"depart from Me ye cursed into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"...these will depart into everlasting punishment
These are the words of Christ...do you agree with them?
Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?
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"depart from Me ye cursed into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"...these will depart into everlasting punishment
These are the words of Christ...do you agree with them?
You are not Christ.
I reported your post because it was a false accusation and it was offensive. Do you expect to just get away with falsely accusing me?
You have not shown any scripture that I disagree with. I do not disagree with Jesus Christ, I completely agree with him.
I asked you nicely to take back your false accusation, but you refused. So I reported it. If you don't want to be reported for bad behavior, improve your behavior. Start acting like a true Christian.
Yes I do. The everlasting fire consumes whatever is put into it. The eternal punishment is death.
The way is wide that leads to DESTRUCTION. These are Christ's words. Do you agree with Him or are you prepared to correct Him and claim that that the way is wide that leads to eternal non-destruction and torment in hell. Jesus said to fear the one who can DESTROY both body and soul in Gehenna. Do you agree with Him or do you claim that the soul is not destroyed but kept forever in eternal conscious torment?
You are the one who is disagreeing with Jesus Christ and slithering around the truth.
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It says EVERLASTING punishment
Aimiel
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Deny. Deny. Deny. I guess you don't need twelve-steps since you have your three. :rotfl:
In the parable of Dives and Lazarus we see that the wicked was in torment and conscious.
Your behavior is typical of those who believe in Eternal Conscious Torment. You don't believe the Bible, you can only put me down.
SHOW ME the scripture that you falsely claim that I deny. You can't. There is not one verse in the Bible that says that the lost go to Hell when they die where they are to be tortured alive forever while they are dead. Your claim that the Bible says this is completely false. Your claim that I deny scripture is completely false and a complete lie. You can't show even one verse that I have denied. I've shown you many verses that directly refute your false doctrine, but you have not addressed any of them.
You don't know what you are talking about, and you can only resort to insults. Insulting me does not prove that you are correct. Show me the Chapter and Verse that backs up your false doctrine.
Which part of death is not everlasting?
You don't know what you are talking about.
This is wrong on so many levels.
First of all, the parable of Lazarus and Dives is not talking about final punishment, since you can see that the brothers are still alive.
Secondly, this is a parable. The details of a parable are not didactic. The parable is not a teaching about final judgment.
You have claimed that I slither around the truth, but you haven't shown any evidence that I have done this. We just disagree about the final fate of the wicked. Why can't we discuss this without name calling? I want you to take back your false accusation that I slither around the truth. The accusation is a bald faced lie anyway.
What lesson is teaching to the rich man? that he will sleep forever?
This is what you are basing your accusation that I "slither around the truth" on???
Because I believe the whole Bible and not your out of context proof texts? The parable of Dives is a parable, designed to teach one point. It was not a description of hell. If you can't support your belief that the wages of sin is eternal life in hell without resorting to a parable, you need to rethink your theology. The bible says plainly that the wages of sin is death, the penalty is destruction, the wicked will perish, they will be destroyed, and they will be no more. What is the sense in denying what the bible plainly teaches? And what is the sense in falsely accusing me of "slithering around the truth" because of my faith in what the Bible says?
Because I believe the whole Bible and not your out of context proof texts? The parable of Dives is a parable, designed to teach one point. It was not a description of hell. If you can't support your belief that the wages of sin is eternal life in hell without resorting to a parable, you need to rethink your theology. The bible says plainly that the wages of sin is death, the penalty is destruction, the wicked will perish, they will be destroyed, and they will be no more. What is the sense in denying what the bible plainly teaches? And what is the sense in falsely accusing me of "slithering around the truth" because of my faith in what the Bible says?
Did Jesus teach that the beggar was carried into Abraham' bosom while the rich lifted up his eyes in torment?
If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.
Jesus did rise from the dead, and they still did not believe.
The point of the parable is not the conditions of Hades. Hades is not Hell anyway.
Okay, beggars go into Abraham's chest cavity. Do you see the problems inherent in taking the details of a parable literally?
You certainly are stubborn. According to the Bible, the wages of sin is death, not eternal conscious torment. Do you deny this?
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Surely this is to slither around the truth for it teachs that the man clothed in purple lifted up his eyes in torment...why would Jesus say it if it were not truth?
Matt:25 and the story of Lazarus and Dives explain what perish means.
But if you will not hear the words of the Son of God who is risen from the dead.......
But if you will not hear the words of the Son of God who is risen from the dead.......