THE APOSTLES DID NOT PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

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James was written to Jews (James 1:1) . . .

Note that the book of James was written to "the twelve tribes" (James 1:1), which is the same as addressing people in the Church (James 5:14), people with faith in Jesus Christ (James 2:1, James 1:3) (that is, Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles), people who have been born again (James 1:18, cf. 1 Peter 1:23), who are waiting for Jesus to return (James 5:7).

For just as the Gentile Ruth (a genetic forbear of Israel's Messiah: Matthew 1:5-16, Luke 3:23-32) could say to the Israelite Naomi: "thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God" (Ruth 1:16), so Gentiles in the Church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29).

That is, all Jews in the Church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36). And all Gentiles in the Church have been grafted by God into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted by God into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire Church is the twelve tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). This is necessary, for all those in the Church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15) which God has made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of Gentile Christians being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the Church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A Gentile Christian can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he has been grafted into by God, and he will receive an answer if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22) without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).

Also, all those in the Church, whether Jews (Acts 22:3) or Gentiles (Romans 16:4b), have become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they have undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus Christ (Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13).

James was written to Jews (James 1:1) not to show Christians to be saved by faith plus works.

Note that even the apostle Paul showed Christians to be ultimately saved by faith plus works (Romans 2:6-8). For whereas initial salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ without any works at all on our part (Romans 4:1-5, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9), other passages show that Christians must have both faith and continued works of faith (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6b, Titus 3:8) (not works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law), if they are to obtain ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 25:26,30, Philippians 2:12b, Philippians 3:11-14; 2 Corinthians 5:9, Hebrews 5:9, Hebrews 6:10-12; 2 Peter 1:10-11, John 15:2a; 1 John 2:17b). For Christians must continue to do righteous deeds if they are to continue to be righteous (1 John 3:7, James 2:24,26). And there is no assurance that Christians will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to become utterly lazy without repentance, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).

Abraham was justified by believing God not by works (Romans 4:2).

Initially (Romans 4:2-3), but not ultimately (James 2:21-24).

Also, regarding the "whereof to glory" part of Romans 4:2, note that just as it is impossible for people to believe, or to continue to believe, all of the right things, apart from God's miraculous gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8, John 6:65, Hebrews 12:2), and some measure of His Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 1:18 to 2:16), so it is also impossible for believers to perform, or to continue to perform, all of the right actions, apart from God making it possible for them to do that (Philippians 2:12-13, John 15:4-5). And it is impossible for people to repent, if a sin is committed, apart from God making it possible to repent (2 Timothy 2:25, Acts 11:18, Romans 8:13). So even if people continue to believe, act, and repent as they ought to, they must stay so humble that they never give themselves any credit or glory (Luke 17:10, Galatians 6:14; 1 Corinthians 1:29,31). But when Jesus Christ judges believers at His future, Second Coming, He will give obedient believers some credit (Matthew 25:21). Also, God does glorify believers (Romans 8:30).

 

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Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world. Wouldn't that make it heavenly?

John 18:36 . . . My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

This means that Jesus Christ's future, physical reign on the earth with the physically resurrected Church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29) will not be of this world in the sense that it will not come by worldly means, such as by the Church fighting physically to establish it (2 Corinthians 10:3-4, Matthew 26:52, Matthew 5:39). Instead, it will come only by Jesus Christ Himself returning physically from heaven to establish it (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21). Also, after the future Millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15), a New Earth, as in a new surface for the earth, will be created, and God's Kingdom will continue forever on the New Earth (Revelation 21:1 to 22:5).

(See also post #64 above)

 

[DougE]

Note that the book of James was written to "the twelve tribes" (James 1:1), which is the same as addressing people in the Church (James 5:14),

people with faith in Jesus Christ (James 2:1, James 1:3) (that is, Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles), people who have been born again (James 1:18, cf. 1 Peter 1:23), who are waiting for Jesus to return (James 5:7).

