. How many of them died without salvation?
      You assume too much.

      Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
      Poor Lighthouse, caught between an Agnostic and a Nonismatist.
      What are you on about?
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      • #78
        Originally posted by Dionyshish View Post
        Are you saying you believe in christ but not christianity, or christianity but not christ?
        Maye a little of the former ... sorta ...

        The Theology of Nonismatism

        I created this term, Nonismatism, to fulfill my need for a word to briefly express my approach to the word of God that the English language lacked heretofore. Some have enquired as to it’s meaning. Like me, it is a work in progress, changing to accommodate my level of understanding as is needed. Though it is not as of yet entirely codified there are certain aspects of Nonismatism that may be pointed to with some modicum of confidence. To wit:

        Nonismatism firmly rejects any and all isms, denominational or otherwise, while reserving the right to agree with certain tenets of any of them.

        A Nonismatics' statement of faith is the Bible…………….. ALL of it.

        Nonismatism seeks to preserve and present the verses of scripture cast aside, contradictory to and otherwise unwanted by ismatic theologies.

        Nonismatism affirms the individual’s responsibility to come to an understanding of the word of God through their own sustained effort.

        Nonismatics see “the church” as a group of any two or more believers in Jesus and rejects the notion it is a physical or denominational structure.

        Nonismatism demands of it’s adherents that they be willing to cast aside any and all preconceived notions about the meaning of the word of God if the plain meaning of what they read of it requires it.

        Nonismatism holds that there are no contradictions in the word of God; only what appear to be contradictions to the mind of man.

        Nonismatics have no problem whatsoever saying, “I don’t know. I’ll study some and get back to you on that”. They are also encouraged to admit, “You might be right” if the occasion calls for it.

        Nonismatics hold that the answer to Cain’s question is, “Yes”.

        Nonismatics believe that “the Parable of the Talents” indicates that rather than stuff their talent down someone else’s throat that they are directed to go get more.

        Nonismatism holds that not everyone is at the same level of understanding of the word of God and that this is not necessarily a “hanging offense”.

        Nonismatism has only one Boss, the rest of us are servants……….ALL of us. There are no “chief seats” in Nonismatism.

        Nonismatics don’t tithe; they believe they owe it all.

        Nonismatism fully embraces both humor and irony as evidenced by the fact its adherents are fully aware that Nonismatism is, at the end of the day, yet another ism.


        If you feel that you too are a Nonismatist you are thereby empowered to add or subtract from its tenets as is necessary to accommodate your current level of understanding of the word of God. However, as with all isms, it is inevitable that Nonismatism will give birth to other competing isms such as Anti-Nonismatism, Ultranonismatism and the like. If you feel so inclined please strive to maintain the purity of Nonismatic thought and avoid such innovations.

        Love,

        fzappa13
        Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
          I did. It was the very next sentence in my post.
          I still don't get it: "The way Jesus taught to pray and the words He actually used are not the same thing."This is garbled, even when read with it's following sentence.

          He told people to pray for forgiveness and implored them to avow to forgive others.
          Surely his example of how to communicate with the father was not a short-term lesson?

          As a kid if you asked your parents for a sandwich and they gave you one, would you keep asking them for a sandwich?
          The next time I needed one, yes.
          And the lord's prayer states that humans should ask for forgiveness, and should always be prepared to forgive.

          The Bible says what it says. If people deny that it says what it says then, yes, they're wrong.
          If god told you to murder children and infants would you?

          Or aliens... people such as myself. I believe in neither aliens or time travel and I can still tell you an awful lot about Doctor Who. And I just started watching it at the end of 2009.
          Being from this side of the pond I've grown up with the Dr., but this does not make me more knowledgeable than you about time-travel.

          On the other hand aliens are very probable.
          Regardless, you've already made it clear that you don't know what the Bible says.
          I also grew up with the bible, and know much more about it than I do time travel or aliens.
          I also know that the bible has caused many arguments and deaths over how it should be interpreted.

