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  • ECT: An Error in the King James Version of the Bible

    According to the KJV the first day of the feast of unleavened bread preceded the passover:
    "Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?" (Mt.26:17; KJV).

    That cannot be right because the passover was on the 14th and the feast of unleavened bread was on the 15th:

    "These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread"
    (Lev.23:4-6).

    In the KJV at Matthew 26:17 the translators incorrectly added the word "feast."

    The Passover was a memorial to the night when the LORD passed over the blood stained houses in Egypt (Ex.12:13-14).

    The feast of unleavened bread was a memorial of the time when the Israelites were brought out of the land of Egypt (Ex.12:17).

    The Passover was celebrated on the 14th:

    "And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD"
    (Num.28:16).

    The feast of unleavened bread began on the next day, the 15th:
    "And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread" (Lev.23:6).

    So if words have any meaning then it is obvious that the first day of the feast of unleavened bread did not precede the passover so it is clear that the folllowing translation from the KJV is in error:

    "Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?"
    (Mt.26:17; KJV).

  • #2
    Here is a quote from the article I told you about:
    "Leviticus 23:6 indicates the fifteenth is the feast of unleavened bread. Notice that it DOES NOT SAY it is the FIRST day of unleavened bread. It only says “the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread.”

    Here is where Deuteronomy 16 helps us understand. Deut. 16:4 designates Passover as the “first day.” Deut.16:8 picks up after the discussion of the Passover itself in the preceding verses: “Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day shall be a solemn assembly to the Lord thy God…”

    It states that SIX days shall you eat unleavened bread. That is, Passover is the first day and then you keep six more for a total of seven. It further stipulates keeping the seventh day as a solemn assembly. We have already seen in Exodus and Leviticus that Passover is a holy convocation, Feast and also the first day of unleavened bread as confirmed here in Deut. 16:4. So, Deuteronomy 16 is saying the first day is the day you killed the Passover, keep six more and the last of those six, or the seventh of the TOTALITY, is also a solemn assembly or holy convocation.

    1 plus 6 equals 7. The first and last are holy convocations. Question: Why would Lev. 23:4-5 designate Passover as a Feast and then add the other six for a total of seven?"

    Here is an illustration I created to help you to see:


    The author in that article also said:
    "To fully understand the whole New Testament account, we must understand that Jesus and the disciples kept THE Passover on the 14th and the Jews kept their Passover a day later, the 15th."

    In other words, the Jews kept the Passover on the wrong day while Jesus and His disciples kept it on the correct day.

    Source used:
    http://www.ironsharpeningiron.com/pa...easthenson.htm
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jason0047 View Post
      Here is where Deuteronomy 16 helps us understand. Deut. 16:4 designates Passover as the “first day.” Deut.16:8 picks up after the discussion of the Passover itself in the preceding verses: “Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day shall be a solemn assembly to the Lord thy God…”
      Deutermony 16:2 uses the word "passover" in regard to the flock and the herd." The passover seder of the 14th was only in regard to the passover lamb. What is being described in verse 2 is the feast of unleavened bread. The Jews often referred to that seven day feast as the passover:

      "Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the passover" (Lk.22:1).

      Originally posted by Jason0047 View Post
      1 plus 6 equals 7.
      You are missing one day when unleavened bread was eaten with the meals:
      "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even" (Ex.12:18).

      14th--1
      15th--2
      16th--3
      17th--4
      18th--5
      19th--6
      20th--7
      21st--8

      That completely destroys your theory.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
        Deutermony 16:2 uses the word "passover" in regard to the flock and the herd." The passover seder of the 14th was only in regard to the passover lamb. What is being described in verse 2 is the feast of unleavened bread. The Jews often referred to that seven day feast as the passover:

        "Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the passover" (Lk.22:1).



        You are missing one day when unleavened bread was eaten with the meals:
        "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even" (Ex.12:18).

        14th--1
        15th--2
        16th--3
        17th--4
        18th--5
        19th--6
        20th--7
        21st--8

        That completely destroys your theory.
        No. You are not reading it right.

        Exodus 12:18 says, "ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even" (Ex.12:18).

        In other words, they ate unleavened bread UNTIL the 21st. Meaning, they stopped eating unleavened bread at the 21st.

        For example:
        This would be like Rick saying to Bob, "I want you to jump on one leg until the clock reaches 4:00PM." Bob would understand this to mean that he is to stop jumping on one leg when the time reaches 4:00PM.

        Also, a Jewish calendar day began with the EVENING.
        If you were to go back and look at my illustration in post #2, this will become clear.

        So the 21st at evening is the beginning of a Jewish calendar day. They were to eat unleavened bread up until that point in time.
        Last edited by Jason0047; March 13, 2019, 11:35 AM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jason0047 View Post
          No. You are not reading it right.

