The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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Aimiel

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Same thing was said about Jesus, same proud religious nuts tried to kill him, same story, different day. Life in the Christian bubble, an alternative reality, stuck in the past, the blind leading the blind. Like Jesus said, "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." Have faith in God, not book worship.
You're the one worshiping a book bub. AND disobeying God by listening to those who practice witchcraft by so doing. The Spirit of The Lord isn't in your false religion, the spirit of a devil is. It goes against sound doctrine, because it is doctrines of demons, not Truth at all.
 

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You're the one worshiping a book bub. AND disobeying God by listening to those who practice witchcraft by so doing. The Spirit of The Lord isn't in your false religion, the spirit of a devil is. It goes against sound doctrine, because it is doctrines of demons, not Truth at all.

Actually, the UB doesn’t claim to be written by God, neither does the Bible, that was left to the church who used that lie to control people, and those people in turn use the same lie to exploit fears and superstitions to control uneducated and unsuspecting believers. Or maybe your jealous that your false idol has been upstaged?

Aimiel, you would be happier in life if you looked within yourself to discover why you need to control others, why you are obsessed with imaginary demons and Satan and hell. You waste your time with all that Halloween stuff.




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... maybe your jealous that your false idol has been upstaged?
The Bible will NEVER fade away. Heaven and earth will, but The Word of God will stand FOREVER.
Aimiel, you would be happier in life if you looked within yourself to discover why you need to control others, why you are obsessed with imaginary demons and Satan and hell. You waste your time with all that Halloween stuff.
My happiness cannot be hampered. I'm not trying to control anyone; I'm trying to set men free from sin. Demons aren't imaginary, as the Urantia Book proves, being doctrines of demons, from cover-to-cover; having been channeled by demons. There is nothing more important on this earth than rescuing souls from hell. You're on your way there, in the high-speed lane, breaking all land-speed records and shaking trees and raking leaves on your journey. Repent! The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
 

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My question is: why do you, Aimiel, waste your precious time on this thread when all you seem to want to do is ferociously attack a book that you obviously have not read, nor are ready to? Why would you spend so much ENERGY calling something "evil", "demonic", that for many thousands is a very positive, very uplifting book that only verifies and expands certain knowledge about the Universe as well as about Jesus? The doctrines of Christianity are just that: doctrines. That does not make them "sound". The teachings OF Jesus, the ones that He actually taught, are very few and far between when it comes to the Church (Christian) actually living them out.

195:9.8 The world needs more firsthand religion. Even Christianity—the best of the religions of the twentieth century—is not only a religion about Jesus, but it is so largely one which men experience secondhand. They take their religion wholly as handed down by their accepted religious teachers. What an awakening the world would experience if it could only see Jesus as he really lived on earth and know, firsthand, his life-giving teachings! Descriptive words of things beautiful cannot thrill like the sight thereof, neither can creedal words inspire men's souls like the experience of knowing the presence of God. But expectant faith will ever keep the hope-door of man's soul open for the entrance of the eternal spiritual realities of the divine values of the worlds beyond.​

I pray that your anger will not impede you spiritual awakening (becoming conscious of God).
 

Aimiel

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My question is: why do you, Aimiel, waste your precious time on this thread when all you seem to want to do is ferociously attack a book that you obviously have not read, nor are ready to?
Same reason I would attack the Satanic Bible or any other book which opposes God and leads people away from Christ. I love The Lord and His Lambs are very important to me.
Why would you spend so much ENERGY calling something "evil", "demonic", that for many thousands is a very positive, very uplifting book that only verifies and expands certain knowledge about the Universe as well as about Jesus?
Your belief. You just expressed belief in words which aren't from God, don't lead to Truth and only offer to lead you away from Truth.
The doctrines of Christianity are just that: doctrines. That does not make them "sound". The teachings OF Jesus, the ones that He actually taught, are very few and far between when it comes to the Church (Christian) actually living them out.
That has nothing to do with His Words being Truth. Sound doctrine is only found in The Holy Scriptures. The garbage in the Urantia Book is lies. There is no Truth in it.
The world needs more firsthand religion. Even Christianity—the best of the religions of the twentieth century—is not only a religion about Jesus, but it is so largely one which men experience secondhand. They take their religion wholly as handed down by their accepted religious teachers.
Hogwash. Those of us who are born again actually see The Kingdom, we don't have to merely hear words 'about' it from others.
Descriptive words of things beautiful cannot thrill like the sight thereof, neither can creedal words inspire men's souls like the experience of knowing the presence of God. But expectant faith will ever keep the hope-door of man's soul open for the entrance of the eternal spiritual realities of the divine values of the worlds beyond.
Worlds? As in multiple gods, multiple realities? :kookoo:
I pray that your anger will not impede you spiritual awakening (becoming conscious of God).
What makes you think I'm angry? Are you a mindreader? If you are, you're not a very good one. :chuckle:

I'm wide awake, thank you very much. I'm born again. I only wish I could say the same for you and for Paul, and for anyone who follows the Urantia Book.
 