          Do you really think God would just let them go without hearing of Him?
          How many had heard of Jehovah outside of Israel?
          Apart from Persia the rest of the world was polytheistic, animists etc., or a mixture.

          Good has nothing to do with it.
          So, all the Europeans who had never heard of christ (or jehovah), before the roman empire spread christianity are doomed, whether they were good people or not?

          You assume too much.
          The new worlds strangely enough were not monotheistic.

          Whether it was christ's contemporaries outside of the Middle East, or the lands still to be discovered, billions of people died before being exposed to chistianity or Jehovah.

          Were their souls condemned?
          Last edited by Dionyshish; February 6th, 2011, 05:57 PM.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
            Maye a little of the former ... sorta ...

            The Theology of Nonismatism

            I created this term, Nonismatism, to fulfill my need for a word to briefly express my approach to the word of God that the English language lacked heretofore. Some have enquired as to it’s meaning. Like me, it is a work in progress, changing to accommodate my level of understanding as is needed. Though it is not as of yet entirely codified there are certain aspects of Nonismatism that may be pointed to with some modicum of confidence. To wit:

            Nonismatism firmly rejects any and all isms, denominational or otherwise, while reserving the right to agree with certain tenets of any of them.

            A Nonismatics' statement of faith is the Bible…………….. ALL of it.

            Nonismatism seeks to preserve and present the verses of scripture cast aside, contradictory to and otherwise unwanted by ismatic theologies.

            Nonismatism affirms the individual’s responsibility to come to an understanding of the word of God through their own sustained effort.

            Nonismatics see “the church” as a group of any two or more believers in Jesus and rejects the notion it is a physical or denominational structure.

            Nonismatism demands of it’s adherents that they be willing to cast aside any and all preconceived notions about the meaning of the word of God if the plain meaning of what they read of it requires it.

            Nonismatism holds that there are no contradictions in the word of God; only what appear to be contradictions to the mind of man.

            Nonismatics have no problem whatsoever saying, “I don’t know. I’ll study some and get back to you on that”. They are also encouraged to admit, “You might be right” if the occasion calls for it.

            Nonismatics hold that the answer to Cain’s question is, “Yes”.

            Nonismatics believe that “the Parable of the Talents” indicates that rather than stuff their talent down someone else’s throat that they are directed to go get more.

            Nonismatism holds that not everyone is at the same level of understanding of the word of God and that this is not necessarily a “hanging offense”.

            Nonismatism has only one Boss, the rest of us are servants……….ALL of us. There are no “chief seats” in Nonismatism.

            Nonismatics don’t tithe; they believe they owe it all.

            Nonismatism fully embraces both humor and irony as evidenced by the fact its adherents are fully aware that Nonismatism is, at the end of the day, yet another ism.


            If you feel that you too are a Nonismatist you are thereby empowered to add or subtract from its tenets as is necessary to accommodate your current level of understanding of the word of God. However, as with all isms, it is inevitable that Nonismatism will give birth to other competing isms such as Anti-Nonismatism, Ultranonismatism and the like. If you feel so inclined please strive to maintain the purity of Nonismatic thought and avoid such innovations.

            Love,

            fzappa13
            You make some good points, but I must decline your invitation, as I am a fully paid-up member of the Antidisestablishantinonismatism League.

            This cybernet thingy works so quickly.

            Peace,

            'Shish.
            Last edited by Dionyshish; February 6th, 2011, 05:46 PM.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
              Maye a little of the former ... sorta ...

              The Theology of Nonismatism

              I created this term, Nonismatism, to fulfill my need for a word to briefly express my approach to the word of God that the English language lacked heretofore. Some have enquired as to it’s meaning. Like me, it is a work in progress, changing to accommodate my level of understanding as is needed. Though it is not as of yet entirely codified there are certain aspects of Nonismatism that may be pointed to with some modicum of confidence. To wit:

              Nonismatism firmly rejects any and all isms, denominational or otherwise, while reserving the right to agree with certain tenets of any of them.

