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  • Right Divider
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    Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
    sorry , I'm only going to quote one verse that says salvation is a gift of God
    Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

    and some questions
    Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
    Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
    Just carefully note his use of scripture in the OP.

    Only Jesus speaking to His people and one of the twelve apostles for the twelve tribes of Israel (again... someone writing to His people.... ISRAEL).

    ZB is someone that cannot rightly divide the word of truth.

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  • ZacharyB
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    Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
    Eph 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
    Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
    2Co 5:5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
    It is always wise to understand what was written to whom.

    Ephesians and Colossians were written to "the faithful", not to the unfaithful.
    Please see Eph 1:1 and Col 1:2.
    You will notice that these 2 epistles are the ones ...
    with by far the most glorious descriptions of Christians and promises to Christians.
    And I have just given you the reason why.

    Not only that, but God can break any seal He wishes to!

    It is okay to progress out of Kindergarden Christianity
    where there is much milk-slurping going on ...
    to something a bit deeper.
    Last edited by ZacharyB; March 27th, 2019, 04:04 PM.

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  • way 2 go
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    Originally posted by steko View Post
    Yes! I am sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption of my body.

    The Holy Spirit applied to my life is GOD's promise and guarantee that He is going to complete what He started.
    I've read something like that somewhere


    Eph 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
    Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.


    2Co 5:5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

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  • steko
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    Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
    Do you really believe that once receiving the Spirit you are quaranteed salvation?

    Yes! I am sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption of my body.

    The Holy Spirit applied to my life is GOD's promise and guarantee that He is going to complete what He started.

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  • Ktoyou
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    Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
    Do you really believe that once receiving the Spirit you are quaranteed salvation?
    The NT makes it very clear that salvation is conditional, and that it is a process!
    You are ignoring and/or rejecting many warning NT verses!
    Do so at your peril.
    You fail to understand that salvation is at the end of all the process. It is the final step for one to be made right to receive the Holy Spirit.
    Mark 3:28-29, Matthew 12:31-32, and Luke 12:10

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  • Ktoyou
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    Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
    [B]
    I have available a full page of NT verses which prove that obedience is necessary for salvation!
    No matter how good you are and how you try to obey, you will never be worthy! Only by the work of Christ on the cross do you have salvation. You cannot do anything on your own to please God.

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  • ZacharyB
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    Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
    Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
    Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
    Do you really believe that once receiving the Spirit you are quaranteed salvation?
    The NT makes it very clear that salvation is conditional, and that it is a process!
    You are ignoring and/or rejecting many warning NT verses!
    Do so at your peril.

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  • way 2 go
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    Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
    Un oh. Guess he missed that little detail.
    I don't know how it's getting by him but it is.

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  • way 2 go
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    Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
    Can't you see that the verse applies to BOTH believers and unbelievers?
    It's a catch-all verse, which applies to everyone on the face of the earth.
    Does that include you? If not, which planet are you on?
    Glorydaze has always been way out there on Star #47297056206.


    "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral,
    doubling down

    you say this verse applies to believers and underline the contradiction unbelieving





    still didn't answer the questions

    Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
    Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

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  • ZacharyB
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    Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
    Revelation 21:8
    "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake
    which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."


    you say this verse applies to believers but underline unbelieving
    Can't you see that the verse applies to BOTH believers and unbelievers?
    It's a catch-all verse, which applies to everyone on the face of the earth.
    Does that include you? If not, which planet are you on?
    Glorydaze has always been way out there on Star #47297056206.

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  • glorydaz
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    Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
    you're the one not answering the questions

    Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
    Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?



    you say this verse applies to believers but underline unbelieving


    Un oh. Guess he missed that little detail.

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  • way 2 go
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    Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
    Your 2 questions are way beyond ludicrous
    for someone who's in the trouble you're in!
    you're the one not answering the questions

    Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
    Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

    Revelation 21:8
    "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."


    This verse applies to everyone, believers and unbelievers alike!
    I could explain who the cowardly are, but it would be a waste of time.
    I wonder how many in this fine list apply to you?
    you say this verse applies to believers but underline unbelieving


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  • ZacharyB
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    Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
    you didn't answer the questions
    Your 2 questions are way beyond ludicrous
    for someone who's in the trouble you're in!

    Revelation 21:8
    "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."


    This verse applies to everyone, believers and unbelievers alike!
    I could explain who the cowardly are, but it would be a waste of time.
    I wonder how many in this fine list apply to you?

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  • way 2 go
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    Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
    This wonderful free gift of God is given when the believer first receives the Holy Spirit.
    Then, the believer's process of salvation begins.
    However, it doesn't end until the believer dies.

    Isn't it reasonable to RECONCILE the so-called OSAS NT verses
    with all of those NT verses which teach against OSAS?
    Please, reconcile them instead of ignoring/rejecting the red!
    you didn't answer the questions
    Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
    Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

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  • ZacharyB
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    Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
    Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith.
    And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God
    This wonderful free gift of God is given when the believer first receives the Holy Spirit.
    Then, the believer's process of salvation begins.
    However, it doesn't end until the believer dies.

    Isn't it reasonable to RECONCILE the so-called OSAS NT verses
    with all of those NT verses which teach against OSAS?
    Please, reconcile them instead of ignoring/rejecting the red!

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