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Nothing should be considered sacred in science. The UB has set in concrete some ideas that are right and some that have been shown to be wrong. That is useless.


Yes, the stuff that is wrong needs careful interpretation to save face.


The main reason is that the authors of the Book of Plagiarism did not write anything unambiguous that had not already been discovered.

Stuart
Stuu, to you science and the material world is all that is real, the UB is explaining that the material world is only one aspect of reality, that any scientific investigation should consider the whole of reality.

I provided new discoveries already mentioned in the UB in 1955, your pride won’t allow you to accept them. Maybe you could win a Nobel prize if you tried to prove some of what it says.

Here is a link with a bunch of interesting stuff in it about UB statements. Maybe Stuu you could try something that would be revolutionary for you, try finding something right instead of something wrong????? Try to see where this great plagiaristic fraud actually nailed something that could not have been known.


http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=101



AGE OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM​


The Urantia Book tells us that the events triggering the formation of the solar system occurred 4.5 billion years ago. During the early 1950's, and based on the work of Edwin Hubble, the generally accepted age of the universe was just 2 billion years. Then Baade's work at Mt. Wilson revealed an error in Hubble's methodology effectively doubling the age of the universe, and causing great hilarity in the American press at that time. Most astronomers now put the age of the universe at about 15-18 billion years (this idea may change drastically with the apparent collapse of the Big Bang theory). Radio-isotope dating of meteoric material now puts the age of the solar system at about 4.55 billion years, which is virtually the same age as told by The Urantia Book.
REFERENCES: The Urantia Book, page 655. Kaufmann "The Universe"

MARSUPIALS​


The January issue of Scientific American (1985) p.60 discusses whether marsupials originated in Australia and radiated via Antarctica to the Americas thence Europe or the reverse. It is stated that the marsupials flourished about 50 million years ago, and comments that proponents of continental drift think that Australia was connected to S America about that time. The Urantia Book tells us that the ancestors of the kangaroos roamed Australia 45 million years ago, and that 35 million years ago the southern land bridge was extensive, reconnecting the then enormous Antarctic continent with South America, South Africa, and Australia.

Marsupial fossils have been found in Australia in strata designated as Upper Oligocene (about 35-40 million years ago), and in America in strata from the Cretaceous more than 65 million years ago. The fossil evidence indicates that marsupials could not have reached Australia from Asia or from Africa.

Recently marsupial fossils have been found on Seymour Island in Antarctica None of this is too surprising in 1990, but remember that when the Urantia Papers were received, virtually nobody believed in the concept of continental drift, and the notion that animals could migrate between Australia and America via Antarctica would have seemed utterly preposterous.
REFERENCES: The Urantia Book, pages 694, 695; Scientific American 1985, January issue, p.60; "The Evolving Earth" (British Museum, Ed.L.R.M. Cocks, 198 1) (Cambridge University Press)

THE RED MAN TO THE AMERICAS​

The Urantia Book tells us that the red man crossed from Asia to America 85,000 years ago. Until recently, most anthropologists believed that the Americas had been inhabited by humans for no more than 12,000 years. This date has been pushed back to 30-40,000 years.
REFERENCES: Scientific American, 249,(6),1985; Scientific American, 258(6),22. 1988.


THE DATE OF THE CRUCIFIXION​


The four gospels in the New Testament indicate that Jesus was executed on a Friday afternoon on the 14th or 15th day of the Jewish month of Nisan, during the period from A.D.25 to A.D.36 when Pontius Pilate was procurator of Judea. So all that needs to be done is to find the Fridays that occurred in that interval. Such an investigation isolates 6 dates. From these, four can be eliminated from other chronological evidence, leaving the choice between two dates, April 7th in the year A.D.30 and April 3rd in A.D.33. Both correspond to the 14th day of Nisan in agreement with the gospel of John.

Many investigations including a recent one by Humphries and Waddington from Oxford University have chosen April 3rd, A.D.33, a major reason being that a partial lunar eclipse occurred on that evening. When Peter addressed a crowd seven weeks after the crucifixion, he reminded them of a prophecy by Joel, "that the sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood" (Acts 2.20). A deep eclipse can indeed turn the moon blood-red, so the co-incidence of an eclipse for one of the dates has long been seen as a strong argument for April 3rd, A.D.33.

