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    People misunderstand Paul. They think when he says not of by works they think he is saying not of by obeying, or not of by obedience.

    The not of by works Paul is speaking of is not of by the purification/ceremonial works, like circumcision.

    Just look at the scriptures, the scriptures said, at the time of Abraham, there would be a time we would be saved by faith and not by the work of CIRCUMCISION.

    Circumcision was a sign of works, the works we no longer have to do.

    We still as always have to obey God, we just do not have to get circumcised in the flesh anymore.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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    Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
    People misunderstand Paul. They think when he says not of by works they think he is saying not of by obeying, or not of by obedience.

    The not of by works Paul is speaking of is not of by the purification/ceremonial works, like circumcision.

    Just look at the scriptures, the scriptures said, at the time of Abraham, there would be a time we would be saved by faith and not by the work of CIRCUMCISION.

    Circumcision was a sign of works, the works we no longer have to do.

    We still as always have to obey God, we just do not have to get circumcised in the flesh anymore.
    Amen, good post, but even circumcision is still necessary because in the supernal way it concerns circumcision of the heart; and Messiah has become or "has been made Minister of the circumcision", (for the truth of God), as Paul himself says:

    Romans 15:7-9 ASV
    7 Wherefore receive ye one another, even as Christ also received you, to the glory of God.
    8 For I say that Christ hath been made a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, that he might confirm the promises given unto the fathers,
    9 and that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, Therefore will I give praise unto thee among the Gentiles, And sing unto thy name.


    I perceive "Minister of the circumcision" in much the same way that I perceive Messiah to be "Mediator of the new testament", (Heb 9:15), and "Mediator of the new covenant", (Heb 12:24). And, yes, I also agree that when Paul speaks of "the works of the law" in the bad sense he is speaking of the physical outward things for which physical circumcision is the primary outward sign in the flesh. The flesh profits nothing.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
      Circumcision was a sign of works, the works we no longer have to do.
      Romans 4:11 (KJV)
      Originally posted by Interplanner
      They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
      Originally posted by Interplanner
      You're too literal to get it.
      Originally posted by Interplanner
      The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by daqq View Post
        Amen, good post, but even circumcision is still necessary because in the supernal way it concerns circumcision of the heart; and Messiah has become or "has been made Minister of the circumcision", (for the truth of God), as Paul himself says:

        Romans 15:7-9 ASV
        7 Wherefore receive ye one another, even as Christ also received you, to the glory of God.
        8 For I say that Christ hath been made a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, that he might confirm the promises given unto the fathers,
        9 and that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, Therefore will I give praise unto thee among the Gentiles, And sing unto thy name.


        I perceive "Minister of the circumcision" in much the same way that I perceive Messiah to be "Mediator of the new testament", (Heb 9:15), and "Mediator of the new covenant", (Heb 12:24). And, yes, I also agree that when Paul speaks of "the works of the law" in the bad sense he is speaking of the physical outward things for which physical circumcision is the primary outward sign in the flesh. The flesh profits nothing.
        Amen, amen for saying good post; except, circumcision of the flesh is no longer necessary. Circumcision of the flesh was about a sign, a seal---now the Holy Spirit is our sign and seal.
        Oh how I love the Word of God!

        Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SaulToPaul View Post
          Romans 4:11 (KJV)
          Abraham was considered righteous because he had living faith that is faith with obedience. Circumcision in the flesh was an outward sign. God promised a time in the future when circumcision would not be required. God never said there would be a time when obedience would no longer be required.
          Oh how I love the Word of God!

          Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
            Amen, amen for saying good post; except, circumcision of the flesh is no longer necessary. Circumcision of the flesh was about a sign, a seal---now the Holy Spirit is our sign and seal.
            Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant:

            Circumcision is of the heart and remains absolutely necessary.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
              People misunderstand Paul. They think when he says not of by works they think he is saying not of by obeying, or not of by obedience.

              The not of by works Paul is speaking of is not of by the purification/ceremonial works, like circumcision.

              Just look at the scriptures, the scriptures said, at the time of Abraham, there would be a time we would be saved by faith and not by the work of CIRCUMCISION.

              Circumcision was a sign of works, the works we no longer have to do.

              We still as always have to obey God, we just do not have to get circumcised in the flesh anymore.
              Eternal life is a GIFT. I guess that you will never receive it.
              All of my ancestors are human.
              Originally posted by Squeaky
              That explains why your an idiot.
              Originally posted by God's Truth
              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by daqq View Post
                Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant:

                Circumcision is of the heart and remains absolutely necessary.
                Oh that is so good to hear. I thought you were saying we should still be circumcised in the flesh to prove we are circumcised in the heart.
                Oh how I love the Word of God!

                Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                  Eternal life is a GIFT. I guess that you will never receive it.
                  Jesus gives the gift to those he wants to give it, and he gives the gift to those who please him.

                  John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.
                  Oh how I love the Word of God!

                  Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                    Oh that is so good to hear. I thought you were saying we should still be circumcised in the flesh to prove we are circumcised in the heart.
                    Now you got it!

                    But see now you can run around saying, "You must be circumcised!", and those who do not walk according to the Spirit will likely go into violent convulsions and start calling you all sorts of vile names and epitaphs, (and if they already do anyways then who cares?). And when they do I just chuckle, (and that usually causes even worse convulsions with accusations of "fallen from grace" and "mocking God").

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                      Eternal life is a GIFT. I guess that you will never receive it.
                      GT has her own way of thinking and can't go beyond that. She has made herself UNTEACHABLE when it comes to the truths of Paul's Gospel. Paul calls it his Gospel, for he received it from the "Ascended Lord Jesus Christ." Most people have rejected this "True Gospel" and insist on trying to EARN eternal life/Salvation on their own. Both GT and Meshak would rather try and EARN it than RECEIVE it freely from God. That's their right according to their free-will choice.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                        Jesus gives the gift to those he wants to give it, and he gives the gift to those who please him.

                        John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.
                        Keep in mind that the book of John is relating to the lost sheep of the "House of Israel" and not to the Gentiles.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                          People misunderstand Paul.
                          We know you do.

                          We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
                          They already know monsters exist.
                          We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by daqq View Post
                            Now you got it!

                            But see now you can run around saying, "You must be circumcised!", and those who do not walk according to the Spirit will likely go into violent convulsions and start calling you all sorts of vile names and epitaphs, (and if they already do anyways then who cares?). And when they do I just chuckle, (and that usually causes even worse convulsions with accusations of "fallen from grace" and "mocking God").
                            HA! Exactly!
                            Oh how I love the Word of God!

                            Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
                              GT has her own way of thinking and can't go beyond that. She has made herself UNTEACHABLE when it comes to the truths of Paul's Gospel. Paul calls it his Gospel, for he received it from the "Ascended Lord Jesus Christ." Most people have rejected this "True Gospel" and insist on trying to EARN eternal life/Salvation on their own. Both GT and Meshak would rather try and EARN it than RECEIVE it freely from God. That's their right according to their free-will choice.
                              My life changed when I finally did what Jesus says.
                              Doing what he says is light, it is life, it is Spirit.
                              I depend on him for everything.
                              He transforms my mind.
                              He lives through me and I through him.

                              As for Paul calling it his gospel, he said that because he is an apostle, and apostles are not taught by other people they are the ones speaking scripture.

                              Paul calls it the gospel of God, the Gospel of Christ, Paul’s gospel, and our gospel.
                              Oh how I love the Word of God!

                              Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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