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  • ECT: These signs will follow them who believe.

    These signs will follow them who believe

    Contra wise, these signs will NOT follow THEM who do not believe.

    Notice the THEM.

    The Lord said these things. It is wrong to countermand His words, in fact it is a criminal act of treason against Heaven.

    Throughout the last 2000 years God has done miraculous things among His true followers. There are countless thousands of testimonies out there of this fact as well as some of our own.

    Such stupid arguments like asking if we have drank poison deliberately, are of the same mind as those who handle snakes deliberately, which is a breaking of the commandment not to temp God.

    Only those with NO testimony of the miraculous in their life would argue against the Lords words.

    Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
    Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
    Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
    Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
    Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
    Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

    LA
    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    These signs will follow them who believe

    Contra wise, these signs will NOT follow THEM who do not believe.

    Notice the THEM.

    The Lord said these things. It is wrong to countermand His words, in fact it is a criminal act of treason against Heaven.

    Throughout the last 2000 years God has done miraculous things among His true followers. There are countless thousands of testimonies out there of this fact as well as some of our own.

    Such stupid arguments like asking if we have drank poison deliberately, are of the same mind as those who handle snakes deliberately, which is a breaking of the commandment not to temp God.

    Only those with NO testimony of the miraculous in their life would argue against the Lords words.

    Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
    Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
    Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
    Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
    Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
    Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

    LA
    Amen!
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    • #3

      And another Amen!

      This type of belief/faith/trust in the Lord ...
      is exactly what will be required of the true believer
      in these last days to make it through!

      Get prepared spiritually.
      "For as many as are being LED by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." Romans 8:14
      To gain salvation, a BAC must be willing to co-operate with the Holy Spirit in removing sin.
      E.G. No BAC will be saved who has unforgiveness, or ANY unrepented-of habitual sin in his life.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
        These signs will follow them who believe

        Contra wise, these signs will NOT follow THEM who do not believe.

        Notice the THEM.

        The Lord said these things. It is wrong to countermand His words, in fact it is a criminal act of treason against Heaven.

        Throughout the last 2000 years God has done miraculous things among His true followers. There are countless thousands of testimonies out there of this fact as well as some of our own.

        Such stupid arguments like asking if we have drank poison deliberately, are of the same mind as those who handle snakes deliberately, which is a breaking of the commandment not to temp God.

        Only those with NO testimony of the miraculous in their life would argue against the Lords words.

        Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
        Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
        Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
        Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
        Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
        Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

        LA
        1.Deception. You've been shown, for years, the purpose of the sign gifts of the Holy Ghost, divers miracles, wonders,.... that is, they confirmed that the one with the message was speaking God's message, confirmed that their word, was the LORD God's word, that the messenger was approved by the LORD God, to speak His word...

        "confirming the word...............approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs,"


        ...whether it be a believer, or, in most cases, an apostle, since the "canon" of the scripture, as evidence, had not been completed.


        Mark 16 KJV
        20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

        John 20 KJV
        30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

        31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

        Acts 2 KJV
        22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

        Acts 2 KJV
        43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.



        Acts 5 KJV
        12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.


        Acts 14 KJV
        3 Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.


        Romans 15 KJV
        19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.



        2 Corinthians 12 KJV
        12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.


        Hebrews 2 KJV

        3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
        4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?




        2."The Lord said these things. It is wrong to countermand His words, in fact it is a criminal act of treason against Heaven."-Lazy




        Deception. Yes, the Lord Jesus Christ, said many things, while on earth. By that "argument," "The Lord said these things...His words.."-Sell all you have, go to the temple, go to Jerusalem, 3 times/year, to keep the appointed feasts, offer the gift that Moses commanded.......................=keep the law.

        Of course, since you "argue" that all of the book is about you...

        "Contra wise, these signs will NOT follow THEM who do not believe.

        Notice the THEM."-Lazy

        ...as you are "THEM," and that all of the book's orders are specifically about you, for your obedience, you put people under the law, and apply all of the book's passages re. signs, raising the dead....................................to yourself, and, in deception, explain away, craftily dismissing, your inability to perform these miracles and wonders and signs and mighty deeds, today, in this dispensation of the grace of God, with..


        "Such stupid arguments like asking if we have drank poison deliberately, are of the same mind as those who handle snakes deliberately, which is a breaking of the commandment not to temp God."-Lazy

        How convenient. That is what all these con artist, "Big Top" "Entertainment Tonight" comedy acts, like TBN("The Devil's Broadcasting Network"), CBN, Daystar, ...and their circus promoters/charlatans, use to justify not being able to make the blind see, the lame walk(despite spin to the contrary), limbs grow, raise the dead................

        Back to Pentecost!!!!!!!!!!!!!...they cry...Pahraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaze Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd!! Pahraaaaaaaaaaze Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus!!!!!!! And, of course, the "closer," deceptively, as is their MO, applying 1 Chronicles 16:22 KJV, and Psalms 105:15 KJV, to themselves:

        Don't criticize God's anointed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Charlatans....every last one of them.