It is no simple matter to calculate these dates because of so many variables that must be taken into account. In modern times, this is done with the aid of computers using an algorithm that includes such factors as the brightness of the moon and sky and the physiology of the eye. The most recent effort by Bradley E. Schaeffer extends an algorithm by Bruin to include variations in the clarity of the air. These modern calculations rule out the role of the eclipse because it could not have been seen from Jerusalem during any phase when it could redden the moon, hence collapsing the main support for April 3rd, A.D.33.

The Urantia Papers, received long before computers became available for such calculations, tell us that Jesus was crucified on Friday, April 7, A.D.30.
REFERENCES: 6-0-6 Newsletter 1987, vol. 8(2); Cosmic Reflections 1989, vol. 2 (2); Humphries and Waddington, Science News, Vol. 125, January 1984; Schaeffer, B.E., Sky and Telescope, April 1989.




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The Bible will NEVER fade away. Heaven and earth will, but The Word of God will stand FOREVER.My happiness cannot be hampered. I'm not trying to control anyone; I'm trying to set men free from sin. Demons aren't imaginary, as the Urantia Book proves, being doctrines of demons, from cover-to-cover; having been channeled by demons. There is nothing more important on this earth than rescuing souls from hell. You're on your way there, in the high-speed lane, breaking all land-speed records and shaking trees and raking leaves on your journey. Repent! The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.


Trick or treat....


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Aimiel

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You make light of that which holds you in invisible chains of darkess, which can be exposed and removed by The One Whom you claim to be seeking.
 

Aimiel

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Men and even all the combined forces of hell can't frighten one who trusts in and fears The One Who has The Power to cast body and soul into hell.
 

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Men and even all the combined forces of hell can't frighten one who trusts in and fears The One Who has The Power to cast body and soul into hell.

Already saved Aimiel, long ago.

This is getting old, isnt there another thread where you can judge people?


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Aimiel

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Already saved Aimiel, long ago. This is getting old, isnt there another thread where you can judge people?
All you received when you received Christ was His Presence in your life, and commitment to never leave you or forsake you. Your choice to forsake Him is what has brought you away from Christianity, not Him. Your commitment to be a follower of Christ isn't evident. You're not able to serve two masters. Choose which one you want. Choose life. Repent.
 

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All you received when you received Christ was His Presence in your life, and commitment to never leave you or forsake you. Your choice to forsake Him is what has brought you away from Christianity, not Him. Your commitment to be a follower of Christ isn't evident. You're not able to serve two masters. Choose which one you want. Choose life. Repent.

"Aimiel".....the judge of who is saved and who is not.

God knows my heart; he knows exactly where i am. Christianity left Jesus long ago; it is a mere shadow of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven.

Your arrogance is only eclipsed by the shallowness of your message.

Back on the ignore you go, so don’t bother.


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Aimiel

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My message may be the last warning you receive before falling headlong into hell. It's deep enough.
 

freelight

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enlighten yourself..............

enlighten yourself..............

Demons aren't imaginary, as the Urantia Book proves, being doctrines of demons, from cover-to-cover; having been channeled by demons.

You continue to show your ignorance of what the UB is and teaches.

Educate yourself on the subject at hand if you want to dialogue - its a basic courtesy and purpose of the forum here.

Urantia Book Fellowship


All interested are encouraged to
Start with the first few Papers on the Nature of God for starters
as these exalt, honor and expound on His glorious Personality, and further a most wonderful treatise on the Trinity is given as well (Paper 10). This is basic to understanding the cosmology of the Grand Universe per this Revelation, which builds upon the all former revelations (the Bible and other inspired works).
The Universal Father, Eternal Son and Infinite Spirit...are all explained individually, as well as their unique and sovereign constitution as the Paradise Trinity. (See below)

Foreword

1. The Universal Father
2. The Nature of God
3. The Attributes of God
4. God's Relation to the Universe
5. God's Relation to the Individual
6. The Eternal Son
7. Relation of the Eternal Son to the Universe
8. The Infinite Spirit
9. Relation of the Infinite Spirit to the Universe
10. The Paradise Trinity
11. The Eternal Isle of Paradise
12. The Universe of Universes


Go to Index - Note that listed above are only the first 12 Papers of 196, a huge tome of various subjects and ending in Part 4, on the life, ministry and teachings of Jesus.

The entire contents and context of the Revelation are God-honoring and Christ-exalting!

Online study-edition also has 'audio' version of the text here.




