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  • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
    You think Jesus is powerful and honorable and has glory and to him only? GOOD! Now do what he says to do to get saved and stay saved.
    I did what He told me to do. He said, 'COME and I, JESUS, WILL GIVE YOU REST', so I OBEYED Him and I came to Him. The sad part is that I always encounter people such as, you, GT, that tells me that that is not what I was supposed to do.

    Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
    Stop being afraid, it is easy to do what Jesus says to do, and you will be glad for it.
    I used to be afraid when I was singing merrily going directly to hell because I was told by people like you that I had to do this, and somebody else told me I had to do that, etc. ad infinitum, UNTIL ONE DAY, He found me and He said, 'Come and I will give you my rest' and since then I have not been the same person I used to be BEFORE HE SAVED ME.

    No amount of MY WORKS can save me. If, MY WORKS could SAVE ME, Jesus would NOT have had to come down to die on a cruel cross so that He can bring me to Himself.

    Now, you, GT, keep on striving to save yourself, because you do NOT believe Jesus alone can save you. How sad!


    PS: Uppercase is NOT screaming. It is easier for emphasis.
    No man can come to God except through Christ. (Jn. 14:20)
    No man can come to Christ unless he comes through the Cross. (Jn. 3:16; Eph. 2:13–18)
    No man can come to the Cross without a denial of self. (Lk. 9:23–24)

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    • Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post

      I did what He told me to do. He said, 'COME and I, JESUS, WILL GIVE YOU REST', so I OBEYED Him and I came to Him. The sad part is that I always encounter people such as, you, GT, that tells me that that is not what I was supposed to do.



      I used to be afraid when I was singing merrily going directly to hell because I was told by people like you that I had to do this, and somebody else told me I had to do that, etc. ad infinitum, UNTIL ONE DAY, He found me and He said, 'Come and I will give you my rest' and since then I have not been the same person I used to be BEFORE HE SAVED ME.

      No amount of MY WORKS can save me. If, MY WORKS could SAVE ME, Jesus would NOT have had to come down to die on a cruel cross so that He can bring me to Himself.

      Now, you, GT, keep on striving to save yourself, because you do NOT believe Jesus alone can save you. How sad!


      PS: Uppercase is NOT screaming. It is easier for emphasis.
      Yep, she has a problem.
      He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

      Jim Elliot

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      • Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post

        What you do, GT, is to keep on trying to work your works so that GT can help the 'IT IS FINISHED' of Jesus to save you.
        It's God's works.


        Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post
        Jesus DOES NOT need your works TO SAVE YOU.
        Jesus says to do what he says or perish.


        Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post

        He wants you to BELIEVE THAT HE HAS THE POWER AND THE AUTHORITY to save you already. Salvation is TOTALLY and COMPLETELY from Jesus plus NOTHING ELSE. Him alone, by His power alone, by His authority alone.
        Jesus says his words are Spirit and life and you have to obey him to get the Spirit and have life.

        Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post

        According to you, GT, Jesus does not have the power nor the authority TO SAVE YOU because you, gt, say that you, gt, MUST DO WORKS so that you, gt, can help Jesus so that you, gt, give Him the authority and power, THROUGH YOUR WORKS, to save you.
        Jesus says plainly that you have to eat him.

        You better start eating.

        Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post

        Because you, gt, INSIST that you must work TO BE SAVED, you do not have the time to find out the WORKS THAT HAVE BEEN PREPARED FOR YOU by Jesus Himself to do AFTER He has saved you.
        Those works don't save. Those works are nice but don't save. Those works are having a dinner for the apostles and washing their clothes and other nice things when they come to your house. Those works don't save.

        The works we have to do to get saved are the same works we have to do after being saved.

        Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post
        Now, GT, you keep on striving with searching to do the works that WERE NOT prepared for YOU to do so that you can save yourself, because YOUR WORKS TO BE SAVED are rejected, exactly as would be mine.
        If you don't do what Jesus says to do to get saved, then you are not doing the works of God and then you are not eating him.
        Oh how I love the Word of God!

        Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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        • Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post

          I did what He told me to do. He said, 'COME and I, JESUS, WILL GIVE YOU REST', so I OBEYED Him and I came to Him.
          Jesus says those who labor/obey that he will give rest.

          And you were given SCRIPTURES that say we have to obey to get saved.

          Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post
          The sad part is that I always encounter people such as, you, GT, that tells me that that is not what I was supposed to do.
          You have been given many scriptures.
          Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post


          I used to be afraid when I was singing merrily going directly to hell because I was told by people like you that I had to do this, and somebody else told me I had to do that, etc. ad infinitum, UNTIL ONE DAY, He found me and He said, 'Come and I will give you my rest' and since then I have not been the same person I used to be BEFORE HE SAVED ME.
          Jesus gives you rest from doing his beautiful powerful words???

          Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post

          No amount of MY WORKS can save me. If, MY WORKS could SAVE ME, Jesus would NOT have had to come down to die on a cruel cross so that He can bring me to Himself.
          What on God's earth are you talking about?

          Jesus CAME to SAVE those FIRST who OBEY GOD.


          Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post

          Now, you, GT, keep on striving to save yourself, because you do NOT believe Jesus alone can save you. How sad!
          Jesus wouldn't have saved me if not doing what he says to do.
          Oh how I love the Word of God!

          Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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          • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
            Jesus says those who labor/obey that he will give rest.

            And you were given SCRIPTURES that say we have to obey to get saved.

            You have been given many scriptures.

            Jesus gives you rest from doing his beautiful powerful words???

            What on God's earth are you talking about?

            Jesus CAME to SAVE those FIRST who OBEY GOD.

            Jesus wouldn't have saved me if not doing what he says to do.
            You, GT, keep on striving to bring YOUR WORKS so that you, GT, can help Jesus finished work on the Cross of Calvary so that you can save yourself, because, YOU, GT, are saying vociferously that Jesus' FINISHED work on the Cross of Calvary is NOT enough TO SAVE YOU so YOU have to help Him so that you can save yourself. How sad!

            PS: Uppercase is NOT screaming. It is easier for emphasis.
            No man can come to God except through Christ. (Jn. 14:20)
            No man can come to Christ unless he comes through the Cross. (Jn. 3:16; Eph. 2:13–18)
            No man can come to the Cross without a denial of self. (Lk. 9:23–24)

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            • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
              It's God's works.

              Jesus says to do what he says or perish.

              Jesus says his words are Spirit and life and you have to obey him to get the Spirit and have life.

              Jesus says plainly that you have to eat him.

              You better start eating.

              Those works don't save. Those works are nice but don't save. Those works are having a dinner for the apostles and washing their clothes and other nice things when they come to your house. Those works don't save.

              The works we have to do to get saved are the same works we have to do after being saved.

              If you don't do what Jesus says to do to get saved, then you are not doing the works of God and then you are not eating him.
              YOU, GT, have NEVER done not even ONE work that God has prepared for you. You, GT, have been doing YOUR OWN WORKS and shoving it in God's face telling Him that Jesus' declarationg of 'IT IS FINISHED' work on the Cross of Calvary is NOT enough to SAVE YOU, and you, gt, have to help Jesus so that you can save yourself. How sad.

              PS: Uppercase is NOT screaming. It is easier for emphasis
              No man can come to God except through Christ. (Jn. 14:20)
              No man can come to Christ unless he comes through the Cross. (Jn. 3:16; Eph. 2:13–18)
              No man can come to the Cross without a denial of self. (Lk. 9:23–24)

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              • Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post

                You, GT, keep on striving to bring YOUR WORKS so that you, GT, can help Jesus finished work on the Cross of Calvary so that you can save yourself, because, YOU, GT, are saying vociferously that Jesus' FINISHED work on the Cross of Calvary is NOT enough TO SAVE YOU so YOU have to help Him so that you can save yourself. How sad!

