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  • Originally posted by Stripe View Post
    Exactly. These things have — get this — diversified from what was once a genome of greater integrity.

    Thanks for reinforcing my point.
    No. Read the links. They all have the exact same genome. They are all susceptible to the same disease. None are resistant.

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    • Originally posted by chair View Post
      No. Read the links. They all have the exact same genome. They are all susceptible to the same disease. None are resistant.
      Read my post. They came from a wider banana "family." You cannot take the genome of a particular strain and assert that it is all that exists.
      Where is the evidence for a global flood?
      E≈mc2
      "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

      "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
      -Bob B.

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      • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
        Evolution isn't random chance. Mutations are, but the selection that actually changes organisms is predictable.
        You guys tell the funniest stories.

        Selection of randomness is design?

        As you should well know by now, mutations are vastly destructive and cannot "create" complex life forms with complex systems.
        All of my ancestors are human.
        Originally posted by Squeaky
        That explains why your an idiot.
        Originally posted by God's Truth
        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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        • Originally posted by Stripe View Post
          Read my post. They came from a wider banana "family." You cannot take the genome of a particular strain and assert that it is all that exists.
          There is no such thing as a genome of a "wider banana family". If you have a non-diverse genome it's the genome of an individual, period. Any individual organism can only contain a certain set of genes. There is a reason why there is a science called population genetics. A population can contain far more versions of a gene than an individual can. This is why genetic diversity in a population is important. Without diversity in a population, you are literally missing genetic information.

          So your assertions have no basis in reality.

          The problem for Bananas is any one banana variety is every individual plant is virtually identical to any other. The variety name of almost all global bananas is Cavendish. However Cavendish was a replacement for an older banana variety, Gros Michel which wasn't immune to a now global strain of Panama disease. So Cavendish replaced it because it was immune to the disease, a better variety. Well the disease has now changed and Cavendish isn't immune to this new version. And since Cavenish Bananas are all the same, they're all going to die from the disease without lots of chemical sprays (expensive).

          Replacing Cavendish is difficult because Bananas generally don't produce seeds at all so generating new varieties (variation) is difficult. The only way to solve this problem is VARIATION. Any time a disease appears, if there is variation, some individuals will survive. Without variation the population goes extinct or can only survive where the disease is not present.
          “We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.



          - The science and faith of theistic evolution explained.

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          • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
            You guys tell the funniest stories.

            Selection of randomness is design?
            Yes it is. Humans do this all the time. It's called mutation breeding.

            As you should well know by now, mutations are vastly destructive and cannot "create" complex life forms with complex systems.
            How do you define "complex" life forms?
            “We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.



            - The science and faith of theistic evolution explained.

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            • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
              Yes it is. Humans do this all the time. It's called mutation breeding.
              It does NOT create radically different types of creatures. Dogs remain dogs... etc. etc. etc.

              Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
              How do you define "complex" life forms?
              Life forms with systems that are all interdependent and could not have "evolved together".
              All of my ancestors are human.
              Originally posted by Squeaky
              That explains why your an idiot.
              Originally posted by God's Truth
              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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              • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                It does NOT create radically different types of creatures. Dogs remain dogs... etc. etc. etc.
                Saying "dogs remain dogs" is a bit of goalpost moving. A Pug is not even close functionally to a wolf. And there's more variation in domestic dog skull shape than all of the order carnivora. Would you say a cat and a dog are the same kind of creature? Could they have evolved from a common ancestor in your view?

                What about Horses and Donkeys? They can produce hybrid offspring, albeit sterile. Are they radically different types of creatures? How about sheep and goats?

                What's "radically different" in your view?

                Life forms with systems that are all interdependent and could not have "evolved together".
                Uhh could you be slightly less vague?
                “We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.



                - The science and faith of theistic evolution explained.

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                • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                  Saying "dogs remain dogs" is a bit of goalpost moving. A Pug is not even close functionally to a wolf. And there's more variation in domestic dog skull shape than all of the order carnivora.
                  None of that changes the fact that BOTH are of the "dog" kind.

                  Would you say a cat and a dog are the same kind of creature?
                  No.

                  Could they have evolved from a common ancestor in your view?
                  Question begging.

                  What about Horses and Donkeys? They can produce hybrid offspring, albeit sterile. Are they radically different types of creatures? How about sheep and goats?

                  What's "radically different" in your view?

                  Uhh could you be slightly less vague?
                  He's being perfectly clear.