For just as the Gentile Ruth (a genetic forbear of Israel's Messiah: Matthew 1:5-16, Luke 3:23-32) could say to the Israelite Naomi: "thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God" (Ruth 1:16), so Gentiles in the Church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29).

That is, all Jews in the Church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36). And all Gentiles in the Church have been grafted by God into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted by God into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire Church is the twelve tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). This is necessary, for all those in the Church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15) which God has made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of Gentile Christians being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the Church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A Gentile Christian can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he has been grafted into by God, and he will receive an answer if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22) without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).

Also, all those in the Church, whether Jews (Acts 22:3) or Gentiles (Romans 16:4b), have become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they have undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus Christ (Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13).



Note that even the apostle Paul showed Christians to be ultimately saved by faith plus works (Romans 2:6-8). For whereas initial salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ without any works at all on our part (Romans 4:1-5, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9), other passages show that Christians must have both faith and continued works of faith (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6b, Titus 3:8) (not works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law), if they are to obtain ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 25:26,30, Philippians 2:12b, Philippians 3:11-14; 2 Corinthians 5:9, Hebrews 5:9, Hebrews 6:10-12; 2 Peter 1:10-11, John 15:2a; 1 John 2:17b). For Christians must continue to do righteous deeds if they are to continue to be righteous (1 John 3:7, James 2:24,26). And there is no assurance that Christians will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to become utterly lazy without repentance, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).



Initially (Romans 4:2-3), but not ultimately (James 2:21-24).

Also, regarding the "whereof to glory" part of Romans 4:2, note that just as it is impossible for people to believe, or to continue to believe, all of the right things, apart from God's miraculous gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8, John 6:65, Hebrews 12:2), and some measure of His Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 1:18 to 2:16), so it is also impossible for believers to perform, or to continue to perform, all of the right actions, apart from God making it possible for them to do that (Philippians 2:12-13, John 15:4-5). And it is impossible for people to repent, if a sin is committed, apart from God making it possible to repent (2 Timothy 2:25, Acts 11:18, Romans 8:13). So even if people continue to believe, act, and repent as they ought to, they must stay so humble that they never give themselves any credit or glory (Luke 17:10, Galatians 6:14; 1 Corinthians 1:29,31). But when Jesus Christ judges believers at His future, Second Coming, He will give obedient believers some credit (Matthew 25:21). Also, God does glorify believers (Romans 8:30).

Hello

James was addressing the twelve tribes of Israel which were scattered abroad during the persecution of Acts 8 and also will be in the tribulation. It is not addressed to the body of Christ, but rather the believing remnant of Israel, the church of God which Paul persecuted.

The church the Body of Christ is not grafted into Israel. In Romans 11:17, "thou being a wild olive tree" is the Gentile new testament saints, part of the election of grace. The remnant of Gentile new testament believers is the wild olive tree, grafted among the fruitfull branches of the believing Jews, the good olive tree. The broken off branches are unbelieving Israel. This is not the body of Christ but the church of God Paul is speaking of, which believed the preaching of Peter and the apostles.

We can not lose salvation; we have been justified (Romans 3:21-28) without the law and works (Titus 3:5).

 

[DougE]

Note that the book of James was written to "the twelve tribes" (James 1:1), which is the same as addressing people in the Church (James 5:14), people with faith in Jesus Christ (James 2:1, James 1:3) (that is, Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles), people who have been born again (James 1:18, cf. 1 Peter 1:23), who are waiting for Jesus to return (James 5:7).

For just as the Gentile Ruth (a genetic forbear of Israel's Messiah: Matthew 1:5-16, Luke 3:23-32) could say to the Israelite Naomi: "thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God" (Ruth 1:16), so Gentiles in the Church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29).

That is, all Jews in the Church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36). And all Gentiles in the Church have been grafted by God into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted by God into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire Church is the twelve tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). This is necessary, for all those in the Church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15) which God has made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of Gentile Christians being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the Church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A Gentile Christian can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he has been grafted into by God, and he will receive an answer if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22) without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).

