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  • Originally posted by Danoh View Post
    Yep, spoken like a true "faither."

    Never mind the following Basic, Three-Fold, Study Principle...

    Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that...

    1- they received the word with all readiness of mind, and...

    2 - searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 17:12...

    3 - Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

    In memory of Rom. 5: 6-8 - in each our stead.
    Danoh , would you even go as far as to accept the english language had no word for the translators to use to adequately describe the Greek word "pisteuo"? The Greek have pistis for the noun for Faith . The Greek have pisteuo for the corresponding verb . The English has no verb form for Faith .

    Can you recognize this one fact , that they had a word that we can't translate ?

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    • Originally posted by Faither View Post
      Danoh , would you even go as far as to accept the english language had no word for the translators to use to adequately describe the Greek word "pisteuo"? The Greek have pistis for the noun for Faith . The Greek have pisteuo for the corresponding verb . The English has no verb form for Faith .

      Can you recognize this one fact , that they had a word that we can't translate ?
      We differ on that much.

      I don't study a thing out from a supposed meaning in some dictionary somewhere.

      Admittedly, part of my reason is that I am well read; which means I have had a very, very wide exposure in actual, repeated practice, to where words actually get their meanings from - from how they are found being used by whom, in relation to what, in light of what, to whom, and so on.

      The result of all that being that I long ago learned to study a thing out in Scripture also, not through one word or another isolated from its whole - rather, to study a thing out within the whole that is the particular doctrine it is actually based on, and merely a part of.

      That...is my dictionary.

      Not Vine, not Greene, or whomever, rather, the Scripture's own, ever built-in dictionary, through how it too, ever makes use of all the above.

      This is so reliable - this built in concordant aspect of the Word of Truth that even if a passage had been translated "Therefore being justified by tomato" - that's right, I said "tomato" - nevertheless, that word "Therefore" helps clue me in, as to where else in the Scripture itself I might turn to for that "FORM of sound words" that had actually been intended.

      Look - either the Scripture is more than enough on its own, or it is not.

      I tend to believe the following assertion...

      2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

      The result, whenever I do "a word study"?

      Jeremiah 15:16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

      And you know what, many of us MADs are like that - able at the drop of a hat to just quote from all sorts of parts of the Scripture, stored up in the mentality of our soul, simply by reason of use, by reason of actual time in that actual Book, itself.

      Something our many opposers never notice, even as they forever remain stuck in their ever parroted conclusion that all we care about is Paul.

      How is it then that many of us are ever so very familiar with so much of the Scripture outside of Romans thru Philemon?

      You keep your Vine's - until you are fully persuaded in your own mind otherwise, Rom. 14:5.

      That is where you presently are.

      In memory of that o so ever glorious Cross in each our stead - that is...Romans 5: 6-8.

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      • Originally posted by Danoh View Post
        We differ on that much.

        I don't study a thing out from a supposed meaning in some dictionary somewhere.

        Admittedly, part of my reason is that I am well read; which means I have had a very, very wide exposure in actual, repeated practice, to where words actually get their meanings from - from how they are found being used by whom, in relation to what, in light of what, to whom, and so on.

        The result of all that being that I long ago learned to study a thing out in Scripture also, not through one word or another isolated from its whole - rather, to study a thing out within the whole that is the particular doctrine it is actually based on, and merely a part of.

        That...is my dictionary.

        Not Vine, not Greene, or whomever, rather, the Scripture's own, ever built-in dictionary, through how it too, ever makes use of all the above.

        This is so reliable - this built in concordant aspect of the Word of Truth that even if a passage had been translated "Therefore being justified by tomato" - that's right, I said "tomato" - nevertheless, that word "Therefore" helps clue me in, as to where else in the Scripture itself I might turn to for that "FORM of sound words" that had actually been intended.

        Look - either the Scripture is more than enough on its own, or it is not.

        I tend to believe the following assertion...

        2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

        The result, whenever I do "a word study"?

