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  • Originally posted by Bociferous View Post
    I can just feel the wonderful love of Jesus in this place, praise God!
    Me too. Paul was very clear on what to do with false teachers and false prophets to protect the body in love.
    My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
    Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
    Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
    Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
    No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

    ? Yep

    Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

    ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

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    • Originally posted by Bociferous View Post
      I can just feel the wonderful love of Jesus in this place, praise God!
      In the world it is called Tolerance, but in hell it is called Despair for it is the sin that believes in nothing, cares for nothing, seeks to know nothing,interferes with nothing, enjoys nothing, hates nothing, finds purpose in nothing, lives for nothing, and remains alive because there is nothing for which it will die.

      We shouldn’t judge people. This one we hear from both the world and the church. With the church it even comes complete with a proof-text, Matthew 7:1. While Jesus warns us to not be too quick to judge, to judge with charity, to judge in a manner we would like to be judged, even He is in this very text calling us to judge, but to judge well. A blanket condemnation of all judging is, well, condemning, and therefore judging. It is hoisted on its own petard.

      Christians shouldn’t divide over doctrine. The first question I have is, “Well, what should we divide over?” But the more foundational question is, “Who are the Christians?” There are issues that divide Christians. But there are also issues that divide Christians from non-Christians, some of whom actually claim to be Christians. Is claiming to be Christian sufficient to preclude division? Not according to the Bible. The New Testament tells us to have nothing to do with those who preach a different gospel (Galatians 1:8). That’s a doctrinal matter. It tells us we should have nothing to do with professing believers who are sexually immoral (I Corinthians 5). That’s a doctrinal matter. But worst of all, are not those who make this claim dividing themselves from Christians who believe we should divide over doctrine? The statement itself is doctrine, and is divisive.

      Rumor is that the Soviets when fighting in Afghanistan, in an effort to discourage the Afghans took to booby-trapping toys. I suspect these little nuggets of received wisdom I noted above are the devil’s own version of the same strategy. We play with these intellectual toys, but soon enough they blow up in our hands.

      Anyone here who feels compelled to push the boundaries on core doctrines won’t find some very welcoming. This may come across as some sort of fundamentalist fanaticism, but I do study the Scriptures daily, and I am transformed by them. I also remain convinced of the wisdom of the forefathers that came before us when I read what they have written and compare their writings to Scripture. Not a week goes by that someone somewhere decides they have a new view, new perspective, or new interpretation related to the fundamentals of our faith; despite their having withstood the test of time and painful examination for many, many, hundreds of years.

      Thus I become very concerned about discussions that start to challenge the core aspects of our faith. For those who see themselves as theological sophisticates, I would ask that these persons seek a more pastoral approach, rather than trying to be innovative. I recognize that within theological circles it seems that only if one is radical or a trail-blazer that they garner attention. But the constant plowing up of new ground is not what I see as the task of theology. Indeed, I am very content to stop, ponder, and be satisfied to walk in the same steps of those who have come before me. In fact, being more willing to so is what is needed today, versus demonstrations to others how wonderful a person’s insightful exegesis, logic, or sophisticated reasoning may be.

      There is nothing about the Christian faith about being silent in the face of incorrect doctrine or beliefs. Indeed, Christians are admonished to be alert, or suffer the consequences:

      Eze 33:6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, so that the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any one of them, that person is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman's hand.
      2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
      2Jn 1:8 Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward.

      In other words, Christians are to stand firm in the truth concerning the Lord Jesus Christ so that our labors will not have been in vain, and so that we will receive a full reward. False teachers must never be ignored by the faithful:

      2Jn 1:9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

      When John writes in 2 John 1:9, “goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ,” he is speaking of false teachers. To transgress is to go beyond the allowed bounds. That is what the cults do; they claim to have new light and teach doctrines that God has not revealed in His word. The cults do not stay within the bounds of the Christian revelation, or abide in the doctrine of Christ, meaning the teachings which Christ Himself brought. The apostle emphasizes in 2 John 1:9 that a cultist may claim to know God, but if he does not believe in the absolute deity and humanity of the Lord Jesus, he does not have God at all. We are solemnly admonished to avoid any association with false teachers.

      2 Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting,
      2 Jn 1:11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

      Christians must be alert to the "it is ok to believe whatever you want to believe as long as you are sincere" attitudes that are quickly dominating our world. To those persons I must say, "that just won't do".