Also, all those in the Church, whether Jews (Acts 22:3) or Gentiles (Romans 16:4b), have become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they have undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus Christ (Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13).



Note that even the apostle Paul showed Christians to be ultimately saved by faith plus works (Romans 2:6-8). For whereas initial salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ without any works at all on our part (Romans 4:1-5, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9), other passages show that Christians must have both faith and continued works of faith (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6b, Titus 3:8) (not works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law), if they are to obtain ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 25:26,30, Philippians 2:12b, Philippians 3:11-14; 2 Corinthians 5:9, Hebrews 5:9, Hebrews 6:10-12; 2 Peter 1:10-11, John 15:2a; 1 John 2:17b). For Christians must continue to do righteous deeds if they are to continue to be righteous (1 John 3:7, James 2:24,26). And there is no assurance that Christians will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to become utterly lazy without repentance, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).



Initially (Romans 4:2-3), but not ultimately (James 2:21-24).

Also, regarding the "whereof to glory" part of Romans 4:2, note that just as it is impossible for people to believe, or to continue to believe, all of the right things, apart from God's miraculous gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8, John 6:65, Hebrews 12:2), and some measure of His Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 1:18 to 2:16), so it is also impossible for believers to perform, or to continue to perform, all of the right actions, apart from God making it possible for them to do that (Philippians 2:12-13, John 15:4-5). And it is impossible for people to repent, if a sin is committed, apart from God making it possible to repent (2 Timothy 2:25, Acts 11:18, Romans 8:13). So even if people continue to believe, act, and repent as they ought to, they must stay so humble that they never give themselves any credit or glory (Luke 17:10, Galatians 6:14; 1 Corinthians 1:29,31). But when Jesus Christ judges believers at His future, Second Coming, He will give obedient believers some credit (Matthew 25:21). Also, God does glorify believers (Romans 8:30).

Hello
I am going to respond to your post in segments. When I say the body I am referring to the body of Christ, the church today. Your statements are in quotes and my responses below your statements.

"So the entire Church is the twelve tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10)."

Revelation 21:9 speaks of the bride which is the new Jerusalem not the body (Revelation 21:10).
Revelation 21:12 is the children of Israel not the body but God's people (Exodus 3:10).
1 Peter 2:9-10 refers to the believing remnant of Israel not the body (Exodus 19:5-6 Revelation 5:10).

"This is necessary, for all those in the Church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15) which God has made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b)."

The body is not under the new covenant.
Matthew 26:28 Hebrews 9:15 Jesus shed his blood for many which is for the transgressions Israel committed under the first testament

"John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of Gentile Christians being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the Church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12)."

The other sheep is the scattered Jews who will be brought back to the fold of the believing remnant of Israel and will be one fold which is one nation (Jeremiah 23:3 Ezekiel 37:22). It is not the body which 1 Corinthians 12:13 and Ephesians 4:4 speaks of.

"A Gentile Christian can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he has been grafted into by God, and he will receive an answer if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22) without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7)."

Which verse says a Christian is made a member of any tribe of Israel.

 

[DougE]

Note that the book of James was written to "the twelve tribes" (James 1:1), which is the same as addressing people in the Church (James 5:14), people with faith in Jesus Christ (James 2:1, James 1:3) (that is, Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles), people who have been born again (James 1:18, cf. 1 Peter 1:23), who are waiting for Jesus to return (James 5:7).

For just as the Gentile Ruth (a genetic forbear of Israel's Messiah: Matthew 1:5-16, Luke 3:23-32) could say to the Israelite Naomi: "thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God" (Ruth 1:16), so Gentiles in the Church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29).

That is, all Jews in the Church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36). And all Gentiles in the Church have been grafted by God into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted by God into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire Church is the twelve tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). This is necessary, for all those in the Church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15) which God has made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of Gentile Christians being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the Church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A Gentile Christian can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he has been grafted into by God, and he will receive an answer if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22) without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).