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                  • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                    Saying "dogs remain dogs" is a bit of goalpost moving. A Pug is not even close functionally to a wolf. And there's more variation in domestic dog skull shape than all of the order carnivora. Would you say a cat and a dog are the same kind of creature? Could they have evolved from a common ancestor in your view?
                    We don't know exactly what the "kinds" are that God created. But we know that there were more than one.

                    Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                    What about Horses and Donkeys? They can produce hybrid offspring, albeit sterile. Are they radically different types of creatures? How about sheep and goats?
                    How about it? You've already defined multiple kinds.

                    Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                    What's "radically different" in your view?
                    A man is radically different from a single celled organism.

                    Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                    Uhh could you be slightly less vague?
                    Humans are a pretty good example. We have MANY systems that are interdependent and that could not have "evolved" independently.
                    All of my ancestors are human.
                    Originally posted by Squeaky
                    That explains why your an idiot.
                    Originally posted by God's Truth
                    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                    • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                      We don't know exactly what the "kinds" are that God created. But we know that there were more than one.


                      How about it? You've already defined multiple kinds.
                      Are sheep and goats the same kind or not?

                      A man is radically different from a single celled organism.
                      Well that's moving the goal posts rather far now isn't it? There are many many steps to get from there to here. But that's not really your fundamental disagreement.

                      What is the smallest step you disagree with? Could humans have shared a common ancestor with chimpanzees?

                      Did cows and sheep share a common ancestor? Are they "radically different"?

                      Humans are a pretty good example. We have MANY systems that are interdependent and that could not have "evolved" independently.
                      Nothing evolves independently. Species evolve together and organ systems evolve together. New species can arise by hybridization.

                      Of course what systems you're talking about might make things a little clearer.
                      “We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.



                      - The science and faith of theistic evolution explained.

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                      • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post

                        How do you define "complex" life forms?
                        all life forms are complex
                        there are no simple " I can create it " life forms

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                        • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                          Are sheep and goats the same kind or not?
                          I don't know. Do you?

                          Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                          Well that's moving the goal posts rather far now isn't it? There are many many steps to get from there to here. But that's not really your fundamental disagreement.
                          It's a problem for those that think that man evolved from a single celled creature.

                          Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                          What is the smallest step you disagree with? Could humans have shared a common ancestor with chimpanzees?
                          Not according to the most reliable source that we have.... the Bible.

                          Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                          Did cows and sheep share a common ancestor?
                          I don't know. Do you?

                          Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                          Are they "radically different"?


                          Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                          Nothing evolves independently.
                          Last edited by Right Divider; October 13, 2019, 12:24 PM. Reason: typo
                          All of my ancestors are human.
                          Originally posted by Squeaky
                          That explains why your an idiot.
                          Originally posted by God's Truth
                          Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                          Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                          1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                          Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                          • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                            Nothing evolves independently. Species evolve together and organ systems evolve together.
                            And here I thought that you wanted to talk about science and not shear speculation.
                            All of my ancestors are human.
                            Originally posted by Squeaky
                            That explains why your an idiot.
                            Originally posted by God's Truth
                            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                            • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                              And here I thought that you wanted to talk about science and not shear speculation.
                              Not speculation. If evolution is true, an entire organism evolves. Each entire organism must be functional so you don't have a generation with a heart and one without. You have simple hearts, then more complex hearts with small but functional steps in between.

                              Worms for example, are said to have 10 hearts. Which might make you think they are ten complex four chambered structures like those found in humans, but no. They are ten pulsating blood vessels, each being the simplest form of a heart.

                              This all isn't rocket science to figure out.
                              “We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.



                              - The science and faith of theistic evolution explained.

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                              • Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                                Not speculation.
                                Yes, it is.

                                Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                                If evolution is true, an entire organism evolves.
                                It's not true, life did not start as a single celled creature and "evolve" into a man.

                                Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                                Each entire organism must be functional so you don't have a generation with a heart and one without.


                                Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                                You have simple hearts, then more complex hearts with small but functional steps in between.
                                Even the simplest heart is vastly complex and is part of an even vastly more complete SYSTEM. How did the very first "heart" evolve where none existed before AND when it also requires so much more than just itself?

                                Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                                Worms for example, are said to have 10 hearts. Which might make you think they are ten complex four chambered structures like those found in humans, but no. They are ten pulsating blood vessels, each being the simplest form of a heart.
                                Did you have a point? Sounds like you are confirming my point.

                                Originally posted by Alate_One View Post
                                This all isn't rocket science to figure out.
                                All of my ancestors are human.
                                Originally posted by Squeaky
                                That explains why your an idiot.
                                Originally posted by God's Truth
                                Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                                Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                                (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                                1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                                (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                                Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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