Is the Bible the only sacred texts and why or why not.

[steko]

It is a gift to those Jesus chooses to give it.

It is a gift to those who receive it with the empty hands of faith.

 

[God's Truth]

No they didn't. They were busy worshipping false Gods and dancing around their statues.

You'll stoop to any lie to deny the Gospel of Grace. :down:

Moses was preached in every city for a long time.

This is what the apostles discussed about the GENTILES:

Acts 15:21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."

This is what Peter said to a Gentile:

Acts 10:28 He said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.

How did that Gentile know? lol

Luke 7:2 There a centurion’s servant, whom his master valued highly, was sick and about to die. 3The centurion heard of Jesus and sent some elders of the Jews to him, asking him to come and heal his servant. 4When they came to Jesus, they pleaded earnestly with him, “This man deserves to have you do this, 5because he loves our nation and has built our synagogue.”

How did that Gentile Centurion know about the Jews and love their nation and build their synagogue?

lol

 

[steko]

Who can be so blind?

You, for one.

 

[Tambora]

It doesn't.

It goes against Holy Scripture that says the Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator of all creation.

But belief that saves isn't belief that Jesus the man was the literal utter fullness of GOD, as physical temporal man.

If you don't believe Holy Scripture that says He is the Creator of all creation, then you are not believing in the same Jesus Christ of Holy Scripture.

The Quran does not teach the same Jesus Christ as Holy Scripture teaches.
The Quran goes against Holy Scripture.

Or perhaps to you it is. In which case you should be able to explain why GOD sent GOD to be a blood sacrifice to GOD for the sin that was placed in man as potential when they were given freedom and knowingly created with that potential by GOD.

Don't worry; I won't hold my breath.

Why would you even need to hold your breath?
One does not need to be told "why" in order to trust GOD's word.
Job asked GOD why inflictions were coming upon him, and you know what? ..... when GOD showed up in the whirlwind He never answered that question.
And when we read the story of the potter (the Creator) and the clay (creation), we are told the clay has no authority to question the potter.
So, speculation on WHY is just that, speculation.
All we need to do is trust GOD at His word.

John 3:16-18 KJV
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Not only does the god of the Quran deny that Jesus is the only begotten Son of him, but denies that GOD has a Son period.

The Quran is incompatible with Christianity and incompatible with Holy Scripture.


Genesis 1:1 KJV
(1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.



John 1:1-3 KJV
(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2) The same was in the beginning with God.
(3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



Colossians 1:16 KJV
(16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

 

[steko]

It goes against Holy Scripture that says the Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator of all creation.

If you don't believe Holy Scripture that says He is the Creator of all creation, then you are not believing in the same Jesus Christ of Holy Scripture.

The Quran does not teach the same Jesus Christ as Holy Scripture teaches.
The Quran goes against Holy Scripture.

Why would you even need to hold your breath?
One does not need to be told "why" in order to trust GOD's word.
Job asked GOD why inflictions were coming upon him, and you know what? ..... when GOD showed up in the whirlwind He never answered that question.
And when we read the story of the potter (the Creator) and the clay (creation), we are told the clay has no authority to question the potter.
So, speculation on WHY is just that, speculation.
All we need to do is trust GOD at His word.

John 3:16-18 KJV
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Not only does the god of the Quran deny that Jesus is the only begotten Son of him, but denies that GOD has a Son period.

The Quran is incompatible with Christianity and incompatible with Holy Scripture.


Genesis 1:1 KJV
(1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.



John 1:1-3 KJV
(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2) The same was in the beginning with God.
(3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



Colossians 1:16 KJV
(16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

:thumb:

 

[God's Truth]

You, for one.

I give you scriptures and you do not address them. Maybe you can't see them?

 

[Lon]

Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Look closer and you will see that the works Paul is speaking of for Abraham was CIRCUMCISION.

Romans 4:11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them.

:doh:
Rom 4:1 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
&
Rom 4:9 Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness.
&Rom 4:12 and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
Rom 4:13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith.

You're still trying to make GOD owe you salvation, I see.

Romans 11:6 If by grace (through faith Ephesians 2:8,9) then it cannot be by works Galatians 2:21
Sadly Only a remnant Romans 11:5

 

[steko]

I give you scriptures and you do not address them. Maybe you can't see them?

Most of the scriptures that you choose to quote or misinterpret, you use as insulation against your coming to a realization that with Paul, Christ from heaven brought about a change in dispensation and ushered in a new program called the dispensation of the grace of GOD, whereby all who believe on the death, burial and resurrection of Christ are saved by faith alone.
It's what Paul plainly teaches but you miss it by trying to blend Christ's message thru Paul with other messages. It won't work and you are left in the dark.

 

[God's Truth]

How do you miss the gospel according to the revelation of the mystery that Christ from heaven ordained Paul to preach?