Also, all those in the Church, whether Jews (Acts 22:3) or Gentiles (Romans 16:4b), have become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they have undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus Christ (Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13).



Note that even the apostle Paul showed Christians to be ultimately saved by faith plus works (Romans 2:6-8). For whereas initial salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ without any works at all on our part (Romans 4:1-5, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9), other passages show that Christians must have both faith and continued works of faith (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6b, Titus 3:8) (not works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law), if they are to obtain ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 25:26,30, Philippians 2:12b, Philippians 3:11-14; 2 Corinthians 5:9, Hebrews 5:9, Hebrews 6:10-12; 2 Peter 1:10-11, John 15:2a; 1 John 2:17b). For Christians must continue to do righteous deeds if they are to continue to be righteous (1 John 3:7, James 2:24,26). And there is no assurance that Christians will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to become utterly lazy without repentance, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).



Initially (Romans 4:2-3), but not ultimately (James 2:21-24).

Also, regarding the "whereof to glory" part of Romans 4:2, note that just as it is impossible for people to believe, or to continue to believe, all of the right things, apart from God's miraculous gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8, John 6:65, Hebrews 12:2), and some measure of His Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 1:18 to 2:16), so it is also impossible for believers to perform, or to continue to perform, all of the right actions, apart from God making it possible for them to do that (Philippians 2:12-13, John 15:4-5). And it is impossible for people to repent, if a sin is committed, apart from God making it possible to repent (2 Timothy 2:25, Acts 11:18, Romans 8:13). So even if people continue to believe, act, and repent as they ought to, they must stay so humble that they never give themselves any credit or glory (Luke 17:10, Galatians 6:14; 1 Corinthians 1:29,31). But when Jesus Christ judges believers at His future, Second Coming, He will give obedient believers some credit (Matthew 25:21). Also, God does glorify believers (Romans 8:30).

Hello

"Note that even the apostle Paul showed Christians to be ultimately saved by faith plus works (Romans 2:6-8). "

Romans 2:6-8 is saying that this is how God will judge but Romans will go on to show that no one can escape judgment and there is none righteous (Romans 3:10).

"For whereas initial salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ without any works at all on our part (Romans 4:1-5, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9), other passages show that Christians must have both faith and continued works of faith (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6b, Titus 3:8)"

1 Thessalonians 1:3 does not say we lose salvation. We are saved unto good works. not by them (Ephesians 2:10) We labour to please God and for reward (1 Corinthians 3:8).
Titus 3:8 says works are good and profitable unto men not necessary for salvation.

"(not works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law), if they are to obtain ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 25:26,30, Philippians 2:12b, Philippians 3:11-14; 2 Corinthians 5:9, Hebrews 5:9, Hebrews 6:10-12; 2 Peter 1:10-11, John 15:2a; 1 John 2:17b). For Christians must continue to do righteous deeds if they are to continue to be righteous (1 John 3:7, James 2:24,26)."

James 2:24 Abraham was justified by his works in that he was called the friend of God. His works did not justify him unto eternal life, his works demonstrated his faith. He was justified as acting righteously under the covenant that God made with him in Genesis 17:10.
Matthew 7:21 is not talking about the body but Israel. This was for Israel to enter the Davidic kingdom on earth.
Matthew 25:30 This servant was not cast into hell but outer darkness at the coming of the Lord Jesus and would not enter the Davidic kingdom.
Philippians 2:12 is saying to work out your salvation to be blameless (verse 15).

"And there is no assurance that Christians will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to become utterly lazy without repentance, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a)."

John 15:2 is speaking of casting away unfruitful branches. Israel was to believe the gospel of the kingdom and bear fruit to enter the Davidic kingdom.

 

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Hello
In Matthew 10:7 they were offering the kingdom as being at hand. If Israel repented and believed they would have received it.

