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  • Originally posted by webby View Post
    There is one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.

    There is one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father.

    Through Him all things were made. For us and for our salvation He came down from heaven: by the Holy Spirit He became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.

    For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered death and was buried.

    On the third day He rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
    He will come again in glory.

    With His saints He will judge the living and the dead. And His kingdom will have no end.

    There is one Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father. With the Father and the Son He is worshipped.

    He has spoken through the prophets and through the Scriptures.
    God established the Body of Christ into which the Holy Spirit baptizes every new believer.

    God offers salvation by grace through faith alone in the resurrected Christ.
    The Bible records the true history of man including that God created the heavens and the earth and everything in them in six literal days; only eight people survived a global flood; through great wonders God delivered Israel from Egypt; the prophets, Christ, and the apostles performed many miraculous deeds.

    The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, in their original state, are the inspired Word of God. God legislated morality out of love for His creation.
    Men who reject God will suffer eternal damnation.

    Christ commands His followers to rebuke and to judge with righteous judgment and to forgive those who repent. One day God will resurrect the dead, punish the unbelievers, and reward those whom He has justified with the life of the world to come.
    Amen.
    Complete and utter nonsense.

    Firstly, there are several hundred God/desses. Not just one. Monotheism is relatively new and can trace its origins to Zoroastrianism which first popped up in Persia.

    Man has no need for salvation. Man is not inherently evil or flawed. Man simply is.

    Jesus of Nazareth was never crucified, but rather a man closely resembling him was. Jesus took his pregnant wife Mary and fled to Gaul (the recently found pottery with his name on it in France). He was aided by the Roman authorities because the only thing he had done wrong is what today would be described as "criminal mischief". Since the Roman Governor could find not fault in the man, and yet the jews still wanted him dead, he aided his escape from the area.

    As a historical document the bible is riddled with holes. In fact, it has more holes than swiss cheese. Lets take the first book for instance. In genesis after cain kills able he takes his wife and went to live in the land of Nod. Here is one of the first holes... Who is Cains wife? I suspect Cain ran off with Adam's first wife Lilith. Next, lets look into the life of your supposed savior. The first time we seethe Nazarene he is an infant, we then do not see him again until he is 12 in the temple. After which we don't see him again until he is 30. Now if you look in the gospel according to St. Thomas (which is not in the modern krisjan cannon thanks to the Council of Nicaea) we see Jesus as a 5 year old child. In one of the stories we see that Jesus is playing with another little boy. He apparently got angry with the boy he was playing with and shoved him off the roof of the house. When questioned Jesus claims he did no such thing and brought the boy back to life, who then proceeded to claim that he slipped off the roof.

    There is no place of eternal damnation. No compassionate god would ever destroy one of his creations just because they didn't agree on philosophy. Nor will anyone be punished for having one belief and not another.

    I am both a Henotheist and a Hard Polytheist. I believe that all gods recorded throughout history exist, however I hold on to the Gods of my ancestors.

    May Odin give you wisdom
    May Thor protect you
    May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
    May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

    Hrothgar Odinsson
    Fire and Ice Kindred

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    • Originally posted by Hrothgar_Odinnsson View Post
      Complete and utter nonsense.

      Firstly, there are several hundred God/desses. Not just one. Monotheism is relatively new and can trace its origins to Zoroastrianism which first popped up in Persia.

      Man has no need for salvation. Man is not inherently evil or flawed. Man simply is.

      Jesus of Nazareth was never crucified, but rather a man closely resembling him was. Jesus took his pregnant wife Mary and fled to Gaul (the recently found pottery with his name on it in France). He was aided by the Roman authorities because the only thing he had done wrong is what today would be described as "criminal mischief". Since the Roman Governor could find not fault in the man, and yet the jews still wanted him dead, he aided his escape from the area.

      As a historical document the bible is riddled with holes. In fact, it has more holes than swiss cheese. Lets take the first book for instance. In genesis after cain kills able he takes his wife and went to live in the land of Nod. Here is one of the first holes... Who is Cains wife? I suspect Cain ran off with Adam's first wife Lilith. Next, lets look into the life of your supposed savior. The first time we seethe Nazarene he is an infant, we then do not see him again until he is 12 in the temple. After which we don't see him again until he is 30. Now if you look in the gospel according to St. Thomas (which is not in the modern krisjan cannon thanks to the Council of Nicaea) we see Jesus as a 5 year old child. In one of the stories we see that Jesus is playing with another little boy. He apparently got angry with the boy he was playing with and shoved him off the roof of the house. When questioned Jesus claims he did no such thing and brought the boy back to life, who then proceeded to claim that he slipped off the roof.

      There is no place of eternal damnation. No compassionate god would ever destroy one of his creations just because they didn't agree on philosophy. Nor will anyone be punished for having one belief and not another.

      I am both a Henotheist and a Hard Polytheist. I believe that all gods recorded throughout history exist, however I hold on to the Gods of my ancestors.

