pacifism for true Jesus' followers.
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Nope.
All sins were paid for 100% at the cross.
To bring up sins again after death would be double jeopardy.
That's a cop out, and you know it.
Be honest with yourself. Every time a Muslim kills people, and they capture the Muslim, you guys beg the authorities to execute the Muslim.
Your no different than the crime boss paying his hitman to do the killings for him.
When you vote, do you vote for politicians in favor of capital punishment, or against it?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
let's assume by "they" that you're referring to the legitimate authorities
what do you think the legitimate authorities should do with a captured murderer in this case?
Put him in jail.
Do you know how many murderers have been saved in prison?
Murderers need Jesus Christ, not an electric chair.
Just about every prison in this country has Christian pastors who visit the jails and preach the word of Christ to the prisoners.
If you guys had it your way, the murderers would be executed the day after the trial, and therefore no chance to hear the gospel of Christ Jesus.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
for how long?
a. a couple of minutes
b. until he says he's really really sorry
c. not until he's heard the gospel
d. the rest of his life
Lon
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I used to be the same. I was 16. I had just read in scripture to 'turn the other cheek.' I prayed hard and wrestled with God over it.
I told him I thought it 'sounded' stupid to me. That weekend, a bully came and started clubbing on me, literally for no reason.
I told him I wouldn't fight him (I was still wrestling with that verse, normally I'd have knocked him out, as I had other bullies in the past).
My nose was bleeding profusely, so he quit after that. The bully's friend started wailing on my cousin. I dropped the towel and was ready
to stop that and I was thankful, because I was pretty sure God wanted me to protect those around me. Just as suddenly, the kid stopped.
To this day, I wonder if it wouldn't have been better to punch the guy out and explain to him that the reason I'm this strong, is because God made me this way.
Years later, that bully came and apologized to me. I thought perhaps God had done something, but I found out that my brother had threatened him and gave him an ultimatum to apologize to me.
Both you and I come from rough neighborhoods. I have a couple of other stories of pacifism and how such turned out that I'll continue to share in thread, that we can all analyze what the best thing to do might have been as well as getting feedback on what God is doing with us. He is perfectly capable of saving us, and I've been saved by Him.
I have a thread, btw, of God saving His people and I think it very important, at this time, that we should talk about our brothers and sisters in Christ, who are being persecuted to death, for their faith in atheist and Muslim countries. I wish someone would start a martyr thread. We need to be praying a lot more for our brothers and sisters, persecuted and put to death for their love of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Lon
Well-known member
OR is 'stopping a murderer' the good? :think:
Lon
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In the early '90s, we had a family of Old Order Mennonites living on our property.
They had just come up from Belize, Central America.
While the father was away getting supplies, his two daughters were raped at gunpoint and contracted gonorrhea.
I asked him what he would have done if he had been there.
He said the only thing that he could have done is to try to reason with them.
In a conversation some time later concerning Sheriff protection in our area, he said, in so many words, that people in law enforcement were provided by GOD for his protection. I agreed with that but then began to understand that those people weren't saved, that only the people of his lifestyle and doctrine were saved.
As time went on and in spite of the fact that we both agreed that salvation was by grace through faith, I began to understand that he didn't think I was saved either, that GOD had just provided him with someone that he and his family could leach on.
The relationship didn't last long after this realization and it wasn't long before they got the feeling that they needed to leave. Of course, it was necessary for me, the empty vessel, to load my truck and trailer with all their earthly belongings and carry them to another place where they could mooch off of someone else.
They had just come up from Belize, Central America.
While the father was away getting supplies, his two daughters were raped at gunpoint and contracted gonorrhea.
I asked him what he would have done if he had been there.
He said the only thing that he could have done is to try to reason with them.
In a conversation some time later concerning Sheriff protection in our area, he said, in so many words, that people in law enforcement were provided by GOD for his protection. I agreed with that but then began to understand that those people weren't saved, that only the people of his lifestyle and doctrine were saved.
As time went on and in spite of the fact that we both agreed that salvation was by grace through faith, I began to understand that he didn't think I was saved either, that GOD had just provided him with someone that he and his family could leach on.
The relationship didn't last long after this realization and it wasn't long before they got the feeling that they needed to leave. Of course, it was necessary for me, the empty vessel, to load my truck and trailer with all their earthly belongings and carry them to another place where they could mooch off of someone else.
ClimateSanity
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You are not a mind reader. You have no idea if Lon likes the thread.
ClimateSanity
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You have the thread because you're a fruitcake.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
we can resist evil if we are committed to the Lord. Many Christians have done it. I will be one of them.
As a Christian, I don't carry any deadly weapon. And I don't play "what if" games and preparing to justify when the difficult situation arrives.
ClimateSanity
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That's because you are a phony and a coward who is too afraid to seriously look at your insane position.
Cop out? It's the truth.
Show me one verse in the sermon on the mount where Jesus repealed one of the laws?
Show me one verse where Paul says that the law is no more?
And rightly so, just like with any other criminal who has committed a crime deserving of death.
So you're comparing criminal justice to criminal gangs? Shame on you.
Neither.
There are only three forms of punishment for criminals that God authorized in the Bible. Prison is not one of them.
I guarantee you that it's far less than those who have been saved when they face the death penalty.
We need to get rid of the prisons in this country. By putting 1M criminals in prison, we only delayed crime, not removed it, from our society.
We should go back to restitution, corporal punishment, and the death penalty as punishments for crime.
Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. - Ecclesiastes 8:11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes8:11&version=NKJV
Seems to me that God guarantees that there will be very little crime if we have swift punishments for crime...
So yes, we are for a swift (and painful) punishment for crime.
So 24-48 hours isn't enough time for someone to witness to a criminal? If repenting of one's sin and asking for forgiveness takes 5 minutes, seems to me like there's plenty of time to "get right with God" between sentencing and execution...
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