Again, this is them preaching it is at hand. Where are they offering it?

I suggest to you that that is how one gets into the kingdom now. That is exactly what Paul was going around preaching to both Jews and Gentiles.
Acts 20:21 testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul later says he was declaring the kingdom.
Acts 20:25 And now, behold, I know that none of you among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom will see my face again.

Philip was preaching the kingdom of God, the Davidic kingdom, and preaching the name of Christ.

What was the good news about it if it hasn't come in 2,000+ years now? Did you notice he doesn't say it was at hand?

 

[turbosixx]

John 18:36 . . . My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

This means that Jesus Christ's future, physical reign on the earth with the physically resurrected Church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29) will not be of this world in the sense that it will not come by worldly means, such as by the Church fighting physically to establish it (2 Corinthians 10:3-4, Matthew 26:52, Matthew 5:39). Instead, it will come only by Jesus Christ Himself returning physically from heaven to establish it (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21). Also, after the future Millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15), a New Earth, as in a new surface for the earth, will be created, and God's Kingdom will continue forever on the New Earth (Revelation 21:1 to 22:5).

(See also post #64 above)

Jesus went around preaching the kingdom was at hand. Can you point out one of those passages that describe the kingdom on earth you envision?

 

[DougE]

Again, this is them preaching it is at hand. Where are they offering it?

I suggest to you that that is how one gets into the kingdom now. That is exactly what Paul was going around preaching to both Jews and Gentiles.
Acts 20:21 testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul later says he was declaring the kingdom.
Acts 20:25 And now, behold, I know that none of you among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom will see my face again.



What was the good news about it if it hasn't come in 2,000+ years now? Did you notice he doesn't say it was at hand?

Hello
"What was the good news about it if it hasn't come in 2,000+ years now?..." you ask:

The kingdom will be fulfilled and realized by all those in the past when Christ comes (1 Peter 1:3-4 Matthew 8:11).

 

[turbosixx]

Hello
"What was the good news about it if it hasn't come in 2,000+ years now?..." you ask:

The kingdom will be fulfilled and realized by all those in the past when Christ comes (1 Peter 1:3-4 Matthew 8:11).

From 1 Pt. 1:3 he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

Can we experience this now?

 

[DougE]

From 1 Pt. 1:3 he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

Can we experience this now?

Hello
The kingdom is not being offered to Israel now, Gentile and Jew are saved freely by faith in the redemption found in Christ in this dispensation of grace.

 

[Right Divider]

From 1 Pt. 1:3 he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

Can we experience this now?

Did you read that entire chapter?

Peter was expecting their salvation in the future:

1Pe 1:5 KJV Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.​

That salvation is the same one mentioned in Luke:

Luk 1:67-79 KJV And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, (68) Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, (69) And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; (70) As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: (71) That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; (72) To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; (73) The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, (74) That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, (75) In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life. (76) And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; (77) To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, (78) Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, (79) To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.​

 

[turbosixx]

Hello
The kingdom is not being offered to Israel now, Gentile and Jew are saved freely by faith in the redemption found in Christ in this dispensation of grace.

I agree with the underlined part of your statement.

So my question to you is, under this dispensation of grace do Jews have an option? Can they wait for the promised "earthly" kingdom or obey the gospel of grace? What if they choose not to obey the gospel of grace?


As far as the non-underlined part of your statement. You still haven't pointed to where the 12 offered the kingdom to Israel (the people).

Thanks

 

[DougE]

I agree with the underlined part of your statement.

So my question to you is, under this dispensation of grace do Jews have an option? Can they wait for the promised "earthly" kingdom or obey the gospel of grace? What if they choose not to obey the gospel of grace?


As far as the non-underlined part of your statement. You still haven't pointed to where the 12 offered the kingdom to Israel (the people).

Thanks

Hello

The gospel of the kingdom is not to be preached today. Jew and Gentile must believe the gospel of Christ.

