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  • #16
    Originally posted by Bright Raven

    To deny the Trinity is to deny the Father, Son and Holy Spirit which of course I realize you do. The trinity you mentioned is yours. May God have mercy on your soul.
    It's a good thing Jesus didn't deny his God.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Vail Lifted View Post
      It's a good thing Jesus didn't deny his God.
      He would be denying Himself.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
        He would be denying Himself.
        Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

        Jesus' God is the Father. Therefore he would not have been dening himself but the Father whom he calls "my God"

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Vail Lifted View Post
          Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

          Jesus' God is the Father. Therefore he would not have been dening himself but the Father whom he calls "my God"
          You can try with all your might, but you can't separate the Father, Son, and Spirit. The three are ONE.
          Rev. 3:21=22 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
            You can try with all your might, but you can't separate the Father, Son, and Spirit. The three are ONE.
            Rev. 3:21=22 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
            Who is the God whom Jesus says is "my God"? It must be the same God who raised Jesus from among the dead ones.

            Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
            Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Vail Lifted View Post
              Who is the God whom Jesus says is "my God"? It must be the same God who raised Jesus from among the dead ones.

              Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
              Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
              Yep, same God. You can't separate GOD from Himself. Jesus Christ says He raised Himself.
              John 2:19-22 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
              John 10:17-18
              17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
                Yep, same God. You can't separate GOD from Himself. Jesus Christ says He raised Himself.
                John 2:19-22 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
                John 10:17-18
                17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
                Correct and consise…..

                Here comes the "that's not what he meant" schtick from our opponents...LOL!!!!
                The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                • #23
                  awwww

                  the squeakster's all red again

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
                    Yep, same God. You can't separate GOD from Himself. Jesus Christ says He raised Himself.
                    John 2:19-22 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
                    John 10:17-18
                    17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
                    Jesus said that he who would lose his life for his (Jesus') sake would save it onto life eternal. Therefore, one who would die for Jesus' sake (like Stephen) would save his own life.

                    Now Jesus says that he would lay down his own life and that he would have power to take it again because as he said "this commandment have I received of my Father".

                    Jesus had a commandment from his God to lay down his life and that if he did he could take it again by the promise of his God and Father. He would therefore be saving his own life and taking it back again by being obedient to his God.

                    You never did address my question about who is the God whom Jesus calls "my God".

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                      sorry.....I meant to get the heretic
                      Sorry DR. It looked like you zapped me. My bad.
                      He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                      Jim Elliot

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Vail Lifted View Post
                        Jesus said that he who would lose his life for his (Jesus') sake would save it onto life eternal. Therefore, one who would die for Jesus' sake (like Stephen) would save his own life.

                        Now Jesus says that he would lay down his own life and that he would have power to take it again because as he said "this commandment have I received of my Father".

                        Jesus had a commandment from his God to lay down his life and that if he did he could take it again by the promise of his God and Father. He would therefore be saving his own life and taking it back again by being obedient to his God.

                        You never did address my question about who is the God whom Jesus calls "my God".
                        He said, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up", speaking of His body.

                        So you admit Jesus raised Himself. That's a step in the right direction, since scripture also says the Father raised Him. How could both be true if they were not the ONE GOD? Please don't just skip over this fact, or try and explain it away.... try and address it.



                        Jesus Christ is not only God, He is a human being. As a human being, he has a God (just like all men do). That's why you have to accept ALL of scripture....not just cherrypick those that speak of Christ's humanity.

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                        • #27
                          lol Looks like their changing the subject.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Squeaky View Post
                            lol Looks like their changing the subject.
                            Looks like you posted without adding anything to the discussion.

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                            • #29
                              How to believe to receive salvation? the new birth?

                              Romans 10:9

                              That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

                              That is how simple God made it by giving His only begotten son. John 3:16
                              "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

                              "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

                              Pro scripture = Protestant

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                              • #30
                                Well I started the discussion. I'm here to answer questions now about the discussion.

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