        Jeremiah 15:16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

        And you know what, many of us MADs are like that - able at the drop of a hat to just quote from all sorts of parts of the Scripture, stored up in the mentality of our soul, simply by reason of use, by reason of actual time in that actual Book, itself.

        Something our many opposers never notice, even as they forever remain stuck in their ever parroted conclusion that all we care about is Paul.

        How is it then that many of us are ever so very familiar with so much of the Scripture outside of Romans thru Philemon?

        You keep your Vine's - until you are fully persuaded in your own mind otherwise, Rom. 14:5.

        That is where you presently are.

        In memory of that o so ever glorious Cross in each our stead - that is...Romans 5: 6-8.
        Thanks for sharing the insight on some of your personal side . Quite refreshing . I think we could possibly have a discussion about Faith if we left out the personal attacks or ribbing . I won't mention it again , but i have seen a change in you , not sure why , but it could open a door to something special .

        With that said , i didn't see a complete answer to my question . Do you acknowledge that the English language doesn't have a verb form of the noun Faith like the Greek does?

        And , your analogy of me is missing one thing . I've done what i'm sharing with you and have experienced what happens . that , i can't use to try and persuade you for Spiritual reasons that would impact your chance at the same experience . I basically accidentally did what i'm sharing , and it turned out to be exactly what Scripture teaches us , thus , when i saw the Vines definition , i could discern it was correct . I didn't just one day decide to build an understanding on the Vines definition of a Greek word i pulled out of my hat .

        With that experience good or bad at this point in my life , comes a great responsibility to be the watchman God tells us to be . It's hard to walk away from someone like yourself who seemingly has that mandatory strong drawing by the Father to know Christ better . I've always tried to find a starting place with you to get real , but it can't be in Scripture where you don't know if it's mine yet and i don't know if it's yours yet . The only real place to begin correctly is how we can make Christ and the Scriptures ours . Thats where i understand "pisteuo" to come into the picture for the first and primary time . If we can't find a understanding to agree on , there , outside of His word first , we will just go in circles beating each other up .

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        • [QUOTE=Faither;5155862]
          Because "in Christ" i judge all things and am under no mans judgement .
          Yes. I do the same thing.

          What that means is , because i have the Spirit of Christ in me and i am in Him , anything i see or hear is automatically discerned not by me but the Spirit in me . It's not even something that is under the control of someone in this state . Now , that is specifically a temporary judgement "NOT" an eternal judgement . That is why i always end my statements with the word "yet".
          Yes. I feel the same way and "yet" you are still here. What that means is: All you write is really all about you and your "experience[s]" and how if other folk have an experience different from yours they are not "In Christ". and have no understanding of the scriptures. Nothing more.

          Because you do not know the correct way to Faithe into Christ , you more than likely can't have His Spirit "yet". Temporary , something that can be changed if you can find a way to humble yourself , instead of trying to kill the messenger .
          There ya go again with your "unlearned" thinking . . not "realizing" what you are talking about and from whence your willful ignorance originated..

          The Spirit of Christ can be put into a faither without them knowing they are fulfilling pisteuo correctly , i'm one of those . Because i've already told you the truth about pisteuo , it will probably be more difficult in some ways , but easier in others . But your so *pissed at me , i think you'll probably just self destruct .
          And all along you have everyone thinking it is an experience when, by your own admission, it isn't but a feeling that some ancient words of wisdom-"light" has taken hold of you. I got news for you, Bunk. Better check the source of that 'light', that so called, 'wisdom'..

          I'm making an extra effort with you here , a watchman should always do that .
          Spare me your condecension. Don't patronize me. You have nothing I desire nor are you able to explain yourself using words, Greek or otherwise.
          [*]Gracious, regenerated, Gene Scott speak, I suppose?

          Obedience to God notwithstanding, I don't believe you have any interest in the death of Jesus Christ and what it accomplished as the actual starting point for understanding why you are still able to breath. . . Ah, the simplicity of the Gospel. But then, who is worthy enough for admission into Faither's club?
          Last edited by Cross Reference; December 23rd, 2017, 07:47 AM.
          "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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          • Originally posted by Faither View Post
            My opinions or personal feelings are not part of the OP . They are facts from Gods Word , (the use of the Greek word pisteuo) and the Vines Greek dictionarys definition of said word . My understanding that i've put out there to be tested by someone i hope is how we apply this word into everyday life .