The gospel of the kingdom that was preached was the offer to the people.....they had to believe it.

 

[turbosixx]

The gospel of the kingdom that was preached was the offer to the people.....they had to believe it.

Many did believe, did they receive the kingdom?

Jn. 7:31 Yet many of the people believed in him. They said, “When the Christ appears, will he do more signs than this man has done?”
Jn. 8:30 As he was saying these things, many believed in him.
Jn. 10:42 And many believed in him there.
Jn. 11:45 Many of the Jews therefore, who had come with Mary and had seen what he did, believed in him, 46 but some of them went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. 47 So the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the council and said, “What are we to do? For this man performs many signs. 48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.”
Jn. 12:42 Nevertheless, many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, so that they would not be put out of the synagogue;

 

[DougE]

Many did believe, did they receive the kingdom?

Jn. 7:31 Yet many of the people believed in him. They said, “When the Christ appears, will he do more signs than this man has done?”
Jn. 8:30 As he was saying these things, many believed in him.
Jn. 10:42 And many believed in him there.
Jn. 11:45 Many of the Jews therefore, who had come with Mary and had seen what he did, believed in him, 46 but some of them went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. 47 So the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the council and said, “What are we to do? For this man performs many signs. 48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.”
Jn. 12:42 Nevertheless, many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, so that they would not be put out of the synagogue;

Hello
Israel as a nation rejected Jesus (Acts 13:46) and the kingdom postponed by the dispensation of grace (Ephesians 3:2). They will receive the kingdom at the Lord's coming (Luke 13:29 1 Peter 1:7).

 

[turbosixx]

Israel as a nation

So you're telling me that all the many people that believed were denied because every single one didn't believe?

What makes someone a Jew?

 

[steko]

So my question to you is, under this dispensation of grace do Jews have an option? Can they wait for the promised "earthly" kingdom or obey the gospel of grace? What if they choose not to obey the gospel of grace?

In this dispensation of grace there are only two options for both Jew and Gentile alike.. receive the free gift of salvation through faith in the finished work of Christ for justification before GOD or be eternally lost.

As far as the non-underlined part of your statement. You still haven't pointed to where the 12 offered the kingdom to Israel (the people).

Thanks

Offered:

Act 3:12........ Ye men of Israel,.......
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

 

[turbosixx]

I've seen you following and was wondering if you would join in. Thanks for your input on the kingdom being offered.

In this dispensation of grace there are only two options for both Jew and Gentile alike.. receive the free gift of salvation through faith in the finished work of Christ for justification before GOD or be eternally lost.

Agreed.

Offered:

Act 3:12........ Ye men of Israel,.......
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Would you say this is the same message as Acts 2?

Paul went around preaching repentance to Jew and Gentile from the very beginning.
Acts 26:20 but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance.

In 3:19, what do you make of "be converted"?

 

[bibleverse2]

James was addressing the twelve tribes of Israel which were scattered abroad during the persecution of Acts 8 and also will be in the tribulation. It is not addressed to the body of Christ, but rather the believing remnant of Israel, the church of God which Paul persecuted.

Note that the body of Christ is the Church (Colossians 1:18). And the body of Christ will be in the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. For there are no believers in Jesus Christ outside of the body (Ephesians 4:4-6), and there will be believers in Jesus Christ in the Tribulation (Revelation 14:12).

The church the Body of Christ is not grafted into Israel.

Note that it is, for just as all Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, are individual branches in the vine which is Jesus Christ (John 15:5), the only way to salvation (John 14:6, Acts 4:12), so all Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, are individual branches in the good olive tree of Israel, the Jews' own tree (Romans 11:17,24, Jeremiah 11:16-17). For all Jewish Christians remain part of Israel (Romans 11:1) as the natural branches in the tree of Israel (Romans 11:24). And all Gentile Christians have been grafted as branches from a wild olive tree into the tree of Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29) so that they can partake of the salvation of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15) which God has made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). This does not mean that a wild branch becomes a natural branch, that a Gentile Christian becomes a genetic Jew, but that Gentile Christians, even while remaining branches from a wild olive tree, even while remaining genetic Gentiles, are still grafted in to become part of the good olive tree of Israel (Romans 11:17,24).