          Exodus 12:18 says, "ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even" (Ex.12:18).

          In other words, they ate unleavened bread UNTIL the 21st. Meaning, they stopped eating unleavened bread at the 21st.
          That is wrong:

          "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread" (Lev.23:5).

          They ate unleavened bread on the 14th (Ex. 12:18). Then beginning on the 15th and for the next seven days they ate unleavened bread.

          You are attempting to make the following two feasts the same one despite the fact that they were celebrated on consecutive days:

          "And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever" (Lev.12:13-14).

          That event happened IN Egypt. The following event happened when the children of Israel were brought out of Egypt:
          "And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever" (Ex.12:17).

          The feast in memory of the passover happened one day before the feast of unleavened bread but you have the passover feast happening on the same day as the feast of unleavened bread.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
            That is wrong:

            "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread" (Lev.23:5).

            They ate unleavened bread on the 14th (Ex. 12:18). Then beginning on the 15th and for the next seven days they ate unleavened bread.

            You are attempting to make the following two feasts the same one despite the fact that they were celebrated on consecutive days:

            "And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever" (Lev.12:13-14).

            That event happened IN Egypt. The following event happened when the children of Israel were brought out of Egypt:
            "And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever" (Ex.12:17).

            The feast in memory of the passover happened one day before the feast of unleavened bread but you have the passover feast happening on the same day as the feast of unleavened bread.
            You are refuting yourself here. If they ate unleavened bread on the Passover as you say, then that means that the first day of unleavened bread would be the Passover (technically speaking). The 15th was just A feast of unleavened bread. This was noted as being different from the Passover. But in the Passover, they still ate unleavened bread which means... the Passover is the 1st day of unleavened bread.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jason0047 View Post
              But in the Passover, they still ate unleavened bread which means... the Passover is the 1st day of unleavened bread.
              You are attempting to make the following two feasts the same one despite the fact that they were celebrated on consecutive days:

              "And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever" (Lev.12:13-14).

              That event happened IN Egypt. The following event happened when the children of Israel were brought out of Egypt:
              "And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever" (Ex.12:17).

              The feast in memory of the passover happened one day before the feast of unleavened bread but you have the passover feast happening on the same day as the feast of unleavened bread.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                You are attempting to make the following two feasts the same one despite the fact that they were celebrated on consecutive days:

                "And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever" (Lev.12:13-14).

                That event happened IN Egypt. The following event happened when the children of Israel were brought out of Egypt:
                "And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever" (Ex.12:17).

                The feast in memory of the passover happened one day before the feast of unleavened bread but you have the passover feast happening on the same day as the feast of unleavened bread.
                You are attempting to throw new stuff at me as a way to prove your point. You need to deal with what you said first. You said that Exodus they ate unleavened bread on the Passover. This is proof that it is the FIRST day of unleavened bread (just as the Scriptures say).
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jason0047 View Post
                  The 15th was just A feast of unleavened bread.
                  No, the 15th was the day after the passover of the 14th and here is what is said about the 15th:

                  "And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever"
                  (Ex.12:17).

                  You say that the feast of unleavened bread began on the 14th, the day of the passover:

                  "And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever"
                  (Lev.12:13-14).

                  The 14th was a feast which memorialized the passover IN EGYPT.

                  The next day, the 15th, was the feast of unleavened bread which was to memorialize the Israelites EXIT OUT OF Egypt.

                  You have the feast of unleavened bread beginning on the 14th, which was in memory of the passover IN EGYPT but the Scriptures plainly say that the feast of unleavened bread was to memorialize the Israel's EXIT OUT OF EGYPT.

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                  • #10
                    I am not interested in showing you something that you cannot see. It's not worth my time to keep showing you stuff in order for you to ignore it and or not get it. I can lead a horse to water, but I cannot force it to drink.

                    Anyways, may God bless you (even if we may disagree).
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jason0047 View Post
                      I am not interested in showing you something that you cannot see. It's not worth my time to keep showing you stuff in order for you to ignore it and or not get it. I can lead a horse to water, but I cannot force it to drink.
                      It is you who refuses to believe that according to Exodus 12:13-17 the passover feast was a day before the feast of unleavened bread. That is why you refuse to even address those verses.

                      The KJV translation here is in error because it has the first day of the feast of unleavened bread happening before the passover:[INDENT]
                      "Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?"
                      (Mt.26:17).

                      All you prove is an inability to understand that the passover was a feast in memory of the events which happened IN EGYPT while the feast of unleavened bread was in memory of the Israelites LEAVING EGYPT.