      For me, religious pluralism does nothing but dilute the biblical message from Christianity’s God: that there is but one path to eternal redemption. In the spirit of 1 Pe. 3:16-17, I will continue to treat those that disagree with me respectfully and hope for rational and intelligent dialogue, but I won't ransom away what I believe in favor of some sort of ecumenical détente.

      Christ makes it very clear to us:

      Luk 12:51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.

      For me, Christ's words disprove any notions that Jesus came to unite all humanity (godly and ungodly) into a single "universal brotherhood of man." Rather, He divided them as they have never been divided before.

      AMR
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      • Oh really AMR?

        Maybe you should consider retirement? That's what the forefathers did.

        First of all not all of us are called to be watchmen on the wall. Some of us are actually called to

        "Tear down that wall!"

        Just like what happened to 70Jerusalem. So save your OT quotes for the circumcision.

        As for your pluralism

        You are here ain't ya?

        (But I will agree with you on the antichrist. That is an office held in trust for those who are Christ killers.)

        As to the universal brotherhood

        Your notion is an out right falsehood.

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        • Yeah the last post by the 'Calvinist' is supposed to be truth but that type of faith has lost touch with reality. It is closer to a form of Alzhimers than the recorder of the fathers. Very forgetful that.

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          • I have difficulty accepting Calvinism as being a legitimate form of Christianity. First of all in spite of the fact the Bible makes it quite clear that God's Grace is open to anyone who hears the Gospel and places their faith in Christ, the Calvinists insist on believing that God chose before the foundation of the world who would be saved and who would suffer eternal damnation. That doctrine is in conflict with the openness of God's purpose of desiring ALL to be saved. Christ died on the cross for the sins of ALL humanity. However, only those who hear the Gospel and place their faith in Christ will reap the benefits.

            Calvinists believe humanity is totally depraved and have no free-will to choose Christ as their Savior. The Calvinists (Reform Theology) believe that one must first be regenerated before receiving saving faith. It's the old "cart before the horse" example. Calvinism is a man made belief system that is in direct contradiction to the Holy Scriptures. I read and study the whole Bible and see humanities free-will throughout the Old and New Testament. A person would have to be blind not to see it? Yet, the Calvinists insist it's not there? It seems their indoctrination into the "system" has a blinding effect on their logic/reason? One of Calvinism's proponents was John Calvin himself. If you've ever read this man's history you'll see that he was a tyrannical man who was given a certain amount of power over the folks around him. He had the power of life and death over those who opposed his beliefs. He stands guilty of having several people burned at the stake. He also participated in the deaths of those he considered witches. Calvin desired that one of his victims be burned at the stake using green wood which burned more slowly and guaranteed a more lengthy and tortuous death.

            Calvin was called "The Pope of Geneva." He came out of the Catholic church but held onto some of the Catholic doctrines. It was said of him: "You can take Calvin out of the Catholic church but you cannot take the Catholic church out of John Calvin." He was a wicked and cruel individual. I've heard it said that his followers have the "spirit of Calvin." It has been my experience that Calvinists are usually, intelligent, arrogant, egocentric types. After all, they call themselves, "The Elect." Calvinism changes the character and intent of the God of the Bible in order for Him to fit into their "belief system." The Calvinist god isn't the same God that I see.

            I first heard the Gospel in 1963. I've been a believer since that time.

            I'm 65 now and still can't see the "Calvinist god" in the Scriptures? The Calvinist god doesn't resemble the God of the Bible. Granted, Calvinists are very intelligent "Wordsmiths" and can articulate their belief system extremely well, however, that doesn't make their "religion" correct. As for me, I'll stick with the God of the Bible.

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            • 65 huh?

              That's a long time to be lying about someone you know nothing about. In your case it ain't Alzhimers.

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              • Maybe you should face a little know fact?

                War is no place for about 99.9% of old people.

                Here is how to apply the above fact to the Christians.

                In God's dealings with Pharoh God hardened Pharoh's heart. (That is Calvinism.).

                As God continues to deal with His children their hearts are continually softened by the Father's hand. Old Christians can't help it. They generally end up soft hearted 'old fools'. Which is great in peace time.

                THERE IS NO PEACE SAITH MY GOD TO THE WICKED

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                • Originally posted by dialm View Post
                  65 huh?

                  That's a long time to be lying about someone you know nothing about. In your case it ain't Alzhimers.
                  I don't even understand what you just said? Are you an illiterate my fiend? By the way, you spelled Alzheimers wrong. It would probably best if you got some form of schooling?

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                  • Originally posted by dialm View Post
                    Maybe you should face a little know fact?

