One Gospel Proven.
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Spiritual people throughout history were preached to about Jesus Christ--
Gen 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Tell me John W.
Under what covenant with God do you live? (If indeed you do have life)
LA
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
The droid does not even know the argument, and quotes Matthew 16:21 KJV, and, in slickness(Genesis 3:1 KJV-"subtil"), leaves out verses 22-23.........
Listen up-the whole passage:
Matthew 16 KJV
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
That's slick, sport....Real slick.
Parallel passage-Luke KJV:
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. 32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: 33 and they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. 34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
Notice that Peter attempts to prevent the Master's death, the very death that would reconcile him-part of the 1 Cor. 15:1-4 good news. He had no idea that He would die, or be raised-he initially denied the resurrection. And yet he preached, for almost 3 years, the good news of the kingdom.
Read it:
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Until that time, while preaching the gospel of the kingdom, they were clueless as to the impending...
Death
Burial
Resurrection
Irrelevant-says NADA re. the 12 preaching the good news of 1 Cor.15:1-4 KJV...
Death
Burial
Resurrection
The dbr was hid from them.
They were clueless that he would die, and be raised. The understood NADA. The dbr was hid from them.
achduke
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Just goes to show what Christ, not the apostles taught! Some here link Christ's teachings to Judas. That is wrong Christ taught the truth. Judas was a liar and a theif and contributed to the murder of Christ! Even if he was told to teach the Gospel being a liar his witness cannot not be trusted! The rest of the apostles had a hard time seeing the truth until Christ had risen but eventually they understood.
achduke
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Christ taught the good news. The apostles documented this. They also were told to teach the good news but did not understand until Christ had died and then risen. Still this was before Paul even started his ministry.
No verse says that the 12 preached the good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, at least prior to its occurrence-the 12 did not know of the impending dbr-it was hid from them-they all denied the resurrection. And yet they were taught by the Master, to teach/preach the good news/gospel of the kingdom, which had NADA to do with the 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV good news.
"The rest of the apostles had a hard time seeing the truth until Christ had risen but eventually they understood."-you
No, shuck your "had a hard time seeing the truth"-you spun that, made it up-the dbr was hid from them, prior to its occurrence. Even satan, and his minions, did not know.
achduke
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If it was hid from then how did they write about them? Matthew had documented in his writings alone the DBR.
John 20:9 KJV
For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
The dbr was hid from them; they did not know, that he would rise.
And yet, the 12, including Judas, for almost 3 years, preached the gospel of the kingdom. Thus, the gospel/good news of the kingdom, is not equivalent to the gospel/good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.
Second graders can understand this. You can't. Grow a brain, or pray to God the Father, through the Lord Jesus Christ, asking Him to open your eyes.
Your choice.
You can't be this stupid. Tell me you are not. Do I/anyone, really have to explain to you, that the scripture was not written by the "authors" the LORD God employed, until years after?
You really did not think, before you posted, did you?
Your "how" question is humanism, i.e., I don't understand it....how could?????
Read it...
John 20:9 KJV
For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
Read "Then"....
Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. 32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: 33 and they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. 34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
They had no idea....hid....
You can't be this stupid-later, it was revealed to them, and, later, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John wrote about it......Later............
Luke 24 KJV
1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. 3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: 5 and as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, 7 saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. 8 And they remembered his words, 9 and returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest. 10 It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. 11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not. 12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? 18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. 22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; 23 and when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive. 24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not. 25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26 ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Notice-they did not believe that He had risen.....Then they were "set straight"-later............
achduke
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Yet they knew after he had risen which was still before Paul! It was only hidden up to the time he had risen so they were teaching the DBR before Paul!
And? You missed your/other's own "argument." Grow a brain. You thus concede that they did not about the DBR, before the fact. Yet, the DBR was the foundation of the good news of 1 Cor. !5:1-4 KJV. The 12, however, did preach the good news/gospel of the coming kingdom, for 3 years, w/o having a clue for the impending 1 Cor. 15:1-4...
Death
Burial
Resurrection
Thus, the "gospel(good news) of the kingdom" is not equivalent to the gospel/good news of1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.
A second grader "gets" this.
Thus, there is more than just one piece of good news, gospel, in the book, and this "one gospel" assertion/spam, that most Christians just accept, "cuz" that is what they heard, and they do not study the details of the book, is satanic.
A second grader "gets" this, and "gets" that gospel" merely means "good news"-the context tells the student of scripture, who studies it, what good news" is being discussed.
achduke
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Reading the gospels it mostly Jesus who does the preaching. Later he tells the 12 to go out and preach the kingdom of God which is inside of you. He does not tell them to go out and preach until later in his preaching so they could not have preached for 3 years like you say. Paul also preaches the kingdom of God. He also goes into detail how the DBR forgives us so we may enter the kingdom of God. How does this happen? You repent and through faith in Christ you beleive. This happens through the Grace of God. The DBR is how we are reconciled to God through his Son. If we repent and believe does it matter if we know the DBR right away or are we saved either way?
achduke
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I did not miss my own argument. I never said they understood at first. They did not understand until he had risen which is still before Paul.
John 12:16 His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written about Him and that they had done these things to Him.
You act as if it was hidden from them forever and that Paul was the first to understand DBR. They understood after Christ had risen.
You might post the verses that actually say what you are asserting.
For example, If I were to assert that His disciples did not understand these things at first, I could base that on the verse that actually says exactly that.
Then, only after having laid out a body of passages that clear, I could assert something they say together, as a unit, that they do not, a part from one another.
That is, if I have put the right verses together, to begin with. For example, though the "last days" that Peter is talking abut in Acts 2 & 3 are connected to his mention of "last days" in 2 Peter 3, their timing differs.
As another example, we know from Scripture that Paul had preached that Jesus died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried and rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, because Paul wrote that was what he had preached.
1 Corinthians 15:
1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
achduke
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Because I was showing that the original 12 were shown the truth. They may not have understood it at first but they were shown the truth. They did indeed understand after Christ had risen. They also received the Holy Spirit. Jesus told them to preach the gospel. Why would they not?
It is on you to post passages that actually say what you are asserting.
Consider that what you are actually doing is asserting a thing is so, and then expecting your word about it to be taken as Scripture's Word on it.
achduke
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This is a discussion forum. Not a thesis paper. I was reply to previous messages.