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THE MYSTERY CULTS​

98:4.1 The majority of people in the Greco-Roman world, having lost their primitive family and state religions and being unable or unwilling to grasp the meaning of Greek philosophy, turned their attention to the spectacular and emotional mystery cults from Egypt and the Levant. The common people craved promises of salvation—religious consolation for today and assurances of hope for immortality after death.

98:4.2 The three mystery cults which became most popular were:
1. The Phrygian cult of Cybele and her son Attis.
2. The Egyptian cult of Osiris and his mother Isis.
3. The Iranian cult of the worship of Mithras as the savior and redeemer of sinful mankind.

98:4.3 The Phrygian and Egyptian mysteries taught that the divine son (respectively Attis and Osiris) had experienced death and had been resurrected by divine power, and further that all who were properly initiated into the mystery, and who reverently celebrated the anniversary of the god's death and resurrection, would thereby become partakers of his divine nature and his immortality.

98:4.4 The Phrygian ceremonies were imposing but degrading; their bloody festivals indicate how degraded and primitive these Levantine mysteries became. The most holy day was Black Friday, the "day of blood," commemorating the self-inflicted death of Attis. After three days of the celebration of the sacrifice and death of Attis the festival was turned to joy in honor of his resurrection.

98:4.5 The rituals of the worship of Isis and Osiris were more refined and impressive than were those of the Phrygian cult. This Egyptian ritual was built around the legend of the Nile god of old, a god who died and was resurrected, which concept was derived from the observation of the annually recurring stoppage of vegetation growth followed by the springtime restoration of all living plants. The frenzy of the observance of these mystery cults and the orgies of their ceremonials, which were supposed to lead up to the "enthusiasm" of the realization of divinity, were sometimes most revolting.


THE CULT OF MITHRAS​

98:5.1 The Phrygian and Egyptian mysteries eventually gave way before the greatest of all the mystery cults, the worship of Mithras. The Mithraic cult made its appeal to a wide range of human nature and gradually supplanted both of its predecessors. Mithraism spread over the Roman Empire through the propagandizing of Roman legions recruited in the Levant, where this religion was the vogue, for they carried this belief wherever they went. And this new religious ritual was a great improvement over the earlier mystery cults.

98:5.2 The cult of Mithras arose in Iran and long persisted in its homeland despite the militant opposition of the followers of Zoroaster. But by the time Mithraism reached Rome, it had become greatly improved by the absorption of many of Zoroaster's teachings. It was chiefly through the Mithraic cult that Zoroaster's religion exerted an influence upon later appearing Christianity.

98:5.3 The Mithraic cult portrayed a militant god taking origin in a great rock, engaging in valiant exploits, and causing water to gush forth from a rock struck with his arrows. There was a flood from which one man escaped in a specially built boat and a last supper which Mithras celebrated with the sun-god before he ascended into the heavens. This sun-god, or Sol Invictus, was a degeneration of the Ahura-Mazda deity concept of Zoroastrianism. Mithras was conceived as the surviving champion of the sun-god in his struggle with the god of darkness. And in recognition of his slaying the mythical sacred bull, Mithras was made immortal, being exalted to the station of intercessor for the human race among the gods on high.

98:5.4 The adherents of this cult worshiped in caves and other secret places, chanting hymns, mumbling magic, eating the flesh of the sacrificial animals, and drinking the blood. Three times a day they worshiped, with special weekly ceremonials on the day of the sun-god and with the most elaborate observance of all on the annual festival of Mithras, December twenty-fifth. It was believed that the partaking of the sacrament ensured eternal life, the immediate passing, after death, to the bosom of Mithras, there to tarry in bliss until the judgment day. On the judgment day the Mithraic keys of heaven would unlock the gates of Paradise for the reception of the faithful; whereupon all the unbaptized of the living and the dead would be annihilated upon the return of Mithras to earth. It was taught that, when a man died, he went before Mithras for judgment, and that at the end of the world Mithras would summon all the dead from their graves to face the last judgment. The wicked would be destroyed by fire, and the righteous would reign with Mithras forever.

98:5.5 At first it was a religion only for men, and there were seven different orders into which believers could be successively initiated. Later on, the wives and daughters of believers were admitted to the temples of the Great Mother, which adjoined the Mithraic temples. The women's cult was a mixture of Mithraic ritual and the ceremonies of the Phrygian cult of Cybele, the mother of Attis.


