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    Acts 2:34

    For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

    Clearly, there are two Lords in this verse.

    I am tired of pointing this verse out.

    What is the specific identity of "The Lord"?

    What is the specific identity of "my Lord"?
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

  • #2
    Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
    Acts 2:34

    For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

    Clearly, there are two Lords in this verse.

    I am tired of pointing this verse out.

    What is the specific identity of "The Lord"?

    What is the specific identity of "my Lord"?
    Have you tried looking at Psalm 110? Which is what is being quoted there.
    All of my ancestors are human.
    Originally posted by Squeaky
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Originally posted by God's Truth
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Right Divider View Post

      Have you tried looking at Psalm 110? Which is what is being quoted there.
      Yes, not only have I tried to look at Psalm 110, I have succeeded!

      So for the benefit of those who tried and failed, I offer

      Psalm 110:1

      The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

      But we will post the entire Psalm for the benefit of those who have tried and failed, KJV.


      The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

      2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

      3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

      4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

      5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

      6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

      7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.


      We know that Jesus Christ is being referred to in the sentence, "Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."


      Hebrews 7:14-17

      14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

      15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

      16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

      17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

      "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

      "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

      Pro scripture = Protestant

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      • #4
        Maybe a hint is in order.

        The Lord, hmmm. not just one of of many, for we know that there are many lords, and for that matter, many gods.

        1 Corinthians 8:5
        For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

        One of the Lords is the Lord God who is the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ

        That is a big clue, figuratively speaking.

        Any questions?
        "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

        "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

        Pro scripture = Protestant

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
          Maybe a hint is in order.

          The Lord, hmmm. not just one of of many, for we know that there are many lords, and for that matter, many gods.

          1 Corinthians 8:5
          For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

          One of the Lords is the Lord God who is the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ

          That is a big clue, figuratively speaking.

          Any questions?
          Where does the Psalm say "God the Father"? Is God the Father eternally God the Father?

          All of my ancestors are human.
          Originally posted by Squeaky
          That explains why your an idiot.
          Originally posted by God's Truth
          Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
          Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
          (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

          1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
          (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

          Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Right Divider View Post

            Where does the Psalm say "God the Father"? Is God the Father eternally God the Father?
            It doesn't

            Nor should it.

            God was not literally a Father until the conception and birth of His son, Jesus Emmanuel.

            It is not acceptable to be called a Father unless he is one.

            However, that does not exclude God being referring to himself as Lord and likewise His son being called Lord as well
            Last edited by oatmeal; March 24th, 2020, 05:11 PM.
            "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

            "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

            Pro scripture = Protestant

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by oatmeal View Post

              It doesn't

              Nor should it.

              God was not literally a Father until the conception and birth of His son, Jesus Emmanuel.
              Jesus said that He was with His Father before the world was created.

              Joh 17:5 KJV And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

              You are speaking falsehoods.
              All of my ancestors are human.
              Originally posted by Squeaky
              That explains why your an idiot.
              Originally posted by God's Truth
              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
                God was not literally a Father until the conception and birth of His son, Jesus Emmanuel.

                God is Trinity. He is eternally father, son, holy spirit, with no beginning and no ending.

                God in his deepest mystery is not a solitude but a family, since he has in himself fatherhood, sonship and the essence of the family which is love

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
                  Acts 2:34
                  For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

                  Clearly, there are two Lords in this verse.

                  I am tired of pointing this verse out.

                  What is the specific identity of "The Lord"?

                  What is the specific identity of "my Lord"?

                  David IS in heaven. He didn't ascend there under his own power though like Jesus did, but he is there.

                  Jesus is Lord. Jesus ascended to heaven under his own power because he is God the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity.

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                  • #10
                    Greetings oatmeal and Trump Gurl,
                    Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
                    Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
                    Clearly, there are two Lords in this verse. I am tired of pointing this verse out.
                    What is the specific identity of "The Lord"?
                    What is the specific identity of "my Lord"?
                    Psalm 110:1 (KJV): The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
                    The KJV rendition above distinguishes between the two Hebrew words by translating Yahweh as “The LORD” and Adonai as “my lord” or “lord”. The word Yahweh is the personal Name of the One God, God the Father. The word Adonai is the usual word for a ruler, master, lord. Thus Yahweh is the One God, Yahweh, God the Father. Seated at His right hand is David’s Lord, our Lord Jesus Christ, The Son of God.
                    Originally posted by Trump Gurl View Post
                    David IS in heaven. He didn't ascend there under his own power though like Jesus did, but he is there.
                    Acts 2:34–35 (KJV): 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
                    Peter states on the Day of Pentecost that “David is not ascended into the heavens”, say 50 days after Jesus’ death, and say 10 days after Jesus himself ascended to heaven. Yet you claim “David IS in heaven”. When did David ascend into heaven?

