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  • Arianism.

    As defined by Wikipedia--

    Arianism, in Christianity, is a Christological[1] concept that asserts that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who was begotten by God the Father at a point in time, is distinct from the Father and is therefore subordinate to the Father, but the Son is also God.[2] Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 250–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria, Egypt. The teachings of Arius and his supporters were opposed to the prevailing theological views held by proto-orthodox Christians, regarding the nature of the Trinity and the nature of Christ. The Arian concept of Christ is that the Son of God did not always exist but was begotten by God the Father.[2]
    Looks Biblical to me.

    LA
    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    As defined by Wikipedia--



    Looks Biblical to me.

    LA
    The Son is also God?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
      As defined by Wikipedia--

      Arianism, in Christianity, is a Christological[1] concept that asserts that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who was begotten by God the Father at a point in time, is distinct from the Father and is therefore subordinate to the Father, but the Son is also God.[2] Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 250–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria, Egypt. The teachings of Arius and his supporters were opposed to the prevailing theological views held by proto-orthodox Christians, regarding the nature of the Trinity and the nature of Christ. The Arian concept of Christ is that the Son of God did not always exist but was begotten by God the Father.[2]
      Looks Biblical to me.

      LA
      In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with the Elohim, and the Logos was Elohim.
      There really is no way around that plain clear statement from John 1:1.

      The question is: Who exactly is the Logos?
      Yeshua does not claim to be the Logos.
      The Logos is the Son of Elohim.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by meshak View Post
        The Son is also God?
        Even if the Son is Elohim that does not make him YHWH Elohim the Almighty.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by daqq View Post
          Even if the Son is Elohim that does not make him YHWH Elohim the Almighty.
          Do you believe Jesus is also God?

          Then it makes two Gods.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by meshak View Post
            The Son is also God?
            Adam was created to live forever and was participant of the creation even...co creator

            Yahushua said He calls us gods...which is akin to judges...knowing good from evil....and well, that was learned in the garden of Eden when it was said of us Humans "they have become like one of Usknowing good from evil and now lest they reach out and also take of the tree of life and live forever-"

            So we were merely forbidden to live forever...

            God can make gods...and His Son called us brothers...just not immortal ones...

            No big deal...He also made a donkey talk...His Son made a fish deposit money...lol

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            • #7
              Originally posted by meshak View Post
              Do you believe Jesus is also God?

              Then it makes two Gods.
              Right...just have no other god before Him...He is Jealous ok?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
                As defined by Wikipedia--



                Looks Biblical to me.

                LA
                HalleluYah!

                The only begotten Son was begotten spiritually but was also actually reborn into the physical flesh so that we born of the flesh may become reborn into the spiritual...and live forever...a little above the angels even...but just below Him Our Savior, and certainly below Him His begetter...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by meshak View Post
                  Do you believe Jesus is also God?

                  Then it makes two Gods.
                  I see "God" according to how the word Elohim or elohim is used in the scripture, which is many different ways, and certainly not the way that most modern western minds view that same word, ("God"). When most hear the word "God" they immediately think of "God Almighty" but that is not always what that word means in the scripture, (when Elohim or elohim is used). Elohim can be God, Angels, Judges, an "elohim seed", (as it is used in Mal 2:15 and usually rendered "godly" seed or offspring), or even men, (such as Moses), and is also used for heathen gods or gods of the nations. There are many different usages of the word Elohim; and what I have said thus far does not even include the various usages of "ha-Elohim", (with the definite article which is in some places meant as "the Angels" and not a proper noun or name).

                  In John 10:34-36 the Master quotes from Psalm 82:6, "I have said, You are Elohim, and all of you sons of the Most High", ("but you shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes" - Psa 82:7), where he says, "Is it not written in your law, I have said, You are Elohim? If He called them Elohim, unto whom the Logos of Elohim had come, and the scripture cannot be broken: you say of him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, "You blaspheme!", because I said I am a son of Elohim?

                  So then, according to the doctrine; if the Logos of Elohim has come to you, then you too are an Elohim, but you shall die like an adam and fall as one of the Sariym-princes. Also, be sure to keep the first commandment and do not put yourself on equal footing with your heavenly Father, oh little elohim; for He says, "You shall have no other elohim against My face!", (meaning "equal to Me", Exo 20:3).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by daqq View Post
                    I see "God" according to how the word Elohim or elohim is used in the scripture, which is many different ways, and certainly not the way that most modern western minds view that same word, ("God"). When most hear the word "God" they immediately think of "God Almighty" but that is not always what that word means in the scripture, (when Elohim or elohim is used). Elohim can be God, Angels, Judges, an "elohim seed", (as it is used in Mal 2:15 and usually rendered "godly" seed or offspring), or even men, (such as Moses), and is also used for heathen gods or gods of the nations. There are many different usages of the word Elohim; and what I have said thus far does not even include the various usages of "ha-Elohim", (with the definite article which is in some places meant as "the Angels" and not a proper noun or name).

                    In John 10:34-36 the Master quotes from Psalm 82:6, "I have said, You are Elohim, and all of you sons of the Most High", ("but you shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes" - Psa 82:7), where he says, "Is it not written in your law, I have said, You are Elohim? If He called them Elohim, unto whom the Logos of Elohim had come, and the scripture cannot be broken: you say of him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, "You blaspheme!", because I said I am a son of Elohim?