        By that deceptive "argument," you can "justify" anything, and stuff your this is "tempting God" sophistry.

        An unbeliever to Lazy, after Lazy(allegedly) preaches to him/her, today:How do I know that you are approved of God, that your message is from God, that you are an apostle?

        Lazyon't tempt God!!!!!!!!!!!


        Deceit. Sophistry. That is not the context of the command not to "temp God."

        By this deceit, Lazy's "Contra wise, these signs will NOT follow THEM who do not believe" means NADA, as there would be no way to distinguish a believer, from a non believer, as,of course, we would not want to "temp God."


        EOT. RIP. DOA.


        DPOTM(Dispensational Post Of The Month).
        Saint John W

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        • #5
          Originally posted by john w View Post
          1.Deception. You've been shown, for years, the purpose of the sign gifts of the Holy Ghost, divers miracles, wonders,.... that is, they confirmed that the one with the message was speaking God's message, confirmed that their word, was the LORD God's word, that the messenger was approved by the LORD God, to speak His word...

          "confirming the word...............approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs,"


          ...whether it be a believer, or, in most cases, an apostle, since the "canon" of the scripture, as evidence, had not been completed.


          Mark 16 KJV
          20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

          John 20 KJV
          30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

          31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

          Acts 2 KJV
          22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

          Acts 2 KJV
          43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.



          Acts 5 KJV
          12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.


          Acts 14 KJV
          3 Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.


          Romans 15 KJV
          19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.



          2 Corinthians 12 KJV
          12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.


          Hebrews 2 KJV

          3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
          4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?




          2."The Lord said these things. It is wrong to countermand His words, in fact it is a criminal act of treason against Heaven."-Lazy




          Deception. Yes, the Lord Jesus Christ, said many things, while on earth. By that "argument," "The Lord said these things...His words.."-Sell all you have, go to the temple, go to Jerusalem, 3 times/year, to keep the appointed feasts, offer the gift that Moses commanded.......................=keep the law.

          Of course, since you "argue" that all of the book is about you...

          "Contra wise, these signs will NOT follow THEM who do not believe.

          Notice the THEM."-Lazy

          ...as you are "THEM," and that all of the book's orders are specifically about you, for your obedience, you put people under the law, and apply all of the book's passages re. signs, raising the dead....................................to yourself, and, in deception, explain away, craftily dismissing, your inability to perform these miracles and wonders and signs and mighty deeds, today, in this dispensation of the grace of God, with..


          "Such stupid arguments like asking if we have drank poison deliberately, are of the same mind as those who handle snakes deliberately, which is a breaking of the commandment not to temp God."-Lazy

          How convenient. That is what all these con artist, "Big Top" "Entertainment Tonight" comedy acts, like TBN("The Devil's Broadcasting Network"), CBN, Daystar, ...and their circus promoters/charlatans, justify not being able to make the blind see, the lame walk(despite spin to the contrary), limbs grow, raise the dead................

          Back to Pentecost!!!!!!!!!!!!!...they cry...Pahraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaze Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd!! Pahraaaaaaaaaaze Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus!!!!!!! And, of course, the "closer:"

          Don't criticize God's anointed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Charlatans....every last one of them

          By that deceptive "argument," you can "justify" anything, and stuff your this is "tempting God" sophistry.

          An unbeliever to Lazy, after Lazy(allegedly) preaches to him/her, today:How do I know that you are approved of God, that your message is from God, that you are an apostle?

          Lazyon't tempt God!!!!!!!!!!!


          Deceit. Sophistry. That is not the context of the command not to "temp God."

          By this deceit, Lazy's "Contra wise, these signs will NOT follow THEM who do not believe" means NADA, as there would be no way to distinguish a believer, from a non believer, as,of course, we would not want to "temp God."


          EOT. RIP. DOA.
          Excellentamundo, MAD wacko.
          Originally posted by Interplanner
          They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
          Originally posted by Interplanner
          You're too literal to get it.
          Originally posted by Interplanner
          The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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          • #6
            Those who actually had the miraculous sign gifts wouldn't need to talk about them.
            "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
            Terence Mc Lean

            [most will be very surprised]


            Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
            By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SaulToPaul View Post
              Excellentamundo, MAD wacko.
              Thanks! Even though you are a Breenite, you may yet become my 9th Facebook friend, brother STP. But, what's your hurry?
              Saint John W

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
                These signs will follow them who believe

                Contra wise, these signs will NOT follow THEM who do not believe.

                Notice the THEM.

                The Lord said these things. It is wrong to countermand His words, in fact it is a criminal act of treason against Heaven.

                Throughout the last 2000 years God has done miraculous things among His true followers. There are countless thousands of testimonies out there of this fact as well as some of our own.

                Such stupid arguments like asking if we have drank poison deliberately, are of the same mind as those who handle snakes deliberately, which is a breaking of the commandment not to temp God.