              A Nonismatics' statement of faith is the Bible…………….. ALL of it.

              Nonismatism seeks to preserve and present the verses of scripture cast aside, contradictory to and otherwise unwanted by ismatic theologies.

              Nonismatism affirms the individual’s responsibility to come to an understanding of the word of God through their own sustained effort.

              Nonismatics see “the church” as a group of any two or more believers in Jesus and rejects the notion it is a physical or denominational structure.

              Nonismatism demands of it’s adherents that they be willing to cast aside any and all preconceived notions about the meaning of the word of God if the plain meaning of what they read of it requires it.

              Nonismatism holds that there are no contradictions in the word of God; only what appear to be contradictions to the mind of man.

              Nonismatics have no problem whatsoever saying, “I don’t know. I’ll study some and get back to you on that”. They are also encouraged to admit, “You might be right” if the occasion calls for it.

              Nonismatics hold that the answer to Cain’s question is, “Yes”.

              Nonismatics believe that “the Parable of the Talents” indicates that rather than stuff their talent down someone else’s throat that they are directed to go get more.

              Nonismatism holds that not everyone is at the same level of understanding of the word of God and that this is not necessarily a “hanging offense”.

              Nonismatism has only one Boss, the rest of us are servants……….ALL of us. There are no “chief seats” in Nonismatism.

              Nonismatics don’t tithe; they believe they owe it all.

              Nonismatism fully embraces both humor and irony as evidenced by the fact its adherents are fully aware that Nonismatism is, at the end of the day, yet another ism.


              If you feel that you too are a Nonismatist you are thereby empowered to add or subtract from its tenets as is necessary to accommodate your current level of understanding of the word of God. However, as with all isms, it is inevitable that Nonismatism will give birth to other competing isms such as Anti-Nonismatism, Ultranonismatism and the like. If you feel so inclined please strive to maintain the purity of Nonismatic thought and avoid such innovations.

              Love,

              fzappa13
              You make some good points but sadly I must reject your invitation as I'm a fully signed-up member of the Antidisestablishantinonismatism League.

              This cybernet thingy works very quickly.

              Peace,

              'Shish.
              Last edited by Dionyshish; February 8th, 2011, 01:47 AM.

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              • #82
                its weird on this forum..

                2 or 3 people carry on a conversation, excluding all others

                hmmm...

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by coulter4president View Post
                  its weird on this forum..

                  2 or 3 people carry on a conversation, excluding all others

                  hmmm...
                  Feel free to chip in whenever you want.
                  Lighthouse and I have differring opinions, so it would be quite easy for you to comment to either of us.
                  Alternatively you can reply to one of the many other posts on this thread.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by coulter4president View Post
                    its weird on this forum..

                    2 or 3 people carry on a conversation, excluding all others

                    hmmm...
                    It is not customary to offer your back to someone you want to dance with ...
                    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Dionyshish View Post
                      You make some good points but sadly I must reject your invitation as I'm a fully signed-up member of the Antidisestablishantinonismatism League.

                      This cybernet thingy works very quickly.

                      Peace,

                      'Shish.
                      Ouch ... apparently we won't be dancing any time soon either ... 'twas ever the fate of the unrequited ...
                      Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
                        .
                        As a kid if you asked your parents for a sandwich and they gave you one, would you keep asking them for a sandwich?


                        You are to analogies what Barney Fife is to law enforcement ... God help us if Andy ever gives you a bullet ...


                        ... said another way, I'm guessing you had something more than one sandwich growing up or you likely wouldn't be here ... and you probably asked for them ... just a guess ...
                        Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
                          Ouch ... apparently we won't be dancing any time soon either ... 'twas ever the fate of the unrequited ...
                          Don't worry, I'll save the last waltz for...




                          ... Halle Berry.

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