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  • PneumaPsucheSoma
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    Originally posted by radind View Post
    The following is from a non-Biblical source, but I find this fascinating.
    I can address every facet of this, exegetically and lexically. It takes a minute, though. LOL.

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  • PneumaPsucheSoma
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    Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
    Philosophy and science have occasionally been bedfellows over the years a little more often than it's otherwise separate adherents would care to admit.

    Myself and PPS had a ton of fun with the supposedly heliocentric nature of our solar system and the various theories concerning gravity. The lines between ideologue/ religious zealot and rational rhetorician quickly blurred. A pity the thread didn't survive the last site purge.
    On that topic... There is no Empirical means of determining Heliocentrism or Geocentrism (or Globular versus Flat Earth) without basing the outcome on the presuppositional input. The math works either way. The kinematics (movements) are the same, and dynamics (forces) are defined relative to preferred references.

    My issue is propagandized manipulation and indoctrination from Naturalism by Atheistic Secularists. When professing Believers embrace absolutes beyond their scope of personal understanding, there's a problem.

    I don't know whether the earth is flat or round, or whether the earth system is geo- or helio- centric. I also know no one else knows, but Empiricism-driven culture and societal constructs have demanded everyone take one adamant position that they have been given by established "authorities".

    That makes me trend toward the opposite of whatever the status quo demands, even it's only a 51% tie-breaker as pre-ponderance of the evidence as "more likely than not".

    Unless and until someone proves unequivocally and non-anecdotally that the earth is spherical and the earth system is heliocentric, I will not acquiesce. I've physically observed farther than the earth's purported curvature would allow, so someone's going to have to explain a lot with more than regurgitated anecdotes.

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  • fzappa13
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    Originally posted by steko View Post
    Over time, the system gets burdened with data and periodically old threads, which are deemed unnecessary, are deleted.
    One man's trash is another man's treasure I hear ...

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  • steko
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    Originally posted by radind View Post
    I am too new to know what a site purge is.
    Over time, the system gets burdened with data and periodically old threads, which are deemed unnecessary, are deleted.

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  • radind
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    Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
    Philosophy and science have occasionally been bedfellows over the years a little more often than it's otherwise separate adherents would care to admit.

    Myself and PPS had a ton of fun with the supposedly heliocentric nature of our solar system and the various theories concerning gravity. The lines between ideologue/ religious zealot and rational rhetorician quickly blurred. A pity the thread didn't survive the last site purge.
    I am too new to know what a site purge is.

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  • fzappa13
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    Originally posted by radind View Post
    I am still amazed.


    This journal does cover some philosophy and the article was from an issue dedicated to Karl Popper who primarily worked as a philosopher. I think the Popper connection was the reason that I originally came across this.
    Philosophy and science have occasionally been bedfellows over the years a little more often than it's otherwise separate adherents would care to admit.

    Myself and PPS had a ton of fun with the supposedly heliocentric nature of our solar system and the various theories concerning gravity. The lines between ideologue/ religious zealot and rational rhetorician quickly blurred. A pity the thread didn't survive the last site purge.

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  • radind
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    Originally posted by fzappa13 View Post
    Interesting that such an offering would appear in a tome so named.
    I am still amazed.
    Foundations of Physics is an international journal devoted to the conceptual bases and fundamental theories of modern physics and cosmology, emphasizing the logical, methodological, and philosophical premises of modern physical theories and procedures.
    This journal does cover some philosophy and the article was from an issue dedicated to Karl Popper who primarily worked as a philosopher. I think the Popper connection was the reason that I originally came across this.

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  • fzappa13
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    Originally posted by radind View Post
    The following is from a non-Biblical source, but I find this fascinating.
    Interesting that such an offering would appear in a tome so named.

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  • radind
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    Originally posted by PneumaPsucheSoma View Post


    The Trinity doctrine, just like all other ancient formulaics, gives no consideration or answer for "how" Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are eternal apart from heaven and the cosmos, but also have real presence in both created realms. How were they, as uncreated, compatible in any sense with creation to "occupy" it, and how did that occur?
    The following is from a non-Biblical source, but I find this fascinating.

    Foundations of Physics, Vol. 22, No. 2, 1992


    The Problem of the Imperfection of a World, Itself Created by a Perfect God by Andr6 Mercier 2

    …”God cannot as creator dwell within the world. He must be without, and the only relationship thinkable of between Him and the world or time requires that, being the creator of World and Time, He should not Himself be endowed with existence, which is being in time. (This, in the meanwhile, should not be misinterpreted as excluding an "incarnation" of the godhead; for, precisely this kind of 'scandal" as the Greeks rejected it when Paul told them about Christ on the Areopagus is made compatible within--but only within--a threefold relationship like that known in Christianity as the Trinity.) “…

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  • MichaelCadry
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    Dear Pneuma,

    I see you using the word Rhema. Have you been posting on The Urantia Book thread again?

    Michael

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