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  • Did James teach Salvation/Justification by works ?

    The answer is no, James the Apostle didnt teach Justification by works before God when he wrote James 2:14-26

    14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?


    15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,


    16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?


    17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


    18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.


    19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


    20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?


    21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?


    22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?


    23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.


    24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.


    25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?


    26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
    Now many think and that erroneously that James is advocating a work base Salvation or Justification. What James is simply stating is that a God given Faith will be evinced by good works towards our brethren, for it [God given Faith] is the product, fruit of New Birth by the Spirit. Loving our brothers and sisters in Christ is the fruit of the new birth and a genuine spirit wrought faith 1 Jn 5:1

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.



    1 Jn 3:14

    14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

    God gives the Spirit in New Birth for the objective of Good works already preordained to walk in Eph 2:8-10
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

  • #2
    Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
    What James is simply stating is that a God given Faith will be evinced by good works towards our brethren, for it [God given Faith] is the product, fruit of New Birth by the Spirit.
    James does not teach that works are evidence of God given Faith.
    James teaches that your works are the evidence of your own faith.

    God given faith would not need to be tested.
    Your own faith does need to be tested.

    James 1:2-4
    2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
    3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
    4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

    Learn to read what is written.

    _____
    The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
    ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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    • #3
      Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
      James does not teach that works are evidence of God given Faith.
      James teaches that your works are the evidence of your own faith.

      God given faith would not need to be tested.
      Your own faith does need to be tested.

      James 1:2-4
      2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
      3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
      4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
      Rabbit Trail

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      "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
      preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
      called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
      a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

      Charles Spurgeon !

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      • #4
        Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
        Rabbit Trail
        Please debate the theological issues presented instead of leaving rabbit droppings.
        Learn to read what is written.

        _____
        The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
        ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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        • #5
          Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
          Please debate the theological issues presented instead of leaving rabbit droppings.
          Dont do rabbit trails !
          "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
          preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
          called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
          a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

          Charles Spurgeon !

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          • #6
            Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
            Dont do rabbit trails !
            Please debate the theological issues presented instead of leaving rabbit droppings.

            James does not teach that works are evidence of God given Faith.
            James teaches that your works are the evidence of your own faith.
            This is consistent with first-century Christian doctrine.

            Pelagianism
            Pelagianism is the belief in Christianity that original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special divine aid.


            This changed by the times of the Council of 418 CE and the Second Council of Orange of 529 CE

            Council of 418
            On 1 May 418 a minor synod (Augustine of Hippo called it A Council of Africa), which assembled under the presidency of Aurelius, bishop of Carthage, to take action concerning the errors of Caelestius, a disciple of Pelagius, denounced the Pelagian doctrines of human nature, original sin, grace, and perfectibility; and it fully approved the contrary views of Augustine.


            Council of Orange (529)
            The question at hand was whether a moderate form of Pelagianism could be affirmed, or if the doctrines of Augustine were to be affirmed. The determination of the Council could be considered "semi-Augustinian". It defined that faith, though a free act, resulted even in its beginnings from the grace of God, enlightening the human mind and enabling belief.

            Classical Protestantism affirms the theology of the Second Council of Orange and has appealed to its conclusions to make a case that the Lutheran and Calvinist doctrines of sola gratia, sola fide, solus Christus, and original sin as total depravity had already been taught much earlier than the 16th-century Protestant Reformation.


            The actions of the Roman Catholic church to denounce scriptural truths and embrace the heresies of Augustine led directly to the heresies of the Calvinist/Reformed doctrines presented in the OP.
            Learn to read what is written.

            _____
            The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
            ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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            • #7
              Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
              Please debate the theological issues presented instead of leaving rabbit droppings.

              James does not teach that works are evidence of God given Faith.
              James teaches that your works are the evidence of your own faith.
              This is consistent with first-century Christian doctrine.

              Pelagianism
              Pelagianism is the belief in Christianity that original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special divine aid.