      May Odin give you wisdom
      May Thor protect you
      May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
      May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

      Hrothgar Odinsson
      Fire and Ice Kindred
      I take it that you are not a John 14:6 believing, Romans 10:8-13 confessing born again/redeemed/washed in the blood of the lamb Christian.
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      • Originally posted by Psalmist View Post
        I take it that you are not a John 14:6 believing, Romans 10:8-13 confessing born again/redeemed/washed in the blood of the lamb Christian.

        Great insight Captain Obvious! What gave it away?

        No I left the krisjan faith nearly 10 years ago

        May Odin give you wisdom
        May Thor protect you
        May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
        May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

        Hrothgar Odinsson
        Fire and Ice Kindred

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        • Originally posted by Hrothgar_Odinnsson View Post
          Great insight Captain Obvious! What gave it away?

          No I left the krisjan faith nearly 10 years ago

          May Odin give you wisdom
          May Thor protect you
          May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
          May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

          Hrothgar Odinsson
          Fire and Ice Kindred
          Why would you come into another's house only to say their system of belief was nonsense, says more about you for sure, and your 10 year absence has really improved your disposition.
          Sola Scriptura! : Sola Fide! : Sola Gratia! : Solus Christus! : Sola Deo Gloria!

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          • Originally posted by Chris_J View Post
            Why would you come into another's house only to say their system of belief was nonsense, says more about you for sure, and your 10 year absence has really improved your disposition.
            I do believe that Theology is the belief in/ or the study of the divine. this is not a strictly krisjan notion. now if this was started by krisjans than the erred in naming the forum.


            May Odin give you wisdom
            May Thor protect you
            May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
            May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

            Hrothgar Odinsson
            Fire and Ice Kindred

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            • For whom the ban tolls, it tolls for thee H odin!!

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              • That't the problem with you krisjans. You cant stand talking to someone of a different faith. You will just walk away or try to ban them on forums and facebook pages etc. No one says you have to like me, but you do have to respect me.


                May Odin give you wisdom
                May Thor protect you
                May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
                May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

                Hrothgar Odinsson
                Fire and Ice Kindred

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                • Originally posted by Hrothgar_Odinnsson View Post
                  That't the problem with you krisjans. You cant stand talking to someone of a different faith. You will just walk away or try to ban them on forums and facebook pages etc. No one says you have to like me, but you do have to respect me.


                  May Odin give you wisdom
                  May Thor protect you
                  May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
                  May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

                  Hrothgar Odinsson
                  Fire and Ice Kindred
                  No! You don't have to be respected!! Respect is earned, it's not a given!!

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                  • Originally posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
                    No! You don't have to be respected!! Respect is earned, it's not a given!!
                    lol. You have a lot to learn young grasshopper. Fine disrespect me. I don't care. I came here for theological discussions. Not to stoop to the level of a child.


                    May Odin give you wisdom
                    May Thor protect you
                    May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
                    May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

                    Hrothgar Odinsson
                    Fire and Ice Kindred

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                    • Originally posted by Hrothgar_Odinnsson View Post
                      lol. You have a lot to learn young grasshopper. Fine disrespect me. I don't care. I came here for theological discussions. Not to stoop to the level of a child.


                      May Odin give you wisdom
                      May Thor protect you
                      May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
                      May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

                      Hrothgar Odinsson
                      Fire and Ice Kindred
                      You're a, "Grasshopper screaming at a skyscraper!"

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                      • Ok you make absolutely no sense. Would you care to rephrase that so someone other than yourself can understand what the is supposed to mean?


                        May Odin give you wisdom
                        May Thor protect you
                        May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
                        May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

                        Hrothgar Odinsson
                        Fire and Ice Kindred

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                        • Originally posted by Hrothgar_Odinnsson View Post
                          Ok you make absolutely no sense. Would you care to rephrase that so someone other than yourself can understand what the is supposed to mean?


                          May Odin give you wisdom
                          May Thor protect you
                          May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
                          May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

                          Hrothgar Odinsson
                          Fire and Ice Kindred
                          They don't like blasphemy around here! So, that's one rule you'll
                          probably break, real soon!

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                          • Show me a rule that says speaking against kristindomr (christianity) is not allowed.


                            May Odin give you wisdom
                            May Thor protect you
                            May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
                            May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

                            Hrothgar Odinsson
                            Fire and Ice Kindred

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                            • Originally posted by Hrothgar_Odinnsson View Post
                              Show me a rule that says speaking against kristindomr (christianity) is not allowed.


                              May Odin give you wisdom
                              May Thor protect you
                              May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
                              May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

                              Hrothgar Odinsson
                              Fire and Ice Kindred
                              Just be careful you don't commit blasphemy!!

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                              • the word your looking for is blaspheme. "Just be careful you don't BLASPHEME".

                                Just because I don't believe in your god and his "son" doesnt mean I am blaspheming them. I just disagree with that religion and everything it stands for.

                                May Odin give you wisdom
                                May Thor protect you
                                May Freyr/Freyja give you fertility and
                                May the ever watchful Heimdall alert you to any dangers headed your way

                                Hrothgar Odinsson
                                Fire and Ice Kindred

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