                Only those with NO testimony of the miraculous in their life would argue against the Lords words.

                Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
                Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
                Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
                Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
                Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
                Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

                LA
                Well done!

                The figure of speech ellipsis (intentional omission of a word or words, the intent is that we look closer at that passage to see God's intent) is an important factor in rightly dividing Mark 16:18, as a figure of speech, the passage is no longer a literal passage, but figurative.

                Mark 16:18 KJV

                They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

                We see the word "if" before the phrase "they drink any deadly thing"

                that if is omitted by the figure of speech ellipsis from in front of the phrase, " they shall take up serpents" to emphasize the high degree of protection that is made available, if they were to take up a serpent accidentally or unawares as did Paul on the island of Melitta Acts 28:1-6

                Clearly, the apostle Paul was one of the believers that signs followed.

                Even though he took up a serpent, clearly unawares, and was bitten by it, God protected him.

                That is God's protection because of God's love. Paul understood the meaning of being a more than conqueror. Romans 8:37-39 KJV

                Paul experienced God's loving protection

                Likewise, he spoke in tongues, healed others, cast out devil spirits...
                "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

                "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

                Pro scripture = Protestant

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
                  Well done!

                  The figure of speech ellipsis (intentional omission of a word or words, the intent is that we look closer at that passage to see God's intent) is an important factor in rightly dividing Mark 16:18, as a figure of speech, the passage is no longer a literal passage, but figurative.

                  Mark 16:18 KJV

                  They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

                  We see the word "if" before the phrase "they drink any deadly thing"

                  that if is omitted by the figure of speech ellipsis from in front of the phrase, " they shall take up serpents" to emphasize the high degree of protection that is made available, if they were to take up a serpent accidentally or unawares as did Paul on the island of Melitta Acts 28:1-6

                  Clearly, the apostle Paul was one of the believers that signs followed.

                  Even though he took up a serpent, clearly unawares, and was bitten by it, God protected him.

                  That is God's protection because of God's love. Paul understood the meaning of being a more than conqueror. Romans 8:37-39 KJV

                  Paul experienced God's loving protection

                  Likewise, he spoke in tongues, healed others, cast out devil spirits...
                  Amen, but why say Mark 16:18 is a figure of speech?
                  "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
                    These signs will follow them who believe

                    Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
                    Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
                    Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
                    Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
                    Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
                    Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

                    LA
                    If this is written TO anyone today, we wouldn't need hospitals! What in the world are you doing here on TOL, LA?! You claim it as written TO you so get on down there to your local infirmary and GET TO WORK!

                    Nurses, doctors, hospice care workers: Quit your jobs! LA has it all covered!



                    LOL
                    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

                    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
                      Amen, but why say Mark 16:18 is a figure of speech?
                      Because being bitten be poisonous snakes, drinking bad water with no harm and instantly healing sick strangers can't be faked like tongues and demon casting. It's a weaselly excuse for Pentecostals who don't REALLY believe ALL of what Christ promised. They make Him a liar.
                      "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                      Terence Mc Lean

                      [most will be very surprised]


                      Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                      By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
                        Amen!
                        Is that why you have never prayed for spontaneous combustion or over a blown out tire?
                        Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                        Titus 1

                        For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                        Ephesians 5

                        11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
                          Amen, but why say Mark 16:18 is a figure of speech?
                          The use of the figure of speech ellipsis in Mark 16:18 needs to be recognized if we are to rightly divide that passage

                          The ellipsis is the intentional omission of the word "if" in the first phrase.

                          The word "if" could have been included in "if they shall take up serpents"

                          However, for those who wish to argue with sound doctrine, neither including nor excluding the word "if" would have made any difference.

                          The gainsayers would have simply assumed that "if they (intentionally) took up serpents"

                          Where as it is clear that we are not to tempt God by putting ourselves in unwarranted dangerous situations. There is no reason to take risks when we are not our own, we were purchased, redeemed by God in Christ

                          We have no right to damage God's purchased possessions, ourselves
                          "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

                          "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

                          Pro scripture = Protestant

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
                            The use of the figure of speech ellipsis in Mark 16:18 needs to be recognized if we are to rightly divide that passage

                            The ellipsis is the intentional omission of the word "if" in the first phrase.

                            The word "if" could have been included in "if they shall take up serpents"

                            However, for those who wish to argue with sound doctrine, neither including nor excluding the word "if" would have made any difference.

                            The gainsayers would have simply assumed that "if they (intentionally) took up serpents"

                            Where as it is clear that we are not to tempt God by putting ourselves in unwarranted dangerous situations. There is no reason to take risks when we are not our own, we were purchased, redeemed by God in Christ

                            We have no right to damage God's purchased possessions, ourselves
                            OK, but I didn't pick that up the first time around. I agree.
                            "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Nick M View Post
                              Is that why you have never prayed for spontaneous combustion or over a blown out tire?
                              Nope. Ever pray for God's guidance?
                              "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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