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  • Originally posted by clefty View Post
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    ummm...now you sound like Squeaky who goes on and on and on about that same thing...despite His saying “think NOT I have come to”

    you fulfilled your obligations as a citizen yesterday right? I mean I hope so...so what?...are the laws destroyed today because you fulfilled them yesterday? Think NOT indeed...



    now you sound like those slandering jews who claimed Stephen was doing the same teaching that Yahushua changed the customs Moses delivered...Luke is clear it was FALSE WITNESS

    in fact believing jews still zealous for the Law were so concerned by the rumors they heard they had Paul take a vow to prove he was still walking orderly and keeping the law...

    at NONE of his trials was a jew witness produced that could PROVE that false witness or those false charges...NO evidence like an epistle he had written...was produced to prove Paul was teaching the law changed...that would be against both the Temple and Rome...of which Paul claimed innocence of...

    the ONLY charge was his teaching of One resurrected...Acts 23:6 24:21 imagine if he was living and teaching Sabbath was abolished jews could eat ham...LOL


    it was already ONE LAW for jew and goyim alike long ago when He was head of the church in the wilderness...you know His house being a house of prayer for ALL nations...NOW THAT ONE NEW MAN IS A SOVEREIGN CITIZEN OF ISRAEL...not jewish as there is NO jew or goyim IN HIM...but obedient to Israel law citizen...

    Oh wait...you believing fulfilling your role as a lawful citizen on one day destroys the law for the next day...LOL

    stop being racist and so antisemitic...

    His Son WAS jewish and lived the customs of Moses as a model for us to follow in the new covenant lifestyle...but you are intent to follow racist and anti semites who wished to divorce themselves of all things “desert god” superstitions so to make it a better sell for Europeans...

    Salvation is of the jews is still valid...is WHY you are MAD...you’d rather follow racist antisemites who replaced the WALL He destroyed between jew and goyim...and live with GRACE ALONE than admit you are to live AS HE DID...

    You would rather RAPTURE yourselves from the lifestyle of your Master or copy Paul or any first century disciple living “the Way” to merely eat Sunday Ham...or is it the shrimp?


    We establish the law Paul was clear...the Law is good and HOLY still...or else how would Paul have learned about DO NOT covet?

    See? Paul was aware other nations had laws too...do not steal do not murder do not false witness are all good laws...but do not covet was UNIQUE to a HOLY LAW and well obviously still binding...AS IT IS HIS ETERNAL LAW...He don’t change is the claim...

    You fail to accept the LAW is HIS CHARACTER and what life will be like WITH HIM...

    It is a description of the lifestyle we will live forever...

    delivered FROM the law not delivered OF the law...we are still to serve in the Sprit which has us follow the Law...to LOVE AS HE LOVED US...according to the still binding law...

    if the Law was done away with we WOULD NOT NEED GRACE...we are not under the curse of the Law...the death forever perished part...we still die but IN HIM ...NOT forever...

    ALL have sinned not just jews...LOL

    That Law remains and is the standard at judgement day when it will be judged if are you IN HIM doing as He did...or if you are just LORD! LORD! And NOT doing His Father’s will...

    right you are NO LONGER a slave to Sin but a slave to Him...every day dying to self your former ways and made alive to Him His ways...NOT a one time once saved always saved grace abounds to do what thou whilst..

    you missed he is clear he is not under the law...BECAUSE He is in Christ...therefore NOT UNDER ITS CURSE

    You ignore verse 21 which deals with goyim...to those not having TORAH he claims not having the law THOUGH HE IS NOT FREE FROM GOD’S LAW BUT IS UNDER CHRIST’S LAW...

    Now you just gotta show where the Son divides the house between His Laws and the alternate seperate contrarian Father’s law...

    I have not met any christian that thinks they can worship another god, make idols, blaspheme His name, dishonor parents, steal, kill, commit adultery, LIE (ironic) or covet...

    But ask about the Sabbath and then its “AWWW HELL NOOOO...we be under grace...OT abolished...that aint for us”...LOL


    Some claim the OT law is abolished some accept the NT retains 9...one law is optional...and then there are those so MAD there is any accountability at all now insist NONE apply to them...they are RAPTURED FROM THEM...



    Think NOT...our Master instructs...and yet...