MITHRAISM AND CHRISTIANITY​

98:6.1 Prior to the coming of the mystery cults and Christianity, personal religion hardly developed as an independent institution in the civilized lands of North Africa and Europe; it was more of a family, city-state, political, and imperial affair. The Hellenic Greeks never evolved a centralized worship system; the ritual was local; they had no priesthood and no "sacred book." Much as the Romans, their religious institutions lacked a powerful driving agency for the preservation of higher moral and spiritual values. While it is true that the institutionalization of religion has usually detracted from its spiritual quality, it is also a fact that no religion has thus far succeeded in surviving without the aid of institutional organization of some degree, greater or lesser.

98:6.2 Occidental religion thus languished until the days of the Skeptics, Cynics, Epicureans, and Stoics, but most important of all, until the times of the great contest between Mithraism and Paul's new religion of Christianity.

98:6.3 During the third century after Christ, Mithraic and Christian churches were very similar both in appearance and in the character of their ritual. A majority of such places of worship were underground, and both contained altars whose backgrounds variously depicted the sufferings of the savior who had brought salvation to a sin-cursed human race.

98:6.4 Always had it been the practice of Mithraic worshipers, on entering the temple, to dip their fingers in holy water. And since in some districts there were those who at one time belonged to both religions, they introduced this custom into the majority of the Christian churches in the vicinity of Rome. Both religions employed baptism and partook of the sacrament of bread and wine. The one great difference between Mithraism and Christianity, aside from the characters of Mithras and Jesus, was that the one encouraged militarism while the other was ultrapacific. Mithraism's tolerance for other religions (except later Christianity) led to its final undoing. But the deciding factor in the struggle between the two was the admission of women into the full fellowship of the Christian faith.

98:6.5 In the end the nominal Christian faith dominated the Occident. Greek philosophy supplied the concepts of ethical value; Mithraism, the ritual of worship observance; and Christianity, as such, the technique for the conservation of moral and social values.


THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION​

98:7.1 A Creator Son did not incarnate in the likeness of mortal flesh and bestow himself upon the humanity of Urantia to reconcile an angry God but rather to win all mankind to the recognition of the Father's love and to the realization of their sonship with God. After all, even the great advocate of the atonement doctrine realized something of this truth, for he declared that "God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself."

98:7.2 It is not the province of this paper to deal with the origin and dissemination of the Christian religion. Suffice it to say that it is built around the person of Jesus of Nazareth, the humanly incarnate Michael Son of Nebadon, known to Urantia as the Christ, the anointed one. Christianity was spread throughout the Levant and Occident by the followers of this Galilean, and their missionary zeal equaled that of their illustrious predecessors, the Sethites and Salemites, as well as that of their earnest Asiatic contemporaries, the Buddhist teachers.

98:7.3 The Christian religion, as a Urantian system of belief, arose through the compounding of the following teachings, influences, beliefs, cults, and personal individual attitudes:
98:7.4 1. The Melchizedek teachings, which are a basic factor in all the religions of Occident and Orient that have arisen in the last four thousand years.
98:7.5 2. The Hebraic system of morality, ethics, theology, and belief in both Providence and the supreme Yahweh.
98:7.6 3. The Zoroastrian conception of the struggle between cosmic good and evil, which had already left its imprint on both Judaism and Mithraism. Through prolonged contact attendant upon the struggles between Mithraism and Christianity, the doctrines of the Iranian prophet became a potent factor in determining the theologic and philosophic cast and structure of the dogmas, tenets, and cosmology of the Hellenized and Latinized versions of the teachings of Jesus.
98:7.7 4. The mystery cults, especially Mithraism, but also the worship of the Great Mother in the Phrygian cult. Even the legends of the birth of Jesus on Urantia became tainted with the Roman version of the miraculous birth of the Iranian savior-hero, Mithras, whose advent on earth was supposed to have been witnessed by only a handful of gift-bearing shepherds who had been informed of this impending event by angels.
98:7.8 5. The historic fact of the human life of Joshua ben Joseph, the reality of Jesus of Nazareth as the glorified Christ, the Son of God.
98:7.9 6. The personal viewpoint of Paul of Tarsus. And it should be recorded that Mithraism was the dominant religion of Tarsus during his adolescence. Paul little dreamed that his well-intentioned letters to his converts would someday be regarded by still later Christians as the "word of God." Such well-meaning teachers must not be held accountable for the use made of their writings by later-day successors.
98:7.10 7. The philosophic thought of the Hellenistic peoples, from Alexandria and Antioch through Greece to Syracuse and Rome. The philosophy of the Greeks was more in harmony with Paul's version of Christianity than with any other current religious system and became an important factor in the success of Christianity in the Occident. Greek philosophy, coupled with Paul's theology, still forms the basis of European ethics.

