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  • #91
    Originally posted by fishrovmen View Post
    I love Romans 4:8! and it fits perfectly right where Paul wrote it (which is a quote from Psalm 32).
    It fits perfectly with all the verses that surround it.
    Hopefully, one day you will come to understand that once sins are forgiven, God doesn't change His mind.
    That is the hope of the believer in Christ; in His faithfulness to not charge our sins against us.
    Romans 4:8 is not about what God might or might not do, it is about what is ALREADY DONE!! if you truly believed that Jesus atoned for ALL the sins of the whole world, then they are all GONE...no where to be found...forgiven fully and completely and finally!
    Abraham is a real person who exhibited real faith and received a real righteousness that was credited to his account. Through him, countless peoples have also received a real blessing of righteousness by faith; not Jews only, but also Gentiles. It was not by works, but by promise. The same promise that I, myself, through faith, am believing that my sins are fully, completely and finally forgiven for EVER.
    If you want to believe in some kind of temporary forgiveness of sins, or the forgiveness of only some sins, or a god who changes it's mind or whatever you actually believe, then that's on you.
    But we who understand what Paul is writing in Romans 4, will continue to glory in the promises of the unchanging God of Abraham, that we, through faith such as Abraham's, will continue to trust that our sins are removed from us forever.

    You would like to do away with the judgment. That is typical of a Calvinist. There will be a judgment when Christ returns. If you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will be condemned, Romans 4:8.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
      You would like to do away with the judgment. That is typical of a Calvinist. There will be a judgment when Christ returns. If you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will be condemned, Romans 4:8.
      I never once said that there will be no judgment. Typical of you to bear false witness and try to deflect the attention due your unbiblical doctrines.
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      • #93
        Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
        You would like to do away with the judgment. That is typical of a Calvinist. There will be a judgment when Christ returns. If you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will be condemned, Romans 4:8.
        You make a mockery of the suffering of Christ and all that He went through to secure our salvation. It is unfathomable that you would think that the Father allowed His only begotten Son, who had no sin of His own, yet was made sin for us; to suffer rejection, betrayal, mockings, scourgings, plucking the beard, a crown of thorns, severe grief and the burden of bearing the Father's wrath and so much more. Only to temporarily forgive sins and make all of that suffering null and void when He charges those sins back to peoples accounts? Seriously? B57 is right on this one, that you teach that many for whom Christ suffered death shall yet perish due to those very sins that He supposedly offered propitiation.
        Omniscience limited
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        • #94
          Originally posted by fishrovmen View Post
          You make a mockery of the suffering of Christ and all that He went through to secure our salvation. It is unfathomable that you would think that the Father allowed His only begotten Son, who had no sin of His own, yet was made sin for us; to suffer rejection, betrayal, mockings, scourgings, plucking the beard, a crown of thorns, severe grief and the burden of bearing the Father's wrath and so much more. Only to temporarily forgive sins and make all of that suffering null and void when He charges those sins back to peoples accounts? Seriously? B57 is right on this one, that you teach that many for whom Christ suffered death shall yet perish due to those very sins that He supposedly offered propitiation.
          Christ suffering was not in vain. He victoriously defeated sin. death and the devil and in doing so secured heaven for all that believe in him. The message of the New Testament is that Jesus is Lord. He is Lord over ALL THINGS, Colossians 1:20. He now has the right to impute sins back to those who are not believers.

          Nothing that Christ has done or is will be yours if it is not received by faith, John 1:12.

          In the judgment you will be judged to see if you have faith in Christ or if you just have faith in a religion. It appears that like B57 you have faith in a doctrine or a religion.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by fishrovmen View Post
            I never once said that there will be no judgment. Typical of you to bear false witness and try to deflect the attention due your unbiblical doctrines.
            Then what do you believe that the purpose of the judgment is? It will be the judgment of believers and unbelievers. If you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will perish.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
              Then what do you believe that the purpose of the judgment is? It will be the judgment of believers and unbelievers. If you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will perish.
              To render to each man according to his deeds, just like Paul wrote.
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              • #97
                Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
                Christ suffering was not in vain. He victoriously defeated sin. death and the devil and in doing so secured heaven for all that believe in him. The message of the New Testament is that Jesus is Lord. He is Lord over ALL THINGS, Colossians 1:20. He now has the right to impute sins back to those who are not believers.

                Nothing that Christ has done or is will be yours if it is not received by faith, John 1:12.

                In the judgment you will be judged to see if you have faith in Christ or if you just have faith in a religion. It appears that like B57 you have faith in a doctrine or a religion.
                Just stick with what has been revealed by the Holy Spirit in the Holy Scriptures and don't make stuff up and you will do well.
                Omniscience limited
                Prophetic guesses
                Election by observation
                No future yet

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by fishrovmen View Post
                  Just stick with what has been revealed by the Holy Spirit in the Holy Scriptures and don't make stuff up and you will do well.
                  If its not in the Bible I don't embrace it and neither should you. All of this religious stuff like Calvinism and Catholicism is nothing but garbage.

                  Jesus has victoriously met all of the requirements for our salvation and justification. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. All that we need to do is enter into his rest, Hebrews 4:10.

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