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  • #61
    Originally posted by tetelestai View Post
    You're MAD is a mess.
    You are MAD is a mess ? Learn your contractions, it's no wonder you can't read the Bible properly.


    Your Catholic based preterism founded by a catholic named Luis de Alcasar is a complete and total mess

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    • #62
      So are you saying that Jesus would have stoned the man and the woman to death if everything had been done according to how you think it should have been done?

      It's actually irrelevant BTW, because it was more of a theological trap, not an actual trial.
      Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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      • #63
        Originally posted by andyc View Post
        So are you saying that Jesus would have stoned the man and the woman to death if everything had been done according to how you think it should have been done?
        Answer the question. What was the main difference between adulterous David and the adulterous woman, as far as the Bible says?

        It's actually irrelevant BTW,
        Then stop asking irrelevant questions.
        "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
        Terence Mc Lean

        [most will be very surprised]


        Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
        By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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        • #64
          Originally posted by musterion View Post
          COULDN'T condemn her. Without the man present, He would have violated His own Law by condemning her.



          No it doesn't.
          Condemnation is not just death itself. To be condemned is the fact that her sin is unforgivable from a legal perspective. What you're implying is that her sin was not going to put her in a grave immediately, but she was still guilty and condemned by God through the law.

          No other christian sect on the planet is going to agree with you here because it is so monumentally insane. That's why at the start of this thread I warned everyone to get ready for the kind of nonsense you are merrily throwing up on our screens.

          The woman may have believed later. Maybe she didn't. We can't know.
          Believed what?

          There's no forgiveness of adultery under the law?

          But as far as what the Record DOES say, she appears to have gone away in unbelief. Relieved that she wasn't stoned, sure, and maybe convicted...but no indication she repented, so no indication that He forgave her.

          Sorry you don't like that that's what it says, but that's what it says.
          From your perspective, there was no possible hope of forgiveness. The penalty for adultery is death.
          Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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          • #65
            As with many true accounts throughout the OT as to what they often actually represent; it's rather obvious to me what the following, true account, also actually represents...

            John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

            What were the Ten Commandnents originally written with?

            Who is it the Law and the Prophets prophesy will one day lift himself up, or rise, to come and do some things prophesied of him?

            What is Jesus using to write on the ground the obvious list of each their sins with?

            Who does this adultress woman that He forgives represent?

            What adultress womean is it the Law and the Prophets prophesy the God of Israel will forgive of her sin of adultry one day?

            And what - oh never mind...the Mads know what I am going on about...

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            • #66
              Originally posted by andyc View Post
              Condemnation is not just death itself. To be condemned is the fact that her sin is unforgivable from a legal perspective. What you're implying is that her sin was not going to put her in a grave immediately, but she was still guilty and condemned by God through the law.

              No other christian sect on the planet is going to agree with you here because it is so monumentally insane. That's why at the start of this thread I warned everyone to get ready for the kind of nonsense you are merrily throwing up on our screens.



              Believed what?

              There's no forgiveness of adultery under the law?



              From your perspective, there was no possible hope of forgiveness. The penalty for adultery is death.

              Answer the question. What's the main difference between adulterous David and the adulterous woman, as far as what we know of each?

              You already know the answer. That's why you're not touching it.
              "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
              Terence Mc Lean

              [most will be very surprised]


              Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
              By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by musterion View Post
                How was David forgiven his adultery, murder, covetousness, etc?

                What's the one clear, Biblical difference between David and the adulterous woman?

                (and it isn't that David was a man or the king, either)
                See post 10.

                Knew that one would arrive on the screen eventually
                Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by musterion View Post
                  Answer the question. What's the main difference between adulterous David and the adulterous woman, as far as what we know of each?

                  You already know the answer. That's why you're not touching it.
                  Dealt with it before you even arrived
                  Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by andyc View Post
                    Dealt with it before you even arrived
                    Liar.

                    What was it we KNOW David did, that we do NOT know that woman did, and evidently didn't do?
                    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                    Terence Mc Lean

                    [most will be very surprised]


                    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Danoh View Post
                      Who does this adultress woman that He forgives represent?

                      What adultress womean is it the Law and the Prophets prophesy the God of Israel will forgive of her sin of adultry one day?

                      And what - oh never mind...the Mads know what I am going on about...
                      Well at least you're seeing that she was forgiven.
                      Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by musterion View Post
                        Liar.
                        See post 10.

                        Then apologize to me.
                        Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by andyc View Post
                          See post 10.

                          Then apologize to me.
                          Say it in one word. You know the word. Use it.

                          What did the woman not do, as far as the Text says?
                          "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                          Terence Mc Lean

                          [most will be very surprised]


                          Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                          By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by musterion View Post
                            How was David forgiven his adultery, murder, covetousness, etc?

                            What's the one clear, Biblical difference between David and the adulterous woman?

                            (and it isn't that David was a man or the king, either)
                            Depending on what may deem 'murder', David was guilty of something of such when he sent Bathsheba's husband to the front lines to die. Not only did he commit adultery, but he killed the husband to conceal it.

                            He did this to protect Bathsheba from the penalty of adultery, which is something rarely mentioned. God killed his son as retribution instead of putting them to death.

                            The reason God did this is remarkably simple, but also something Calvinist haters won't acknowledge

                            U n c o n d i t i o n a l
                            E l e c t i o n

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by musterion View Post
                              Vicarious lawkeeping is a lie.

                              If He kept the Law FOR us ("lived a perfect life on our behalf" as some say), rather than just dying for our sins and rising for our justification, then He Himself would need not have died since in effect no one would have broken the Law by virtue of His having kept it for us. We'd be absolved by His perfect lawkeeping and, thus freed, the Cross would have been pointless.
                              The perfect law keeping performed by Christ, was necessary for the legal imputation of His righteousness to our account.

                              His death dealt with our sin condition. (He was the "offering" presented to God)

                              His obedience under the Law was His Mediation as High Priest. (He officiated before God in our stead)

                              His blood shed ratified the New Covenant and finalized all performance thereof, forever.

                              You blaspheme the name of Jesus Christ when you claim all the above is a lie.
                              "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                              " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                              Gordon H. Clark

                              "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                              Charles Spurgeon

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by andyc View Post
                                Yeah, the law condemns adulterers and adulteresses.
                                When used lawfully.
                                What they were doing was not lawful.

                                We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
                                They already know monsters exist.
                                We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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