ECT Grace is unconditional but not universal

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Danoh

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However, if one, like you believes his past, present and futures sins are all forgiven in advance, why not sin? What have you to lose?

Though they do not lose the inheritance; they lose its reward.

What they sew now has an eternal impact on said reward then.

They also reap in the flesh; what they sew to the flesh in other ways.

The impact of the death in the flesh that God warned Adam of (impact of the bondage of corruption) is not to be mocked; it is real and in all its forms.

One might enjoy their breaking of driving speed limits; but severely negative physical consequences it has continued to be known to have.

There all that.

And then there is plain old gratitude for His unspeakable gift.

Grace motivation...
 

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Though they do not lose the inheritance; they lose its reward.

What inheritance?

What they sew now has an eternal impact on said reward then.

What reward?

They also reap in the flesh; what they sew to the flesh in other ways.

What does that mean?

The impact of the death in the flesh that God warned Adam of (impact of the bondage of corruption) is not to be mocked; it is real and in all its forms.

Death IN the flesh???

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One might enjoy their breaking of driving speed limits; but severely negative physical consequences it has continued to be known to have.

Again??? I don't follow you.

And then there is plain old gratitude for His unspeakable gift.

Which is nothing if one does not continue in Christ.
 

Nang

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However, if one, like you believes his past, present and futures sins are all forgiven in advance, why not sin? What have you to lose?

Forgiveness (grace) is continual in the life of a regenerated Christian. Justification is a fixed legal rendering, but sanctification is ongoing, thus a believer confesses his sins daily.

A truly born again soul anguishes against sinfulness. Where there is no active exercise of repentance, there is no evidence of salvation.

What is to lose? Credibility of witness and bringing shame upon the righteous name of Jesus Christ.
 

john w

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Where there is no active exercise of repentance, there is no evidence of salvation.

As you've been asked, over, and over, Nag-just how much repentance, is required, to be "proven" as one of "the elect." What evidence is needed-specifics-eternal destinies are at stake, toots.

How about we have a "look see" at your resume. How do we know you meet this " no active exercise of repentance, there is no evidence of salvation" bar?


A Muslim can have "active exercise of repentance" And?

And define this fuzzy....subjective...

active exercise of repentance

Let me guess: You know you are one of "the elect," because your lifestyle tells you so.
 

Nang

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As you've been asked, over, and over, Nag-just how much repentance, is required, to be "proven" as one of "the elect." What evidence is needed-specifics-eternal destinies are at stake, toots.

How about we have a "look see" at your resume. How do we know you meet this " no active exercise of repentance, there is no evidence of salvation" bar?


A Muslim can have "active exercise of repentance" And?

And define this fuzzy....subjective...

active exercise of repentance

Let me guess: You know you are one of "the elect," because your lifestyle tells you so.

You would not persist with this argument, if you had a clue about what true repentance is.
 

john w

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You would not persist with this argument, if you had a clue about what true repentance is.

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Like the kind of repentance Judas exhibited, Nag? Or the kind the LORD God exhibited?


Or perhaps this kind?:

"Any person who lives his life wrongly and does not repent of his sins, will be held responsible and judged for breaking God's laws and are justly consigned to death and hell. Sinners only receive what they have earned. Men reap what they sow."-Nag


=perverting the gospel of Christ

You made the "argument." Now, again, just how much repentance, is required, to be "proven" as one of "the elect." What evidence is needed-specifics-eternal destinies are at stake, toots.

How about we have a "look see" at your resume. How do we know you meet this " no active exercise of repentance, there is no evidence of salvation" bar?


A Muslim can have "active exercise of repentance" And?

And define this fuzzy....subjective...

active exercise of repentance
 
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Nang

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Witness, the...

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Like the kind of repetance Judas exhibited, Nag? Or the kind the LORD God exhibited?


Or perhaps this kind?:

"Any person who lives his life wrongly and does not repent of his sins, will be held responsible and judged for breaking God's laws and are justly consigned to death and hell. Sinners only receive what they have earned. Men reap what they sow."-Nag


=perverting the gospel of Christ

You made the "argument." Now, again, just how much repentance, is required, to be "proven" as one of "the elect." What evidence is needed-specifics-eternal destinies are at stake, toots.

How about we have a "look see" at your resume. How do we know you meet this " no active exercise of repentance, there is no evidence of salvation" bar?


A Muslim can have "active exercise of repentance" And?

And define this fuzzy....subjective...

active exercise of repentance

Repentance is not the same as human remorse, Johnny.

Repentance is a Godly ability to turn from sin, granted only by the grace of God: II Timothy 2:25; Acts 3:26, 5:31, 11:18

But then you have been given this answer before, but you do not have ears to hear . . .
 

Sonnet

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Forgiveness (grace) is continual in the life of a regenerated Christian. Justification is a fixed legal rendering, but sanctification is ongoing, thus a believer confesses his sins daily.

A truly born again soul anguishes against sinfulness. Where there is no active exercise of repentance, there is no evidence of salvation.

What is to lose? Credibility of witness and bringing shame upon the righteous name of Jesus Christ.

That can all be of a false religion that demands obedience, even acts of compasion, to itself. Ergo, not a good enough answer.

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal." 1 Corinthians 13:1 (KJV)
 

1Mind1Spirit

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Repentance is not the same as human remorse, Johnny.

Repentance is a Godly ability to turn from sin, granted only by the grace of God: II Timothy 2:25; Acts 3:26, 5:31, 11:18

But then you have been given this answer before, but you do not have ears to hear . . .

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Grosnick Marowbe

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There very certainly is. What I've said is the precise and exact exegetical truth of scripture, whether anyone understands it or not; and most won't and can't because they're English thinkers/speakers who can't divest themselves of their grammatical error-induced presuppostional perceptions.

Cognitive dissonance prevents you from seeing the conclusion.

Yeah, we have to watch out for those "English thinkers/speakers" They're just a bunch of babbling, incoherent Baboons, right PPS? They don't have the ABILITY to become a "Wordsmith" like you.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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God's Grace is offered to ALL of Humanity because, Christ took upon Himself, ALL of humanities sins. Past, present and future sins. However, only those who hear the Gospel and place their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior will reap the benefits of His death and resurrection.

Revelation 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

This speaks of those who died and had rejected Christ as their Savior. They are called: The Dead for good reason. They were not only physically dead but Spiritually dead as well. If you'll notice, they're being judged by their WORKS, not their sins. Why is that, you may ask, because Christ had paid the price for ALL of humanity, both those who would place their faith and those who would not. The unsaved will not end up in the Lake of Fire (eternal damnation) because of their sins, but because they rejected God's offer of salvation through Christ.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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I believe John was allowed to see the final Judgment of mankind as it took place. It wasn't a vision or a dream. He was witnessing the real event as it took place.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Those who heard the Gospel and became members of the Body of Christ will be judged for rewards not for condemnation/punishment. I believe the "Saved" will be rewarded by the Lord Jesus Christ, whereas, the "Unsaved" will be judged by God the Father.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Calvinism preaches that in order to become a child of God, one must first be "regenerated" then, receive "Saving Faith." This is false doctrine. They placed the horse before the cart. Satan is, no doubt the author of this false teaching. Humanity was created by God, having a "Free-will" to choose what they wanted to place their faith in. Calvinists don't believe in humanities free-will.
 
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