We can not lose salvation; we have been justified (Romans 3:21-28) without the law and works (Titus 3:5).

Note that we can lose salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29), because whereas we have been initially justified without the law and works (Romans 4:1-5), our ultimate salvation will depend on our works (Romans 2:6-8).

 

[bibleverse2]

Revelation 21:9 speaks of the bride which is the new Jerusalem not the body (Revelation 21:10).

Note that Revelation 21:12 refers to Israel's twelve tribes in its description of the bride of Christ in Revelation 21:9. And the bride of Christ is the body of Christ (Ephesians 5:30-32; 2 Corinthians 11:2).

Revelation 21:2,9-10 means that the physical structure of the literal city of New Jerusalem in heaven is a picture of the body. Something can be literal and at the same time symbolically picture something else. For example, in Matthew 21:19 the fig tree was literal and at the same time its being without fruit pictured unbelieving, Old Covenant Israel being without spiritual fruit in Matthew 21:43.

Just as New Jerusalem's literal wall foundations have the names of the twelve apostles on them (Revelation 21:14), so the body's foundation is the apostles (Ephesians 2:20). And just as New Jerusalem's literal pearly gates have the names of Israel's twelve tribes on them (Revelation 21:12,21), so the body consists of Israel's twelve tribes (e.g. James 1:1).

New Jerusalem is a literal city, 1,500 miles cubed (Revelation 21:16), with literal pearly gates and literal streets of gold (Revelation 21:21). It is God the Father's house in the third heaven (Revelation 21:2-3, cf. 2 Corinthians 12:2b,4, Revelation 2:7b, Revelation 22:2,14), in which house Jesus Christ left to prepare a place for His body (John 14:2). All those in His body, whether Jews or Gentiles, have figuratively come to New Jerusalem by coming under the New Covenant (Hebrews 12:22-24, Galatians 4:24-26), which is made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34), and which only His body comes under by believing in Jesus' New Covenant suffering and death on the Cross for our sins (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), the very heart of the Gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

The body looks for Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming, from heaven (Philippians 3:20), and His setting up of the physical aspect of His Kingdom on the earth with the physically resurrected body (Church) of Christ (of all times) for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29), a time period commonly called the Millennium. New Jerusalem will not descend from the third heaven to the earth until after the future, New Earth, as in a new surface for the earth, has been created (Revelation 21:1-4), sometime after the future Millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15). The body (Church) of Christ will physically live and reign in New Jerusalem with God the Father and Jesus on the New Earth (Revelation 21:1 to 22:5). The Father and Jesus themselves will be the only temple in New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:22).

1 Peter 2:9-10 refers to the believing remnant of Israel not the body (Exodus 19:5-6 Revelation 5:10).

1 Peter 2:9-10 is referring to the body of Christ as Israel, for it is quoting from Exodus 19:5b-6 and Hosea 2:23, which refer to Israel.

For 1 Peter 2:9 refers to those in the body, who will reign with Jesus Christ as kings and priests on the earth during the future Millennium (Revelation 5:9-10, Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 2:26-29, Matthew 19:28, Luke 22:30).

The body is not under the new covenant.

Note that the body is only saved by the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6; 1 Corinthians 11:25, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 9:15) which God has made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b).

Which verse says a Christian is made a member of any tribe of Israel.

Note that if even those who are "strangers" in Israel can be considered to be members of the various tribes of Israel, to the point where they can even inherit the land of the tribes (Ezekiel 47:21-23), then certainly Christian Gentiles, who are "no more strangers" to Israel (Ephesians 2:12,19), are considered by God to be grafted into the various tribes of Israel when they are grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29).