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  • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
    You think the Catholics who came up with the trinity doctrine had special authority?
    Back then they were only referred to as Christians, and yes, the bishops had the authority handed down to them from the apostles and ultimately from Christ himself. If you know anything about Christian history you would know that. You claim to be a former Catholic and don't know such a basic teaching?

    These are the same people who decided which books went into the New Testament.

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    • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
      Do you have to follow me around and say that? This is a place to discuss the scriptures and different beliefs.
      There are all kinds of beliefs here, even those who say Jesus is the son of God but not God.
      There are people here who don't even believe in Jesus.
      Now stop saying that to me and getting yourself worked up.
      I call it the way I see it. Your beliefs are in direct opposition to orthodox Christianity. You have know idea what Christianity is all about. It is a personal relationship with the Son of God who was sent by the Father to provide a solution to the problem of sin.. The Father is not the Son or the Spirit. The Son is not the Father or the Spirit. The Spirit is not the father or the Son. Change your theology and get it right.
      He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

      Jim Elliot

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      • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
        You are trying to twist what I say.
        There is only one God and He is the Father. That is scripture.
        God lowered Himself and came in the flesh. That is scripture.
        That is not Scripture. Scripture states their is one God expressed in three persons.
        He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

        Jim Elliot

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        • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
          You are trying to twist what I say.
          Did you not just say this?

          Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
          God the Father came as a man and says plainly: Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"
          You're the one claiming that the Father came as a man and said those very words, that He has not yet ascended to quote, "My God and your God."

          There is only one God and He is the Father. That is scripture.
          Which is why I'm confused as to why you would try to argue that the Father, who you claim came as a man, would say that He has a God above Him.

          What you said above contradicts scripture, which is why Raven called you a heretic, because asserting things that contradict scripture as doctrine is heresy.

          So would you like to retract this heretical argument that God the Father came as a man and said "My God and your God"?

          God lowered Himself and came in the flesh. That is scripture.
          No argument there.

          But now you're evading.

          Your argument was that the Father said "My God and your God". Would you like to retract that heretical claim?

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          • Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
            Back then they were only referred to as Christians, and yes, the bishops had the authority handed down to them from the apostles and ultimately from Christ himself. If you know anything about Christian history you would know that. You claim to be a former Catholic and don't know such a basic teaching?

            These are the same people who decided which books went into the New Testament.
            The proof that what you say is not truth are the scriptures, and the defiant practices of the Catholics.

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            • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
              The proof that what you say is not truth are the scriptures, and the defiant practices of the Catholics.
              Nonsense.

              You know, when you have 3 different people of three different Christian persuasions all saying that you are wrong or a heretic, maybe its time for you to look inwardly instead of accusing everybody else of being wrong.

              Its probably also time for a name change.

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              • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                I call it the way I see it. Your beliefs are in direct opposition to orthodox Christianity. You have know idea what Christianity is all about. It is a personal relationship with the Son of God who was sent by the Father to provide a solution to the problem of sin.. The Father is not the Son or the Spirit. The Son is not the Father or the Spirit. The Spirit is not the father or the Son. Change your theology and get it right.
                I come to speak my beliefs and prove it with scripture. We already know what you think of me.

                As for you saying Jesus is not the Father and not the Spirit, here are scriptures for you to consider carefully:

                The scripture that says the Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and withhold some of the proceeds from the land? 4 Did it not belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How could you conceive such a deed in your heart? You have not lied to men, but to God!”

                There is only one God and he is the Father---there is ONLY ONE SPIRIT and that ONE SPIRIT is God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

                Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;

                Ephesians 2:18
                For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.


                John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth."


                GOD IS SPIRIT.


                23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

                2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

                The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father.

                Romans 8:14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

                I have proved with scripture that there is only one divine Spirit, and that Spirit is God the Father and Jesus Christ the Lord.

                Since God the Father is Spirit, and Jesus Christ is that Spirit---then they are one and the same.

                Jesus is the exact same as God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

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                • Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
                  Nonsense.

                  You know, when you have 3 different people of three different Christian persuasions all saying that you are wrong or a heretic, maybe its time for you to look inwardly instead of accusing everybody else of being wrong.

                  Its probably also time for a name change.
                  I don't share your beliefs and it's not possible for me to be bullied into sharing it.

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                  • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                    That is not Scripture. Scripture states their is one God expressed in three persons.
                    They are all the same one God.
                    The word 'God' is not three different and separate persons making one.
                    God is one: Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

                    One even means 'the same'.

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                    • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                      Did you not just say this?



                      You're the one claiming that the Father came as a man and said those very words, that He has not yet ascended to quote, "My God and your God."



                      Which is why I'm confused as to why you would try to argue that the Father, who you claim came as a man, would say that He has a God above Him.

                      What you said above contradicts scripture, which is why Raven called you a heretic, because asserting things that contradict scripture as doctrine is heresy.

                      So would you like to retract this heretical argument that God the Father came as a man and said "My God and your God"?



                      No argument there.

                      But now you're evading.

                      Your argument was that the Father said "My God and your God". Would you like to retract that heretical claim?
                      God the Father is the one and only God.

                      Jesus is that one and only God come as a man.

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                      • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                        God the Father is the one and only God.

                        Jesus is that one and only God come as a man.
                        So did Jesus receive His authority from Himself, because He is the Father?

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                        • There is only one God and he is the Father---there is ONLY ONE SPIRIT and that ONE SPIRIT is God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
                          This is where you err. God is Triune; Father , Son and Holy Spirit. How can you say there is only one God the Father and then in the same breath claim one spirit who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That makes no sense at all. Try to wrap your mind around the thought The Father is God. Jesus and the Father are one. Jesus is God and as Acts says The Holy Spirit is God. Then your second statement makes sense.
                          He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                          Jim Elliot

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                          • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                            They are all the same one God.
                            The word 'God' is not three different and separate persons making one.
                            God is one: Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

                            One even means 'the same'.
                            That is the point. The three persons of the Trinity are the one God!
                            He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                            Jim Elliot

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                            • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                              So did Jesus receive His authority from Himself, because He is the Father?
                              Jesus is God the Father come as a son.

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                              • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                                This is where you err. God is Triune; Father , Son and Holy Spirit. How can you say there is only one God the Father and then in the same breath claim one spirit who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That makes no sense at all. Try to wrap your mind around the thought The Father is God. Jesus and the Father are one. Jesus is God and as Acts says The Holy Spirit is God. Then your second statement makes sense.
                                I gave scriptures.

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