            I'll post it again for you to re-read .
            faither,


            I strongly suggest that you reexamine your faith.

            Do you know that Jesus says we know them by their fruit?

            how do you read this Jesus' word?

            blessings.

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            • Originally posted by meshak View Post
              faither,


              I strongly suggest that you reexamine your faith.

              Do you know that Jesus says we know them by their fruit?

              how do you read this Jesus' word?

              blessings.

              Ok Meshak , tell me what to do ! I've presented what i know you should do and you obviously don't agree . So replace my understanding with a better one , thats how it works .

              Tell me meshak , how do i apply Faith?

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              • [QUOTE=Cross Reference;5156224]
                Originally posted by Faither View Post

                Yes. I do the same thing.



                Yes. I feel the same way and "yet" you are still here. What that means is: All you write is really all about you and your "experience[s]" and how if other folk have an experience different from yours they are not "In Christ". and have no understanding of the scriptures. Nothing more.



                There ya go again with your "unlearned" thinking . . not "realizing" what you are talking about and from whence your willful ignorance originated..



                And all along you have everyone thinking it is an experience when, by your own admission, it isn't but a feeling that some ancient words of wisdom-"light" has taken hold of you. I got news for you, Bunk. Better check the source of that 'light', that so called, 'wisdom'..



                Spare me your condecension. Don't patronize me. You have nothing I desire nor are you able to explain yourself using words, Greek or otherwise.
                [*]Gracious, regenerated, Gene Scott speak, I suppose?

                Obedience to God notwithstanding, I don't believe you have any interest in the death of Jesus Christ and what it accomplished as the actual starting point for understanding why you are still able to breath. . . Ah, the simplicity of the Gospel. But then, who is worthy enough for admission into Faither's club?
                Let me ask you a question about the movie "the passion of the Christ "? Did you see it ?

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                • Originally posted by Faither View Post
                  Ok Meshak , tell me what to do ! I've presented what i know you should do and you obviously don't agree . So replace my understanding with a better one , thats how it works .

                  Tell me meshak , how do i apply Faith?
                  I go one by one.

                  What is Christianity all about?

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                  • Originally posted by meshak View Post
                    I go one by one.

                    What is Christianity all about?
                    One by one ? What does that mean ?

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                    • Originally posted by Faither View Post
                      One by one ? What does that mean ?
                      One question at a time.

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                      • Originally posted by meshak View Post
                        One question at a time.
                        Come on Meshak , quit playing ! Tell me how to apply a NT saving Faith that will connect me to our creator . Ask any questions .

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                        • Originally posted by Faither View Post
                          Come on Meshak , quit playing ! Tell me how to apply a NT saving Faith that will connect me to our creator . Ask any questions .
                          Ok, I just want show you that you don't seem to know the basic of Christianity.

                          I have already told you my perspective of what is saving faith is but you did not accept it.


                          So it is my turn to ask you questions about your faith.

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                          • Originally posted by meshak View Post
                            Ok, I just want show you that you don't seem to know the basic of Christianity.

                            I have already told you my perspective of what is saving faith is but you did not accept it.


                            So it is my turn to ask you questions about your faith.
                            Basic Christianity ? been studying it for 30 years , it's part of my bone marrow . If you have a better understanding , i'm willing to answer any question you want to ask to know Him better .

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                            • Originally posted by meshak View Post
                              Ok, I just want show you that you don't seem to know the basic of Christianity.

                              I have already told you my perspective of what is saving faith is but you did not accept it.


                              So it is my turn to ask you questions about your faith.
                              Refresh my mind on what you think saving Faith is , please .

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                              • Originally posted by Faither View Post
                                Refreash my mind on what you think saving Faith is , please .

                                It is simple, accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior by striving to be true to Jesus and His teachings or commandments.

                                Now answer my question please.

                                thanks.

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