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We have to be born again and receive Jesus' Spirit.
So what do you think you have disproved?
You haven't disproved anything that I said.
WHICH CHURCH WAS HEBREWS WRITTEN TO?
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We have to be born again and receive Jesus' Spirit.
So what do you think you have disproved?
You haven't disproved anything that I said.
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Man naturally is in the flesh, so he is controlled by the flesh. No scripture, which is spiritual, is written to him, doesn't matter his ethnicity
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John the baptizer was NOT one of the twelve.
You are literally too dumb to communicate with.
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Those who are not just inclined to please their flesh are the ones who listen and then get born again by repenting of those sins they do with the flesh.
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That is you.
John the baptizer prepared the way for the Lord
John the baptizer is the VOICE preparing the way for the Lord.
What did the voice say?
The voice said Jesus is the LAMB of God who TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD.
Stop saying no one was taught that Jesus had to die. DUH, the lambs the Jews sacrificed had to kill the lambs.
You don't even know that over a thousand years the Jews had to sacrifice animals AS A LESSON about WHAT JESUS WAS GOING TO COME AND DO.
Jesus was going to come and shed his blood---FOR THE WHOLE WORLD.
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I can hardly believe that you come off as an abusive teacher when you don't even know that Jesus taught the people to believe in him for the forgiveness of sins, and that Jesus WOULD GIVE HIS SPIRIT to reconcile us to God.
Jesus had to die and rise and ascend to do that.
BUT FIRST HE TAUGHT HOW TO get saved and reconciled.
I can hardly believe that you come off as an abusive teacher when you don't even know that Jesus taught the people to believe in him for the forgiveness of sins, and that Jesus WOULD GIVE HIS SPIRIT to reconcile us to God.
Jesus had to die and rise and ascend to do that.
BUT FIRST HE TAUGHT HOW TO get saved and reconciled.
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Read the SCRIPTURE... the goat that takes away Israel's sins runs into the wilderness ALIVE.
Lev 16:20-22 KJV And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat: (21) And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: (22) And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.
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The sins will be taken out. So what is your point? Do you think Jesus is the goat of God? Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
Sin/purification offering (Hebrew, hatta’t; Lev 4:1-5:13, Lev 6:24-30) dealt with disruption in the relationship between human beings and God. The offering depended on the identity and status of the person required to make it. The chief priest, for example, had to bring a bull, whereas ordinary Israelites brought a female goat or lamb. Those who were too poor to afford a goat or sheep could offer birds, and an offering of grain flour was acceptable from the very poor.
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life.
Exodus 29:38 “This is what you are to offer on the altar regularly each day: two lambs a year old. 39 Offer one in the morning and the other at twilight. 40 With the first lamb offer a tenth of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with a quarter of a hin of oil from pressed olives, and a quarter of a hin of wine as a drink offering. 41 Sacrifice the other lamb at twilight with the same grain offering and its drink offering as in the morning—a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the Lord.
42 “For the generations to come this burnt offering is to be made regularly at the entrance to the tent of meeting, before the Lord. There I will meet you and speak to you;
John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Hebrews 9:22 According to the Law, in fact, nearly everything must be purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Exodus 12:3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household.
John 21:15 [ Jesus Reinstates Peter ] When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”
Acts 8:32 This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading: “He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before its shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
1 Corinthians 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
1 Peter 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
Revelation 5:1 [ The Scroll and the Lamb ] Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals.
Revelation 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.
Revelation 5:12 In a loud voice they were saying: “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!”
Revelation 5:13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”
Revelation 6:1 [ The Seals ] I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!”
Revelation 6:3 When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!”
Revelation 6:5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.
Revelation 6:7 When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!”
Revelation 6:16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
Revelation 7:9 [ The Great Multitude in White Robes ] After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Revelation 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”
Revelation 7:14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’ ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’”
Revelation 12:11 They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.
Revelation 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
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So again you ignore and disregard scripture.