              This changed by the times of the Council of 418 CE and the Second Council of Orange of 529 CE

              Council of 418
              On 1 May 418 a minor synod (Augustine of Hippo called it A Council of Africa), which assembled under the presidency of Aurelius, bishop of Carthage, to take action concerning the errors of Caelestius, a disciple of Pelagius, denounced the Pelagian doctrines of human nature, original sin, grace, and perfectibility; and it fully approved the contrary views of Augustine.


              Council of Orange (529)
              The question at hand was whether a moderate form of Pelagianism could be affirmed, or if the doctrines of Augustine were to be affirmed. The determination of the Council could be considered "semi-Augustinian". It defined that faith, though a free act, resulted even in its beginnings from the grace of God, enlightening the human mind and enabling belief.

              Classical Protestantism affirms the theology of the Second Council of Orange and has appealed to its conclusions to make a case that the Lutheran and Calvinist doctrines of sola gratia, sola fide, solus Christus, and original sin as total depravity had already been taught much earlier than the 16th-century Protestant Reformation.


              The actions of the Roman Catholic church to denounce scriptural truths and embrace the heresies of Augustine led directly to the heresies of the Calvinist/Reformed doctrines presented in the OP.
              Go start you a thread on that, i dont do rabbit trails
              "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
              preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
              called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
              a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

              Charles Spurgeon !

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              • #8
                Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                Go start you a thread on that, i dont do rabbit trails
                You keep leaving rabbit droppings.
                Learn to read what is written.

                _____
                The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                • #9
                  James taught to be a doer of the law, do what you teach. works and obedience are part of it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                    The answer is no, James the Apostle didnt teach Justification by works before God when he wrote James 2:14-26



                    Now many think and that erroneously that James is advocating a work base Salvation or Justification. What James is simply stating is that a God given Faith will be evinced by good works towards our brethren, for it [God given Faith] is the product, fruit of New Birth by the Spirit. Loving our brothers and sisters in Christ is the fruit of the new birth and a genuine spirit wrought faith 1 Jn 5:1

                    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.



                    1 Jn 3:14

                    14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

                    God gives the Spirit in New Birth for the objective of Good works already preordained to walk in Eph 2:8-10


                    Amen Brother !

                    Those who are Justified by the Blood of Christ Rom. 5:9 according to God's Law and Justice will be Justified consciously, in their own mind, and also by their works before men; that we, being dead to sins should Live unto Righteousness 1 Pet. 2:24, meaning to Live by Faith:

                    Rom. 1:17
                    For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

                    So as a result of being Justified by the Blood of Christ, every Elect Child of God experiences God-Given Spiritual Life in New Birth, of which Faith is a Fruit of Gal. 5:22.

                    1 Pet. 1:22
                    Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

                    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever;
                    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? - Psalm 42:2

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nanja View Post
                      Amen Brother !

                      Those who are Justified by the Blood of Christ Rom. 5:9 according to God's Law and Justice will be Justified consciously, in their own mind, and also by their works before men; that we, being dead to sins should Live unto Righteousness 1 Pet. 2:24, meaning to Live by Faith:

                      Rom. 1:17
                      For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

                      So as a result of being Justified by the Blood of Christ, every Elect Child of God experiences God-Given Spiritual Life in New Birth, of which Faith is a Fruit of Gal. 5:22.

                      1 Pet. 1:22
                      Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

                      Amen Sister !
                      "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                      preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                      called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                      a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                      Charles Spurgeon !

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                        Amen Sister !
                        My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever;
                        when shall I be brought in to see His Face? - Psalm 42:2

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                        • #13
                          Jesus followed and obeyed the law and did good works, why would anyone that claims to follow Jesus deviate from His example.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jaybird View Post
                            Jesus followed and obeyed the law and did good works, why would anyone that claims to follow Jesus deviate from His example.
                            Some people want the benefits without doing the work.
                            Learn to read what is written.

                            _____
                            The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                            ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jaybird View Post
                              Jesus followed and obeyed the law and did good works, why would anyone that claims to follow Jesus deviate from His example.
                              Because Jesus followed and obeyed the Law, many as a result shall be made righteous Rom 5:19

                              For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


                              Christ kept/obeyed the Law for many and made them righteous !
                              "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                              preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                              called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                              a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                              Charles Spurgeon !

                              Comment

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