                    So then, according to the doctrine; if the Logos of Elohim has come to you, then you too are an Elohim, but you shall die like an adam and fall as one of the Sariym-princes. Also, be sure to keep the first commandment and do not put yourself on equal footing with your heavenly Father, oh little elohim; for He says, "You shall have no other elohim against My face!", (meaning "equal to Me", Exo 20:3).
                    No wonder Christianity become so complicated.

                    We better just stick to Jesus' word.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by meshak View Post
                      No wonder Christianity become so complicated.

                      We better just stick to Jesus' word.
                      Sounds good to me, elohim meshak.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by daqq View Post
                        I see "God" according to how the word Elohim or elohim is used in the scripture, which is many different ways, and certainly not the way that most modern western minds view that same word, ("God"). When most hear the word "God" they immediately think of "God Almighty" but that is not always what that word means in the scripture, (when Elohim or elohim is used). Elohim can be God, Angels, Judges, an "elohim seed", (as it is used in Mal 2:15 and usually rendered "godly" seed or offspring), or even men, (such as Moses), and is also used for heathen gods or gods of the nations. There are many different usages of the word Elohim; and what I have said thus far does not even include the various usages of "ha-Elohim", (with the definite article which is in some places meant as "the Angels" and not a proper noun or name).

                        In John 10:34-36 the Master quotes from Psalm 82:6, "I have said, You are Elohim, and all of you sons of the Most High", ("but you shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes" - Psa 82:7), where he says, "Is it not written in your law, I have said, You are Elohim? If He called them Elohim, unto whom the Logos of Elohim had come, and the scripture cannot be broken: you say of him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, "You blaspheme!", because I said I am a son of Elohim?

                        So then, according to the doctrine; if the Logos of Elohim has come to you, then you too are an Elohim, but you shall die like an adam and fall as one of the Sariym-princes. Also, be sure to keep the first commandment and do not put yourself on equal footing with your heavenly Father, oh little elohim; for He says, "You shall have no other elohim against My face!", (meaning "equal to Me", Exo 20:3).
                        I fired up my Laptop [MENTION=17195]daqq[/MENTION] . I am going to dismember your theology and expose what is residing within you. I have everything I need now.

                        Will you run and cower? Or... Will you stand your ground? I've been waiting for you to quote the full chain. It is SIN incarnate that speaks through you. I am a peace maker at heart, but the Apostles revealed something... You can help sheep all day long, but if they have a false shepherd, they will be turned back.

                        You have been deceived and lend your tongue to Satan. I'm not joking. You are a Demon Doctrine Shepherd.

                        You run now, whenever I address you, and you haven't used scripture in your replies to me. It's over Daqq. Today... this day... Evil Eye becomes your CURSE.

                        - P.W.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
                          As defined by Wikipedia--



                          Looks Biblical to me.

                          LA
                          [MENTION=10015]Lazy afternoon[/MENTION],

                          Jesus is not (Created). Arianism is a serpent, because it cloaks it's evil. The second you call "a god" created... it is no longer a God. This is why Arianism denies that Jesus is God. Further more... Daqq is on record as claiming to be ELOHIM. Hear me out. This matter is enormously serious.

                          # Today... My kid gloves are off.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Evil.Eye.<(I)> View Post
                            I fired up my Laptop @daqq . I am going to dismember your theology and expose what is residing within you. I have everything I need now.

                            Will you run and cower? Or... Will you stand your ground. I've been waiting for you to quote the full chain. It is SIN incarnate that speaks through you. I am a peace maker at heart, but the Apostles revealed something... You can help sheep all day long, but if they have a false shepherd, they will be turned back.

                            You have been deceived and lend your tongue to Satan. I'm not joking. You are a Demon Doctrine Shepherd.

                            You run now, whenever I address you, and you haven't used scripture in your replies to me. It's over Daqq. Today... this day... Evil Eye becomes your CURSE.

                            - P.W.
                            Sorry to have to inform you, "P.W.", but I have already heard just about everything you have said here in this post many other times, from your fellow comrade, "john w", and plenty of your other fellow associates around here. In fact you already falsely accused my of being a "Jehovah's Witness", a "Seventh Day Adventist", and an "Arian", as well as many other false accusations and slanders you have leveled against me, and false reports you have already attempted to spread about me; and so now you resort to calling me demon possessed like your friends already do? So what? Do you truly believe that what you do is the will of Elohim for you? Do you honestly think that you are doing Elohim a service by spewing the venom you just spewed in the post I have quoted above herein? If I am tabernacling in the heavens then you blaspheme both me and my Father just as your fathers blasphemed my Shepherd and his and my Father.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Evil.Eye.<(I)> View Post
                              @Lazy afternoon,

                              Jesus is not (Created). Arianism is a serpent, because it cloaks it's evil. The second you call "a god" created... it is no longer a God. This is why Arianism denies that Jesus is God. Further more... Daqq is on record as claiming to be ELOHIM. Hear me out. This matter is enormously serious.

                              # Today... My kid gloves are off.
                              I am on record for quoting the Good Shepherd, Yeshua.
                              YOU, "Evil.Eye.<(I)>", are on record for stating that YHWH is your brother!

                              Last edited by daqq; February 17th, 2017, 09:22 AM.

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