98:7.11 As the original teachings of Jesus penetrated the Occident, they became Occidentalized, and as they became Occidentalized, they began to lose their potentially universal appeal to all races and kinds of men. Christianity, today, has become a religion well adapted to the social, economic, and political mores of the white races. It has long since ceased to be the religion of Jesus, although it still valiantly portrays a beautiful religion about Jesus to such individuals as sincerely seek to follow in the way of its teaching. It has glorified Jesus as the Christ, the Messianic anointed one from God, but has largely forgotten the Master's personal gospel: the Fatherhood of God and the universal brotherhood of all men.



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Stuu, to you science and the material world is all that is real, the UB is explaining that the material world is only one aspect of reality, that any scientific investigation should consider the whole of reality.
Just read that again and let it sink in. Maybe eventually you will see what a self-contradictory statement it is.

I provided new discoveries already mentioned in the UB in 1955,
No you didn’t.

your pride won’t allow you to accept them. Maybe you could win a Nobel prize if you tried to prove some of what it says.
You don’t get Nobel Prizes in the sciences for proving things. That wouldn’t be science.

Here is a link with a bunch of interesting stuff in it about UB statements. Maybe Stuu you could try something that would be revolutionary for you, try finding something right instead of something wrong????? Try to see where this great plagiaristic fraud actually nailed something that could not have been known.
You want me to bend language to breaking point to reinterpret poor sci-fi fantasy stories in terms of real discoveries? Sounds like creationism to me.

The Urantia Book tells us that the events triggering the formation of the solar system occurred 4.5 billion years ago.
Nope. It says 6 billion.

During the early 1950's, and based on the work of Edwin Hubble, the generally accepted age of the universe was just 2 billion years. Then Baade's work at Mt. Wilson revealed an error in Hubble's methodology effectively doubling the age of the universe, and causing great hilarity in the American press at that time. Most astronomers now put the age of the universe at about 15-18 billion years (this idea may change drastically with the apparent collapse of the Big Bang theory). Radio-isotope dating of meteoric material now puts the age of the solar system at about 4.55 billion years, which is virtually the same age as told by The Urantia Book.
You don’t mention the fact that the Book of Plagiarism contains great fantasy discussions about what happened 987 billion years ago, which is 973 billion years before the universe existed.

The January issue of Scientific American (1985) p.60 discusses whether marsupials originated in Australia and radiated via Antarctica to the Americas thence Europe or the reverse. It is stated that the marsupials flourished about 50 million years ago, and comments that proponents of continental drift think that Australia was connected to S America about that time. The Urantia Book tells us that the ancestors of the kangaroos roamed Australia 45 million years ago, and that 35 million years ago the southern land bridge was extensive, reconnecting the then enormous Antarctic continent with South America, South Africa, and Australia.

Marsupial fossils have been found in Australia in strata designated as Upper Oligocene (about 35-40 million years ago), and in America in strata from the Cretaceous more than 65 million years ago. The fossil evidence indicates that marsupials could not have reached Australia from Asia or from Africa.

Recently marsupial fossils have been found on Seymour Island in Antarctica None of this is too surprising in 1990, but remember that when the Urantia Papers were received, virtually nobody believed in the concept of continental drift, and the notion that animals could migrate between Australia and America via Antarctica would have seemed utterly preposterous.
“Virtually no one believed” is a disingenuous statement, and a logical fallacy. Wegener had come up with continental drift well before his death in 1930, and it was matching fossil evidence on different continents that were key to Wegener’s discoveries. Whether the authors of the Book of Plagiarism decided to steal it against majority opinion or not should not impress anyone. Are you saying their theft without due credit was somehow brave?? In 1955 continental drift was gaining ground fast, and it was well established by 1957.

The Urantia Book tells us that the red man crossed from Asia to America 85,000 years ago. Until recently, most anthropologists believed that the Americas had been inhabited by humans for no more than 12,000 years. This date has been pushed back to 30-40,000 years.
It certainly has not been "pushed back" to 40,000 years. The best evidence still says 13,000 years. The Book of Plagiarism gives a time of American human inhabitation about twice as long as the longest seriously considered by any expert, and is therefore wrong.

The four gospels in the New Testament indicate that Jesus was executed on a Friday afternoon on the 14th or 15th day of the Jewish month of Nisan, during the period from A.D.25 to A.D.36 when Pontius Pilate was procurator of Judea. So all that needs to be done is to find the Fridays that occurred in that interval. Such an investigation isolates 6 dates. From these, four can be eliminated from other chronological evidence, leaving the choice between two dates, April 7th in the year A.D.30 and April 3rd in A.D.33. Both correspond to the 14th day of Nisan in agreement with the gospel of John.