    Again you fail to appreciate that thy are NOT 10 LAWS but descriptions of what it is WITH HIM...WHERE HE IS...on earth as it is in Heaven...THY will be done...not ours...

    Where He is there is no other god
    Where He is there is no images to corrupt into idol
    Where He is His name is USED
    Where He is the Sabbath is kept
    Where He is heirarchy is honored
    Where He is no killing, stealing, LIEing, adultery, coveting

    See? PERFECT...and HOLY...no change

    Even the Jerusalem council of 49 AD had goyim keep OT levitical dietary laws...James concluded that he expected these goyim to continue to hear Moses preached and read EVERY Sabbath...in every city...

    Paul was there and wrote his epistles after...you really expect him to live and teach contrary the jerusalem council too?


    Nothing at his trials was produced he either lived or taught the law changed...

    That was jewish false witness...
    You are bearing false witness against Paul, and you totally ignore his ministry.
    1 Corinthians 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

    Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:


    There is all the difference in the world between Law and Grace.
    Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

    Most importantly, you claim Paul's zealousness for the law, but you miss this....
    Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

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    • Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
      You are bearing false witness against Paul, and you totally ignore his ministry.
      Ummmm...Now I just showed you that NOT ONE EVIDENCE was presented that proved Paul taught the law was changed...not one jew testified nor one epistle written...that letter to the romans could have been presented BUT NOTHING...You follow the jewish false witness that Yahushua changed the customs delivered by Moses...Acts 6:13-14

      1 Corinthians 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
      right different administrations of the SAME LAW...of the SAME LORD...Lord of the Sabbath even...the irony...

      Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
      yes for centuries the jews kept the goyim from the promise and blessing they were to deliver...so Paul does it now...a blessing as even goyim sin and need salvation...as well the LAW STILL EXISTS...if the Law was abolished there would not be need of grace...sin would not be pointed out


      There is all the difference in the world between Law and Grace.
      Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
      right just as Noah had faith and then obeyed and then worked so did Abraham faith first then obedience and Moses and the Hebrews and so it goes...each had faith first...and well then was SAVED...

      From what? THE CURSE OF THE LAW...without which well grace would not be needed...

      Most importantly, you claim Paul's zealousness for the law, but you miss this....
      Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
      Yes we are delivered from the STILL BINDING LAW...it is NOT ABOLISHED...is WHY we need delivering...that when we serve AS HE DID we fulfill the Law because HE DID...and to LOVE AS HE DID is obedience to the IMMUTABLE LAW

      Is why the Law is good...HOLY...leads to Him...we are to establish the Law...that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us...Romans 8:4...

      Does our faith make it void? Certainly NOT...Romans 3:4...is it sin? GOD FORBID How would he have known sin Romans 7:7-25

      Christ is the TELOS of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth....Romans 10:4

      Look how Paul uses TELOS in Romans...


      Romans 6:21 N-NNS
      GRK: τὸ γὰρ τέλος ἐκείνων θάνατος
      NAS: ashamed? For the outcome of those things
      KJV: for the end of those things
      INT: the indeed end of those things [is] death

      Romans 6:22 N-NNS
      GRK: τὸ δὲ τέλος ζωὴν αἰώνιον
      NAS: in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal
      KJV: and the end everlasting
      INT: and [the] end [is] life eternal

      Romans 10:4 N-NNS
      GRK: τέλος γὰρ νόμου
      NAS: For Christ is the end of the law
      KJV: For Christ [is] the end of the law for
      INT: [the] end indeed of law

      Romans 13:7 N-ANS
      GRK: τῷ τὸ τέλος τὸ τέλος
      NAS: tax [is due]; custom to whom
      KJV: tribute [is due]; custom to whom
      INT: to whom the revenue the revenue

      Romans 13:7 N-ANS
      GRK: τέλος τὸ τέλος τῷ τὸν
      NAS: to whom custom; fear
      KJV: to whom custom; fear
      INT: revenue the revenue to whom the


      Neat eh? Christ is the outcome the revenue...of the Law...

      Is why Isaiah 66:23, Hebrews 4:9, Rev 22:14 (and not just jews BTW)

      Sorry your uncircumcised heart does not delight in His Law...His light burden...His easy yoke...
      Last edited by clefty; February 22nd, 2019, 05:20 AM.

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