This scripture describes the Passover "lamb"
Exo 12:5 KJV Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
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[h=1]Exodus 12:5 New American Standard Bible (NASB)[/h]
5 Your [a]lamb shall be an unblemished male a year old; you may take it from the sheep or from the goats. [h=4]Footnotes:[/h]
5 Your [a]lamb shall be an unblemished male a year old; you may take it from the sheep or from the goats. [h=4]Footnotes:[/h]
- Exodus 12:5 Or kid
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[h=1]Exodus 12:5 New International Version (NIV)[/h]
5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats.
5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats.
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Good grief. Jesus is the LAMB of God. Not the goat of God.
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All you are doing is trying to obfuscate from the point I made that proves your beliefs wrong.
Jesus is the Lamb of God.
EVERY JEW and many Gentiles KNEW THAT the lambs blood had to be shed for the forgiveness of sins.
You are so obviously trying to not acknowledge that.
It goes against your beliefs because you keep saying no one knew Jesus was going to die.
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Good grief... Your favorite "translation" calls the Passover lamb the Passover ANIMAL.
Good grief... SCRIPTURE shows that both a LAMB (sheep) and a KID (goat) are acceptable Passover sacrifices.
Good grief... in Leviticus 16 BOTH goats are a PICTURE of the Lord Jesus Christ. The goat that takes away Israel's sin does so ALIVE.
Good grief... you are so indoctrinated that you cannot understand the actual meaning of scripture.
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I have never ever heard that.
Don't make up things.
You are making up things.
Not every scripture says 'goat, or lamb'.
Nowhere anywhere is Jesus called the goat of God.
Stop obfuscating.
That is you.
Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
Everyone knows that a lamb is slain for the shedding of blood for atonement of one's soul.
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It was taught even in the Old Testament that Jesus had to die:
Acts 26
22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
The Gentiles who did not obey and have animal sacrifices, they had to wait to be included by believing in the last sacrifice, Jesus Christ, once and for all.
It was taught even in the Old Testament that Jesus had to die:
Acts 26
22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
The Gentiles who did not obey and have animal sacrifices, they had to wait to be included by believing in the last sacrifice, Jesus Christ, once and for all.
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John 1:29 John the baptizer proclaimed Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
Jesus preached to his disciples that he would have to die.
Matthew 16:21
From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
Luke 9:22 And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."
Luke 9:44
"Let these words sink into your ears: The Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men."
Luke 24:44
Jesus said to them, "These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms."
EVEN NON BELIEVERS KNEW JESUS PREACHED HE WOULD DIE AND RISE AGAIN.
Matthew 27:63
"Sir," they said, "we remember that while He was alive that deceiver said 'After three days I will rise again.'
John 1:29 John the baptizer proclaimed Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
Jesus preached to his disciples that he would have to die.
Matthew 16:21
From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
Luke 9:22 And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."
Luke 9:44
"Let these words sink into your ears: The Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men."
Luke 24:44
Jesus said to them, "These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms."
EVEN NON BELIEVERS KNEW JESUS PREACHED HE WOULD DIE AND RISE AGAIN.
Matthew 27:63
"Sir," they said, "we remember that while He was alive that deceiver said 'After three days I will rise again.'
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You frequently QUOTE from the NIV... now you don't like it?
I NEVER said that EVERY SCRIPTURE says 'goat or lamb'. I showed you the DEFINITION, IN SCRIPTURE, of the Passover sacrifice. SCRIPTURE allows for EITHER a lamb (sheep) or a kid (goat).
It's really too bad for you that you are so lacking in understanding of the scripture.
I'm not. I'm showing you scripture that you don't like.
Nope... I take all of the scripture into account. You just have some pet passages.
Indeed He is... did the Passover lamb take away sin?
Read your BIBLE. Leviticus 16 should be in there.
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There are many different NIV translations. I have never ever heard of what you said.
AND, your argument has NOTHING to do with Jesus being called the LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD.
Do you deny Jesus is the Lamb of God?
Do you not know that animals were sacrificed for the atonement of one's soul?
He's not making it up.
They roasted the Passover animals over the fire as prescribed, and boiled the holy offerings in pots, caldrons and pans and served them quickly to all the people. - 2 Chronicles 35:13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Chronicles35:13&version=NIV