Many investigations including a recent one by Humphries and Waddington from Oxford University have chosen April 3rd, A.D.33, a major reason being that a partial lunar eclipse occurred on that evening. When Peter addressed a crowd seven weeks after the crucifixion, he reminded them of a prophecy by Joel, "that the sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood" (Acts 2.20). A deep eclipse can indeed turn the moon blood-red, so the co-incidence of an eclipse for one of the dates has long been seen as a strong argument for April 3rd, A.D.33.

It is no simple matter to calculate these dates because of so many variables that must be taken into account. In modern times, this is done with the aid of computers using an algorithm that includes such factors as the brightness of the moon and sky and the physiology of the eye. The most recent effort by Bradley E. Schaeffer extends an algorithm by Bruin to include variations in the clarity of the air. These modern calculations rule out the role of the eclipse because it could not have been seen from Jerusalem during any phase when it could redden the moon, hence collapsing the main support for April 3rd, A.D.33.

The Urantia Papers, received long before computers became available for such calculations, tell us that Jesus was crucified on Friday, April 7, A.D.30.
REFERENCES: 6-0-6 Newsletter 1987, vol. 8(2); Cosmic Reflections 1989, vol. 2 (2); Humphries and Waddington, Science News, Vol. 125, January 1984; Schaeffer, B.E., Sky and Telescope, April 1989.
Perhaps you would like to demonstrate that Jesus actually existed and was really executed by the Romans before you try to convince us with mythology.

Stuart
 

Aimiel

Well-known member
You continue to show your ignorance of what the UB is and teaches.
Those who don't realize that the UB is from hell, sent via a demon, to a medium or sorcerer, are being ignorant of Truth.
Educate yourself on the subject at hand if you want to dialogue - its a basic courtesy and purpose of the forum here.
I've studied enough to realize the Truth of the UB. It doesn't contain any.
All interested are encouraged to
Start with the first few Papers on the Nature of God for starters as these exalt, honor and expound on His glorious Personality, and further a most wonderful treatise on the Trinity is given as well (Paper 10).
I don't buy any 'trinity' theories.
The Universal Father...
Though every man is descended from Adam, it doesn't make God their father. Mankind lost fellowship with God in the garden, due to sin. Only through Christ is it available. No Truth about Christ or God is available in the UB.
The entire contents and context of the Revelation are God-honoring and Christ-exalting!
Being contrary to God's Word by being demonic doctrine, the entire UB is beyond suspicion: it is demonic. That cannot honor God or Christ.
 

Caino

BANNED
Banned
Stuu,

You're wrong again, but its understandable seeing how you have not read this 2000 page book that you so vehemently disagree with.


5. ORIGIN OF MONMATIA—
THE URANTIA SOLAR SYSTEM

57:5.1 5,000,000,000 years ago your sun was a comparatively isolated blazing orb, having gathered to itself most of the near-by circulating matter of space, remnants of the recent upheaval which attended its own birth.

57:5.2 Today, your sun has achieved relative stability, but its eleven and one-half year sunspot cycles betray that it was a variable star in its youth. In the early days of your sun the continued contraction and consequent gradual increase of temperature initiated tremendous convulsions on its surface. These titanic heaves required three and one-half days to complete a cycle of varying brightness. This variable state, this periodic pulsation, rendered your sun highly responsive to certain outside influences which were to be shortly encountered.

57:5.3 Thus was the stage of local space set for the unique origin of Monmatia, that being the name of your sun's planetary family, the solar system to which your world belongs. Less than one per cent of the planetary systems of Orvonton have had a similar origin.

57:5.4 4,500,000,000 years ago the enormous Angona system began its approach to the neighborhood of this solitary sun. The center of this great system was a dark giant of space, solid, highly charged, and possessing tremendous gravity pull.

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• Continental drift theory was OUT OF FAVOR at the time of the UB, for them to rely exclusively on it would have been unwise, yet I think you lack wisdom and are overwhelmed with pride, therefore these clues elude you.


• The most recent validation of science with the UB was the discovery concerning the Fox Hall peoples in England

It certainly has not been "pushed back" to 40,000 years. The best evidence still says 13,000 years. The Book of Plagiarism gives a time of American human inhabitation about twice as long as the longest seriously considered by any expert, and is therefore wrong.

Go back to school and learn how to do research, you're out of the loop!

New Evidence Puts Man In North America 50,000 Years Ago
Science Daily

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041118104010.htm



Source Wiki

Timeline of archeological, geological and genetic evidence
Further information: Archaeology of the Americas and Late Glacial Maximum

40,000 B.C. – 25,000 B.C.