                PS: Uppercase is NOT screaming. It is easier for emphasis.
                I'm a servant who does what my Lord and MASTER says to do.
                Oh how I love the Word of God!

                Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                • Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post

                  YOU, GT, have NEVER done not even ONE work that God has prepared for you. You, GT, have been doing YOUR OWN WORKS and shoving it in God's face telling Him that Jesus' declarationg of 'IT IS FINISHED' work on the Cross of Calvary is NOT enough to SAVE YOU, and you, gt, have to help Jesus so that you can save yourself. How sad.

                  PS: Uppercase is NOT screaming. It is easier for emphasis
                  I have done God's works for me and continue to work at it.
                  Oh how I love the Word of God!

                  Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                  • Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
                    “And we know that God causes everything to work together
                    for the good of those who love God and are called
                    according to his purpose for them.” (Romans 8:28)

                    These were predestined, called, justified, and glorified (8:29-30).

                    Those who truly love God obey Him by resisting temptations to sin!

                    “God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation.
                    Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God
                    has promised to those who love Him.” (James 1:12)

                    Believers who endure temptation:
                    ● love God
                    ● chose to be obedient to Jesus (see below)
                    ● will receive the crown of (eternal) life

                    “Temptation comes from our own desires,
                    which entice us and drag us away.
                    These desires give birth to sinful actions.
                    And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death.
                    So, don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters.” (James 1:14-16)

                    Believers who do NOT endure temptation:
                    ● will fall into habitual sin
                    ● will receive spiritual (eternal) death …
                    UNLESS they sincerely repent (stop their habitual sinning).

                    Those who really love Jesus obey Him
                    “Those who accept My commandments and obey them
                    are the ones who love Me.” (John 14:21)
                    “All who love Me will do what I say.” (John 14:23)
                    “Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me.” (John 14:24)
                    “When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love” (John 15:10)
                    “You are my friends, if you do what I command.” (John 15:14)

                    Who gets to heaven who does not love Jesus,
                    who is not His friend,
                    and who does not obey His commandments?

                    Slaves of sin -- OR -- slaves of obedience
                    “… if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,
                    you are slaves of the one whom you obey,
                    either (slaves) of sin which leads to (eternal) death, OR
                    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?” (Romans 6:16)


                    “… anyone who obeys my teachings will never die!” (John 8:51)

                    “if you want to receive eternal life,
                    keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17)

                    “So, you must live as God’s obedient children.” (1 Peter 1:14)


                    “Only those who fear the Lord and keep His commandments
                    have life with God. But there is NO (eternal) life in those
                    who do not keep His commandments.”

                    (from “The Shepherd of Hermas”, which was quoted as Scripture by early
                    Christian leaders such as Irenaeus, Origen, and Clement of Alexandria)
                    So do you believe its what man does that ensures his Salvation and not what Jesus did alone for men ?
                    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                    Charles Spurgeon !

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                    • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

                      No such thing what you are saying.
                      Jesus told someone to get him a donkey and since we aren't bringing him donkeys doesn't mean we are disobedient and now don't have to do anything, per your logic.

                      Matthew 21:2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an *** tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.
                      There are commandments that the disciples were supposed to teach us to obey:

                      Matthew 28:19-20
                      19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
                      20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

                      Learn to read what is written.

                      _____
                      The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                      ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                      • Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post
                        You CANNOT OBEY the one YOU do not BELONG TO.
                        You are mistaken about that.

                        Paul says you obey someone first then you become a servant of the one you obey.

                        Romans 6:16
                        Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?



                        Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post
                        PS: Uppercase is NOT screaming.
                        Uppercase is screaming.
                        Learn to read what is written.

                        _____
                        The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                        ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                        • Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post
                          You, GT, keep on striving to bring YOUR WORKS so that you, GT, can help Jesus finished work on the Cross of Calvary so that you can save yourself, because, YOU, GT, are saying vociferously that Jesus' FINISHED work on the Cross of Calvary is NOT enough TO SAVE YOU so YOU have to help Him so that you can save yourself. How sad!
                          There are a lot of twisted ideas present in your statement that show you do not understand the truth of salvation.