Paul would NOT EVER preach another gospel than the gospel of God that Jesus taught.

Paul was an apostle just like the other apostles, except Paul was unnaturally born in that he was not with Jesus from the beginning. Jesus saved Paul and stopped him from trying to destroy the church and gave that tough job of preaching the gospel to the Jews and Gentiles. There is only one gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[God's Truth]

No, it is a gift for those who believe.

You're sounding like a hyper calvinist now. :chuckle:



Saved by Grace through faith. It's written right there. Plain as day.

Saved by grace through faith means FAITH that Jesus' blood cleans us of the sins we repent of doing instead of getting the blood of animals.

 

[God's Truth]

It is a gift to those who receive it with the empty hands of faith.

No such thing.

 

[steko]

No such thing.

You missed it again, I see!

 

[steko]

Paul would NOT EVER preach another gospel than the gospel of God that Jesus taught.

He received the dispensation of the grace of GOD directly from Christ in heaven and was ordained a minister thereof.

Paul was an apostle just like the other apostles, except Paul was unnaturally born in that he was not with Jesus from the beginning.

Nope, not like the other apostles because he wasn't qualified precisely because he was not with Christ from the beginning.

Jesus saved Paul and stopped him from trying to destroy the church and gave that tough job of preaching the gospel to the Jews and Gentiles. There is only one gospel of Jesus Christ.

John the Baptist, the Lord Jesus and the twelve preached the prophecied Davidic Messianice earthly Kingdom to Israel.
With Israel's refusal and diminishing, Christ raised up Paul to preach the gospel of the grace of GOD according to the mystery to all nations without rank.

 

[God's Truth]

Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

:doh:
Rom 4:1 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
&
Rom 4:9 Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness.
&Rom 4:12 and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
Rom 4:13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them.

Romans 11:6 If by grace (through faith Ephesians 2:8,9)

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—

then it cannot be by works Galatians 2:21

Galatians 2:12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.

Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Galatians 5:11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished.

Galatians 6:13 Not even those who are circumcised keep the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your circumcision in the flesh.

Galatians 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.


All that NOT OF BY WORKS is the works of the law called the purification/ceremonial works which CIRCUMCISION was the sign.

NEVER EVER EVER did Paul mean faith and not of obedience.

 

[God's Truth]

Most of the scriptures that you choose to quote or misinterpret, you use as insulation against your coming to a realization that with Paul, Christ from heaven brought about a change in dispensation and ushered in a new program called the dispensation of the grace of GOD, whereby all who believe on the death, burial and resurrection of Christ are saved by faith alone.
It's what Paul plainly teaches but you miss it by trying to blend Christ's message thru Paul with other messages. It won't work and you are left in the dark.

You are badly mistaken. It is a shame what you accuse Paul of doing.

Jesus came with grace; he was full of grace.

The gospel is about the good news of Jesus Christ.

IT IS ONE AND ONLY GOSPEL.

I have scriptures for everything that I say.

Paul is the minister of the NEW COVENANT that Jesus made.

There are not two gospels that oppose each other!

Jesus is not divided.

 

[God's Truth]

You missed it again, I see!

You are the one missing it and going against it.

 

[God's Truth]

He received the dispensation of the grace of GOD directly from Christ in heaven and was ordained a minister thereof.



Nope, not like the other apostles because he wasn't qualified precisely because he was not with Christ from the beginning.

That is why he is called an apostle unnaturally born, just as I already explained to you.

John the Baptist, the Lord Jesus and the twelve preached the prophecied Davidic Messianice earthly Kingdom to Israel.

You have got to be kidding. Jesus is the Lord over all. He is the Savior of the world.

That is what was known about him and said.

With Israel's refusal and diminishing,

What?

God CUT OFF AND HARDENED the Jews before Jesus came.

Christ raised up Paul to preach the gospel of the grace of GOD according to the mystery to all nations without rank.

Paul is the minister of the NEW COVENANT that Jesus made.

 

[Tambora]

This is the Gospel Paul preaches, and you hate it. Why? Because YOU don't get to do anything but believe. :rotfl:

Saved by Grace through faith....not of yourselves.

Amen.

 

[Tambora]

He received the dispensation of the grace of GOD directly from Christ in heaven and was ordained a minister thereof.



Nope, not like the other apostles because he wasn't qualified precisely because he was not with Christ from the beginning.



John the Baptist, the Lord Jesus and the twelve preached the prophecied Davidic Messianice earthly Kingdom to Israel.
With Israel's refusal and diminishing, Christ raised up Paul to preach the gospel of the grace of GOD according to the mystery to all nations without rank.

 

[jaybird]

The Holy Spirit doesn't lead people to join a Jewish religion.

umm ok? what bible translation do you use?
Yeshua, John, the 12 and st Paul where all Jews and members of a sect of Judaism called the way.
the pharisees where another sect of Jews, Jesus said do what they teach.