                    Kind regards
                    Trevor

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                      Jesus said that He was with His Father before the world was created.
                      Joh 17:5 KJV And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


                      You are speaking falsehoods.
                      Does he say that he was with the Father?

                      No, not really.

                      The glory that I had with thee was with the Father, not Jesus himself.

                      If Jesus was literally with the Father then Matthew 1:18 is error.

                      Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

                      The Greek word translated birth is gennessis, or beginning. Jesus had a beginning at it began when Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

                      God certainly planned ahead for Jesus Christ. Genesis 3:15 was not an impulsive decision, God had prepared for man's redemption from the fall in the very design of the heaven and the earth.

                      God was well prepared and had things in motion immediately, including the glory that He had prepared for the eventuality of His son.

                      The statement is not difficult to understand. Even earthly parents are fully capable of preparing for children they do not yet have, yet plan to have.

                      They might choose a dwelling fit for raising children, they prepare a room for the child, diapers, a crib, even decorate the room so as to give the child every advantage that the parents can. God is no different. God not only foreknew His son, Jesus Christ but as as well and prepared for us well ahead of time

                      Ephesians 1:3-4

                      3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

                      4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

                      Those spiritual blessings are the glory that we had with God before the foundation of the world.

                      Romans 8:29-30

                      29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

                      30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

                      Just like Jesus Christ God had prepared for us as well.

                      May we learn to live in a manner commensurate with God's love to us.


                      "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

                      "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

                      Pro scripture = Protestant

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TrevorL View Post
                        Greetings oatmeal and Trump Gurl,
                        Psalm 110:1 (KJV): The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
                        The KJV rendition above distinguishes between the two Hebrew words by translating Yahweh as “The LORD” and Adonai as “my lord” or “lord”. The word Yahweh is the personal Name of the One God, God the Father. The word Adonai is the usual word for a ruler, master, lord. Thus Yahweh is the One God, Yahweh, God the Father. Seated at His right hand is David’s Lord, our Lord Jesus Christ, The Son of God.

                        Acts 2:34–35 (KJV): 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
                        Peter states on the Day of Pentecost that “David is not ascended into the heavens”, say 50 days after Jesus’ death, and say 10 days after Jesus himself ascended to heaven. Yet you claim “David IS in heaven”. When did David ascend into heaven?

                        Kind regards
                        Trevor
                        Yes, that is correct, God is the Lord, whilst in lower rank beside God is His son, the one both we and David referred to as my lord.
                        "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

                        "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

                        Pro scripture = Protestant

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Trump Gurl View Post


                          God is Trinity. He is eternally father, son, holy spirit, with no beginning and no ending.

                          God in his deepest mystery is not a solitude but a family, since he has in himself fatherhood, sonship and the essence of the family which is love
                          That is a very unscriptural conclusion. God is a family? Where is God the mother?
                          "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

                          "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

                          Pro scripture = Protestant

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by oatmeal View Post

                            Does he say that he was with the Father?

                            No, not really.

                            The glory that I had with thee was with the Father, not Jesus himself.

                            If Jesus was literally with the Father then Matthew 1:18 is error.

                            Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

                            The Greek word translated birth is gennessis, or beginning. Jesus had a beginning at it began when Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
                            The only problem is your confusion. Until you can understand what the Bible actually teaches, that Jesus is BOTH GOD and MAN, you will continue to force falsehoods on the scripture.

                            The genesis of Jesus AS A MAN was when He was conceived by the Holy Ghost. That is NOT His genesis as GOD.
                            All of my ancestors are human.
                            Originally posted by Squeaky
                            That explains why your an idiot.
                            Originally posted by God's Truth
                            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by oatmeal View Post

                              That is a very unscriptural conclusion. God is a family? Where is God the mother?
                              God is not a FULLY HUMAN FAMILY.

                              God is using an ANALOGY of Father and Son.
                              All of my ancestors are human.
                              Originally posted by Squeaky
                              That explains why your an idiot.
                              Originally posted by God's Truth
                              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                              Comment

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