                    War is no place for about 99.9% of old people.

                    Here is how to apply the above fact to the Christians.

                    In God's dealings with Pharoh God hardened Pharoh's heart. (That is Calvinism.).

                    As God continues to deal with His children their hearts are continually softened by the Father's hand. Old Christians can't help it. They generally end up soft hearted 'old fools'. Which is great in peace time.

                    THERE IS NO PEACE SAITH MY GOD TO THE WICKED
                    You seem to dislike older folks? Are you in your 20s kid? If you're any older, I worry about your odd mindset.

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                    • Originally posted by dialm View Post
                      Yeah the last post by the 'Calvinist' is supposed to be truth but that type of faith has lost touch with reality. It is closer to a form of Alzhimers than the recorder of the fathers. Very forgetful that.
                      It would be best if you used "Spellcheck?" That way you wouldn't look like such a dolt. Get it? Probably not.

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                      • Originally posted by dialm View Post
                        65 huh?

                        That's a long time to be lying about someone you know nothing about. In your case it ain't Alzhimers.
                        You do realize that one need only study the history of historical figures in order to determine what kind of person they were, correct? Your poor spelling is giving you away.

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                        • Originally posted by dialm View Post
                          Oh really AMR?

                          Maybe you should consider retirement? That's what the forefathers did.

                          First of all not all of us are called to be watchmen on the wall. Some of us are actually called to

                          "Tear down that wall!"

                          Just like what happened to 70Jerusalem. So save your OT quotes for the circumcision.

                          As for your pluralism

                          You are here ain't ya?

                          (But I will agree with you on the antichrist. That is an office held in trust for those who are Christ killers.)

                          As to the universal brotherhood

                          Your notion is an out right falsehood.
                          You sure are an angry little curmudgeon.

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                          • Originally posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
                            In the world it is called Tolerance, but in hell it is called Despair for it is the sin that believes in nothing, cares for nothing, seeks to know nothing,interferes with nothing, enjoys nothing, hates nothing, finds purpose in nothing, lives for nothing, and remains alive because there is nothing for which it will die.

                            We shouldn’t judge people. This one we hear from both the world and the church. With the church it even comes complete with a proof-text, Matthew 7:1. While Jesus warns us to not be too quick to judge, to judge with charity, to judge in a manner we would like to be judged, even He is in this very text calling us to judge, but to judge well. A blanket condemnation of all judging is, well, condemning, and therefore judging. It is hoisted on its own petard.

                            Christians shouldn’t divide over doctrine. The first question I have is, “Well, what should we divide over?” But the more foundational question is, “Who are the Christians?” There are issues that divide Christians. But there are also issues that divide Christians from non-Christians, some of whom actually claim to be Christians. Is claiming to be Christian sufficient to preclude division? Not according to the Bible. The New Testament tells us to have nothing to do with those who preach a different gospel (Galatians 1:8). That’s a doctrinal matter. It tells us we should have nothing to do with professing believers who are sexually immoral (I Corinthians 5). That’s a doctrinal matter. But worst of all, are not those who make this claim dividing themselves from Christians who believe we should divide over doctrine? The statement itself is doctrine, and is divisive.

                            Rumor is that the Soviets when fighting in Afghanistan, in an effort to discourage the Afghans took to booby-trapping toys. I suspect these little nuggets of received wisdom I noted above are the devil’s own version of the same strategy. We play with these intellectual toys, but soon enough they blow up in our hands.

                            Anyone here who feels compelled to push the boundaries on core doctrines won’t find some very welcoming. This may come across as some sort of fundamentalist fanaticism, but I do study the Scriptures daily, and I am transformed by them. I also remain convinced of the wisdom of the forefathers that came before us when I read what they have written and compare their writings to Scripture. Not a week goes by that someone somewhere decides they have a new view, new perspective, or new interpretation related to the fundamentals of our faith; despite their having withstood the test of time and painful examination for many, many, hundreds of years.

                            Thus I become very concerned about discussions that start to challenge the core aspects of our faith. For those who see themselves as theological sophisticates, I would ask that these persons seek a more pastoral approach, rather than trying to be innovative. I recognize that within theological circles it seems that only if one is radical or a trail-blazer that they garner attention. But the constant plowing up of new ground is not what I see as the task of theology. Indeed, I am very content to stop, ponder, and be satisfied to walk in the same steps of those who have come before me. In fact, being more willing to so is what is needed today, versus demonstrations to others how wonderful a person’s insightful exegesis, logic, or sophisticated reasoning may be.