                          Let's see if I can untangle some of them.
                          Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post
                          You, GT, keep on striving to bring YOUR WORKS
                          This is in accordance with the teachings of Paul, so you need to stop being so contentious as to condemn it.

                          Romans 2:6-11
                          6 [God] will render to every man according to his deeds:
                          7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
                          8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
                          9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
                          10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
                          11 For there is no respect of persons with God.



                          Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post
                          Jesus finished work on the Cross of Calvary
                          The work Jesus finished on the cross was the work that God had assigned to Jesus to do to prove His obedience.

                          Philippians 2:8
                          8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.



                          Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post
                          you [...] can help Jesus [...] so that you can save yourself
                          No, God's Truth is not trying to help Jesus so she can save herself.
                          God's Truth is trying to walk worthy of God who has called her, like Paul commanded.

                          1 Thessalonians 2:11-12
                          11 As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children,
                          12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.



                          Originally posted by lifeisgood View Post
                          You [...] are saying [...] that Jesus' FINISHED work on the Cross of Calvary is NOT enough TO SAVE YOU
                          Salvation is only by grace (God's favor given to someone that pleases Him) through faith (the outward expression of an inward belief).

                          Ephesians 2:8-9
                          8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
                          9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.



                          You seem to be trying to convince people that Jesus doesn't care whether we strive to do what pleases God or whether we strive to do everything God hates.
                          But, Jesus Himself says that He does care.

                          Matthew 7:21
                          21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

                          Learn to read what is written.

                          _____
                          The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                          ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                          • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post

                            There are commandments that the disciples were supposed to teach us to obey:

                            Matthew 28:19-20
                            19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
                            20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
                            No. That is to Jesus' disciples during the laying of the foundation.

                            The foundation has been laid.
                            Oh how I love the Word of God!

                            Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                            • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                              You are mistaken about that.

                              Paul says you obey someone first then you become a servant of the one you obey.

                              Romans 6:16
                              Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?




                              Uppercase is screaming.
                              I agree with your first part but not about the screaming part. It is NOT screaming to capitalize. Even the Bible has capitalization sentences.
                              Oh how I love the Word of God!

                              Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                              • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                                There are a lot of twisted ideas present in your statement that show you do not understand the truth of salvation.

                                Let's see if I can untangle some of them.

                                This is in accordance with the teachings of Paul, so you need to stop being so contentious as to condemn it.

                                Romans 2:6-11
                                6 [God] will render to every man according to his deeds:
                                7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
                                8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
                                9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
                                10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
                                11 For there is no respect of persons with God.




                                The work Jesus finished on the cross was the work that God had assigned to Jesus to do to prove His obedience.

                                Philippians 2:8
                                8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.




                                No, God's Truth is not trying to help Jesus so she can save herself.
                                God's Truth is trying to walk worthy of God who has called her, like Paul commanded.

                                1 Thessalonians 2:11-12
                                11 As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children,
                                12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.




                                Salvation is only by grace (God's favor given to someone that pleases Him) through faith (the outward expression of an inward belief).

                                Ephesians 2:8-9
                                8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
                                9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.



                                You seem to be trying to convince people that Jesus doesn't care whether we strive to do what pleases God or whether we strive to do everything God hates.
                                But, Jesus Himself says that He does care.

                                Matthew 7:21
                                21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
                                Another one who says he needs to help Jesus' finished work on the Cross of Calvary to be saved.

                                Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                                Uppercase is screaming.
                                Not for me; therefore, the PS.
                                No man can come to God except through Christ. (Jn. 14:20)
                                No man can come to Christ unless he comes through the Cross. (Jn. 3:16; Eph. 2:13–18)
                                No man can come to the Cross without a denial of self. (Lk. 9:23–24)

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