Paleolithic people move into Beringia across the Bering Land Bridge into western Alaska.[8][22]
Bison (buffalo), mammoths, and mastodons are thought to have migrated from Asia to America about this time. This would imply a land bridge between the continents that would have had a food supply.[23]

30,000–20,000 years ago:
Mammoth bones, believed to have been chipped by humans, are found at the Yukon's Bluefish Caves[24] and Old Crow Flats[25] sites in the 1970s and 1980s by archeologist Jacques Cinq-Mars and his team.[26]


In 2004, Albert Goodyear of the South Carolina Institute of Archaeology and Anthropology announced that radiocarbon dating of a bit of charcoal found in the Topper Site near Allendale County, South Carolina.[27] However, these deposits may have been made by forest fires.[27]

(Note: The dates given for the Old Crow and Topper digs have not been completely accepted by the archaeology community.)[10][28]

Geneticists have variously estimated that peoples of Asia and the Americas were part of the same population from 21,000 to 42,000 years ago.[9]

Ice-free corridor running north and south through Alberta and the continental glacier called Laurentide ice sheet. Introduced by geologists in the 1950s when stone tools were found in the Grimshaw, Bow River and in Lethbridge Alberta, under glacial sand and gravel are believed to be pre-glacial and therefore may indicate nomadic humans occupied the area.[29] A child's skull found in 1961 near Taber, Alberta is believed to be one of the oldest inhabitants discovered in Alberta.[30]

(Note: The conclusions reached in Alberta on dates have not been accepted by the entire archaeology community.)[31]

Siberian mammoth hunters believed to have penetrated far into the Arctic where ice-free corridors north during the time are believed found. Theory first introduced by geologist in the late 1970s when core samples indicate ice is no older than 17,000 year old.[14]

23,000–16,500 years ago:
The Ice Age entombs the northern hemisphere in glaciers, cutting off routes from Siberia to the south.[32]

2002 the presence of the X haplogroup was found in a small percentage of modern indigenous Americans that is known to exist in a few locations in Europe and the Middle East. Subsequent research indicated that the European DNA was not the result of genetic mixing after Columbus. However the time estimates on haplogroup X entering Americas is around 15,000 to 20,000 years ago.[33]

Genetic evidence (2007–2009) suggests the Beringia population first genetic diversification from Asian populations occurred.[34] An article in the American Journal of Human Genetics states "Here we show, by using 86 complete mitochondrial genomes, that all Native American haplogroups, including haplogroup X, were part of a single founding population.[9][34][35]

16,500–13,000 years ago:
Geologists report this is when receding glaciers reopened an ice-free corridor through Canada between Alaska and the rest of the Americas. Massive flooding would have created large lakes covering vast areas of north America with glacial waters.[36]
Age estimates based on Y-chromosome micro-satellite place diversity of the American Q-Haplo at around 10,000 to 15,000 years ago.[19]
Mass extinction of large fauna begins due to climate change and perhaps hunting. The Dire Wolf, Smilodon, Cave Lion, Giant beaver, Ground sloth, Mammoth, American Mastodon, American Camel, American Equine, and American lion all become extinct by 11,000 years ago.[37]
Pre-Clovis sites uncovered from 1973-1978 Meadowcroft Rockshelter in Pennsylvania site indicated occupancy as early as 16,000 years ago and possibly as long as 19,000 years ago. Dates in excess of 19,000 years have been claimed for the deepest occupation layer uncovered.[38]
pre-Clovis sites found in Monte Verde, located along Chinchihuapi Creek, in Chile. A crew of eighty people, led by Tom Dillehay of the University of Kentucky, excavated the site from 1977-1985.[39] A coastal migration could explain how people arrived in Monte Verde.[39]
2000, archaeologists say people were living at Cactus Hill, Virginia where stone tools and charcoal from a fire pit are found.[40]





Caino
 

ThePresbyteers

New member
Not familiar with all the dynamic of 'sliders', but some appear to have some conductivity of energy working within and without their 'aura' that affects electrical devices, lights, etc. This is just various energies inter-acting with each other other somehow. If someone could do this at will, then we would research the relationship of energy with 'consciousness', another chapter :)



pj

That would be me. I've already crossed the streams. There many ways to get there but I learn the technique , personally , from the 15th head of the largest sect in China. The Chinese have their ancient ways. Yes, I can effect electronic devices at will. That was years ago and I've moved on to other things.
I'm now more into cultivating my energies to cure cancer and other serious aliments.
 
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