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  • Originally posted by jamie View Post
    What if we put verse 16 back into the context.
    He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. (Colossians 1:15-18 NKJV)

    The name "Yahwah" is not biblical.
    Amen....neither is Yashuah.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
      To add to what you have said. The Spirit has;
      a mind, Romans 8:27
      a will, 1 Corinthians 12:11
      He speaks, Acts 8:29, 13:1
      He loves, Romans 15:20
      He grieves, Ephesians 4:30
      He prays, Romans 8:26

      Forces do not do those things, persons do.
      So will the Spirit be our Father of whom we must be born?
      Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." (John 3:5 NKJV)

      We too are spirit.
      But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. (Romans 8:9 NKJV)

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      • Originally posted by jamie View Post
        So will the Spirit be our Father of whom we must be born?
        Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." (John 3:5 NKJV)

        We too are spirit.
        But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. (Romans 8:9 NKJV)
        No, He s the Spirit of God
        He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

        Jim Elliot

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        • Is the Spirit of Christ the Spirit of God?
          But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. (Romans 8:9 NKJV)

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          • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
            Mat 28:19 KJV Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
            This one verse, alone, proves the three in one doctrine.

            ONE name -- THREE persons.
            Here is the oldest recorded document of Matthew 28:19.

            "The Demonstratio Evangelica" by Eusebius:
            Eusebius of Caesarea. 265 ? AD.– 337 ? AD.


            Eusebius was the Church historian and Bishop of Caesarea. On page 152 Eusebius quotes the early book of Matthew that he had in his library in Caesarea. Eusebius informs us of Yahshua's actual words to his disciples in the original text of Matthew 28:19.

            Quote: "With one word and voice He said to His disciples: "Go, and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all...

            And again Eusebius for example, in Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read:

            "But the rest of the disciples, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went to all nations to preach the good news, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, "Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name."


            And again, in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read:

            "What king or prince in any age of the world, what philosopher, legislator or prophet, in civilized or barbarous lands, has attained so great a height of excellence, I say not after death, but while living still, and full of mighty power, as to fill the ears and tongues of all mankind with the praises of his name?
            Surely none save our only Savior has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke these words to his followers, and fulfilled it by that event, saying to them, "Go ye and make disciples of all nations in my name."

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            • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
              WRONG!! He is not talking about the Father. He is talking about Jesus.
              Lies and contradictions do not count as truth.

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              • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                So your opinion out-weighs everything?

                The Holy Spirit is not some impersonal "force".
                Act 5:3-4 KJV But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? (4) Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
                You can't lie to a "force". You can ONLY lie to a PERSON. And this PERSON is GOD.

                Yahwah has many name titles.

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                • Originally posted by jamie View Post
                  Is the Spirit of Christ the Spirit of God?
                  But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. (Romans 8:9 NKJV)
                  I think the verse speaks for itself. You are sounding more like a Trinitarian these days, Jamie. I'm encouraged and hope you continue to embrace the scriptures that speak ▲thusly▲ In Him, -Lon
                  My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                  Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                  Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                  Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                  No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                  Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                  ? Yep

                  Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                  ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                  Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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                  • Originally posted by jamie View Post
                    What if we put verse 16 back into the context.
                    He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. (Colossians 1:15-18 NKJV)

                    The name "Yahwah" is not biblical.
                    It contradicts the Old Testament.

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                    • Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
                      This is how it should read.

                      Colossians 1:16
                      16 For by Yahwah were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:
                      17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
                      Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                      WRONG!! He is not talking about the Father. He is talking about Jesus.
                      Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
                      Lies and contradictions do not count as truth.
                      I would have said that you are correct regarding your rewrite, because Y-H-W-H refers to both Christ and the Father who is with and was God John 1:1
                      My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                      Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                      Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                      Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                      No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                      Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                      ? Yep

                      Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                      ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                      Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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                      • Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
                        It contradicts the Old Testament.
                        I didn't write it, I quoted it.

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                        • Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
                          Lies and contradictions do not count as truth.
                          Jesus is God and Savior, creator of all things. Get used to it, you'll have an eternity to understand.

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                          • Originally posted by Lon View Post
                            I would have said that you are correct regarding your rewrite, because Y-H-W-H refers to both Christ and the Father who is with and was God John 1:1
                            Yes, and also John 17:23.

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                            • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                              Does the scripture teach us that we must believe in the Trinity doctrine to be saved?
                              No, it does not.

                              Example #1:

                              Because if you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. (Romans 10.9)

                              Who raised Jesus from the dead?

                              • God the Father… Acts 3.26; Eph 1.15-20; Gal 1.1; 1 Thes 1.9-10
                              • God the Son…John 2.19-22; 10.17-18; Romans 6.4
                              • God the Spirit…Romans 8.11; 1 Peter 3.18
                              • The Trinity…Romans 10.9; Peter 1.20-21; Hebrews 13.20-21; 1 Cor 6.14; Col 2.11-12; Acts 2.23-24; 2.32; 3.14-15; 13.30-37


                              Thus…you will be saved if you believe in The Triune God, as revealed in scripture.

                              Simple, Biblical truth.

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                              • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                                No, He s the Spirit of God
                                Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
                                Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
                                Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

                                Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

                                Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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