                      According to you the passover was in memory of the first day of the feast of unleavened bread which was to celebrate to Israelites EXIT OUT Of EGYPT.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                        It is you who refuses to believe that according to Exodus 12:13-17 the passover feast was a day before the feast of unleavened bread. That is why you refuse to even address those verses.

                        The KJV translation here is in error because it has the first day of the feast of unleavened bread happening before the passover:[INDENT]
                        "Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?"
                        (Mt.26:17).

                        All you prove is an inability to understand that the passover was a feast in memory of the events which happened IN EGYPT while the feast of unleavened bread was in memory of the Israelites LEAVING EGYPT.

                        According to you the passover was in memory of the first day of the feast of unleavened bread which was to celebrate to Israelites EXIT OUT Of EGYPT.
                        I am refusing to address the verses because you are refusing to address the problem that you presented to begin with.

                        You showed Scripture and admitted that the Israelites ate unleavened bread on the Passover.

                        So if this is true, this technically would be the FIRST day of unleavened bread.

                        Here is the verse just in case you forgot about it.

                        "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even." (Exodus 12:18).

                        The fourteenth day of the month at evening is the Passover. God says to the Israelite to eat unleavened bread on this day (the Passover).

                        This would technically be the 1st day of unleavened bread because they ate unleavened bread on the Passover day (i.e. the 14th).

                        Is Exodus 12:18 just another error in the King James?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jason0047 View Post
                          I am refusing to address the verses because you are refusing to address the problem that you presented to begin with.

                          You showed Scripture and admitted that the Israelites ate unleavened bread on the Passover.

                          So if this is true, this technically would be the FIRST day of unleavened bread.
                          The first day of unleavened bread was the first day of the feast period when unleavened bread was eaten with the meals. That happened on the 14th, which was a memorial to the day when the Lord passed over the blood stained houses in Egypt:

                          "And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever"
                          (Lev.12:13-14).

                          The first day of unleavrened bread was also the same day when they killed the passover lambs:
                          "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?" (Mk.14:12).

                          That was a memorial to the the day when the blood of the lambs was put on the homes of the Israelites while they were still IN EGYPT.

                          On the other hand, the feast of unleavened bread was in memorial to the day when the Israelites LEFT EGYPT:

                          "And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever" (Ex.12:17).

                          Anyone with the slightest bit of spiritual discernment can understand that the feast of unleavened bread was observed AFTER the feast of the passover.

                          But the KJV translation of the following vverse has the first day of the feast happening BEFORE the passover:

                          "Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?" (Mt.26:17; KJV).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                            The first day of unleavened bread was the first day of the feast period when unleavened bread was eaten with the meals. That happened on the 14th, which was a memorial to the day when the Lord passed over the blood stained houses in Egypt:

                            "And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever"
                            (Lev.12:13-14).

                            The first day of unleavrened bread was also the same day when they killed the passover lambs:
                            "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?" (Mk.14:12).

                            That was a memorial to the the day when the blood of the lambs was put on the homes of the Israelites while they were still IN EGYPT.

                            On the other hand, the feast of unleavened bread was in memorial to the day when the Israelites LEFT EGYPT:

                            "And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever" (Ex.12:17).

                            Anyone with the slightest bit of spiritual discernment can understand that the feast of unleavened bread was observed AFTER the feast of the passover.

                            But the KJV translation of the following vverse has the first day of the feast happening BEFORE the passover:

                            "Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?" (Mt.26:17; KJV).
                            First, you are not believing the Bible. Just read it and believe it. We should never try to correct God’s Word but you should let it correct you.

                            Second, Matthew 26:17 appears the same way in many other translations.

                            Three, your falsely assuming with no evidence in the text that another day transpired between the 1st day of unleavened bread and the preparing of the Passover in Matthew 26:17. The fact that they were preparing the Passover meant that it was already the Passover time. For why would you do Passover stuff if it was not the Passover?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jason0047 View Post
                              Three, your falsely assuming with no evidence in the text that another day transpired between the 1st day of unleavened bread and the preparing of the Passover in Matthew 26:17. The fact that they were preparing the Passover meant that it was already the Passover time. For why would you do Passover stuff if it was not the Passover?
                              The facts demonstrate that the children of Israel didn't even begin their journey to exit Egypt until the day after the passover:
                              "And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the morrow after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).

                              Their exit out of Egypt was on the 15th and that feast of unleavened bread was to celebrate their EXIT OUT OF EGYPT:

                              "And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever"
                              (Ex.12:17).

                              They were to observe the feast of unleavened bread on the "selfsame day" when they exited the land of Egypt.

                              The day they began their trip out of Egypt was the 15th and the day when they exited Egypt was on the 15th.

                              But you say that the feast of unleavened bread began on the 14th.

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