                            There is nothing about the Christian faith about being silent in the face of incorrect doctrine or beliefs. Indeed, Christians are admonished to be alert, or suffer the consequences:

                            Eze 33:6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, so that the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any one of them, that person is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman's hand.
                            2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
                            2Jn 1:8 Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward.

                            In other words, Christians are to stand firm in the truth concerning the Lord Jesus Christ so that our labors will not have been in vain, and so that we will receive a full reward. False teachers must never be ignored by the faithful:

                            2Jn 1:9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

                            When John writes in 2 John 1:9, “goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ,” he is speaking of false teachers. To transgress is to go beyond the allowed bounds. That is what the cults do; they claim to have new light and teach doctrines that God has not revealed in His word. The cults do not stay within the bounds of the Christian revelation, or abide in the doctrine of Christ, meaning the teachings which Christ Himself brought. The apostle emphasizes in 2 John 1:9 that a cultist may claim to know God, but if he does not believe in the absolute deity and humanity of the Lord Jesus, he does not have God at all. We are solemnly admonished to avoid any association with false teachers.

                            2 Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting,
                            2 Jn 1:11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

                            Christians must be alert to the "it is ok to believe whatever you want to believe as long as you are sincere" attitudes that are quickly dominating our world. To those persons I must say, "that just won't do".

                            For me, religious pluralism does nothing but dilute the biblical message from Christianity’s God: that there is but one path to eternal redemption. In the spirit of 1 Pe. 3:16-17, I will continue to treat those that disagree with me respectfully and hope for rational and intelligent dialogue, but I won't ransom away what I believe in favor of some sort of ecumenical détente.

                            Christ makes it very clear to us:

                            Luk 12:51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.

                            For me, Christ's words disprove any notions that Jesus came to unite all humanity (godly and ungodly) into a single "universal brotherhood of man." Rather, He divided them as they have never been divided before.

                            AMR
                            Luke 17:20-21 still stumps the cultured/reformed/domesticated and certified persona, The intent of scripture deals with the inward war that goes on in the mind seeded and perverted from birth by Babylonian culture, which is patronized sadly by those claiming to be spiritually aware of the Divine Laws that teach against impersonation, which why all who were born of the spirit received a new name/way, loyalty to this worlds system is a trap embraced by the institutional Churches that teach thunder concerning flesh and blood instead of the still small voice of the Spirit 1Cor 13.
                            Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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                            • Grosnic,

                              You know it's a long way to the top of TOL's heretic list, you are never going to make first place. It's your smell. You smell like you just spent several months in a nursing home. Tryin to recover from that old old Old Testament ailment of

                              ONCE CIRCUMCISED ALWAYS CIRCUMCISED

                              i opened a thread for you on the subject. If you can see it then why don't you go there.

                              As for this heretic list

                              I don't have even one relative in a nursing home as far as I know. But I bet there are a whole lot of posters here in this thread who enjoyed warehousing their parents. It was such a relief for them to get that aged monkey off their backs.

                              If you would like to know who the real heretics are I think you should go ask some of the residents in your local nursing home.

                              American heretics are people who warehouse old people like convicts.

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                              • Originally posted by Zeke View Post
                                Luke 17:20-21 still stumps the cultured/reformed/domesticated and certified persona,
                                No, the new-age message that you don't need anything and God is within is a heinous affront to the gospel and the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ becomes nothing more than a guru to follow rather than ZCreator and Savior of mankind.
                                This would have been terrible news for me, Zeke. I needed a new heart and I needed a Savior. I had a lot to be forgiven for and I had a lot of needed change that only a remake could allow.
                                Originally posted by Zeke View Post
                                The intent of scripture deals with the inward war that goes on in the mind seeded and perverted from birth by Babylonian culture, which is patronized sadly by those claiming to be spiritually aware of the Divine Laws that teach against impersonation, which why all who were born of the spirit received a new name/way, loyalty to this worlds system is a trap embraced by the institutional Churches that teach thunder concerning flesh and blood instead of the still small voice of the Spirit 1Cor 13.
                                It 'sounds' like you may have realized you needed a Savior and needed a new heart as well?

                                Sometimes I think you missed the forest for the trees attending some church somewhere that was perhaps not spiritually alive. Saul kicked against the Lord Jesus Christ, all the while thinking he was serving God in zeal. It seems you are caught doing similar but I'm convinced New-Age philosophy is no fitting match to Christianity.
                                My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                                Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                                Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                                Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                                No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                                Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                                ? Yep

                                Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                                ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                                Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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