The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[Caino]

Show me one example from your arrogant and thieving book where an established scientific principle is attributed to the scientist who discovered or developed it. Just to get you started, I can tell you that the names of the three most significant contributors of the past two centuries in each of physics, chemistry and biology, Einstein, Rutherford and Darwin, do not appear anywhere in it.

It arrogantly and thievingly fails to attribute their their brilliant work to them, and insults the risks they took in the pursuit of knowledge that benefits us all.

That reflects poorly on the character of every person who quotes it.

Shall I lift paragraphs from your posts and attribute them to the Sesame Street Cookie Monster?

Stuart

The authority behind the UB created the principles that these great men you cite merely discovered. You talk as if they invented them and due homage should be paid. Maybe they should appropriately credit God for that which already existed and they merely observe????

What about the late "discoveries" which were already reveled in the UB but science is only now realizing? Urantia Foundation does not demand credit for those things.

The science in the UB is in some cases totally different then currently accepted norms.

"Einstein denied several times that black holes could form. In 1939 he published a paper that argues that a star collapsing would spin faster and faster, spinning at the speed of light with infinite energy well before the point where it is about to collapse into a black hole. This paper received no citations, and the conclusions are well understood to be wrong. Einstein’s argument itself is inconclusive, since he only shows that stable spinning objects have to spin faster and faster to stay stable before the point where they collapse. But it is well understood today (and was understood well by some even then) that collapse cannot happen through stationary states the way Einstein imagined. Nevertheless, the extent to which the models of black holes in classical general relativity correspond to physical reality remains unclear, and in particular the implications of the central singularity implicit in these models are still not understood. Efforts to conclusively prove the existence of event horizons have still not been successful, and most scientists acknowledge that no such proof is even possible"​

The Forum at Dr. Saddlers studied dark islands and dark gravity bodies in the 20’s and 30’s, long before Einstein even had a chance to deny them.....which he was subsequently proven wrong!!!!!!!!

"The dark Islands of Space. These are the dead suns and other large aggregations of matter devoid of light and heat. The dark islands are sometimes enormous in mass and exert a powerful influence in universe equilibrium and energy manipulation. The density of some of these large masses is well-nigh unbelievable. And this great concentration of mass enables these dark islands to function as powerful balance wheels, holding large neighboring systems in effective leash. They hold the gravity balance of power in many constellations; many physical systems which would otherwise speedily dive to destruction in near-by suns are held securely in the gravity grasp of these guardian dark islands. It is because of this function that we can locate them accurately. We have measured the gravity pull of the luminous bodies, and we can therefore calculate the exact size and location of the dark islands of space which so effectively function to hold a given system steady in its course."
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"On the outskirts of this vast central universe, far out beyond the seventh belt of Havona worlds, there swirl an unbelievable number of enormous dark gravity bodies. These multitudinous dark masses are quite unlike other space bodies in many particulars; even in form they are very different. These dark gravity bodies neither reflect nor absorb light; they are nonreactive to physical-energy light, and they so completely encircle and enshroud Havona as to hide it from the view of even near-by inhabited universes of time and space."



The UB expands on evolution far beyond Darwins theories.

Scientific validation can be found here:

http://www.ubthenews.com/index.htm


Caino

 

[Caino]

PARADISE FORCES AND ENERGIES​

http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1289

42:1.1 The foundation of the universe is material, but the essence of life is spirit. The Father of spirits is also the ancestor of universes; the eternal Father of the Original Son is also the eternity-source of the original pattern, the Isle of Paradise.

42:1.2 Matter—energy—for they are but diverse manifestations of the same cosmic reality, as a universe phenomenon is inherent in the Universal Father. "In him all things consist." Matter may appear to manifest inherent energy and to exhibit self-contained powers, but the lines of gravity involved in the energies concerned in all these physical phenomena are derived from, and are dependent on, Paradise, The ultimaton, the first measurable form of energy, has Paradise as its nucleus.

42:1.3 There is innate in matter and present in universal space a form of energy not known on Urantia. When this discovery is finally made, then will physicists feel that they have solved, almost at least, the mystery of matter. And so will they have approached one step nearer the Creator; so will they have mastered one more phase of the divine technique; but in no sense will they have found God, neither will they have established the existence of matter or the operation of natural laws apart from the cosmic technique of Paradise and the motivating purpose of the Universal Father.

42:1.4 Subsequent to even still greater progress and further discoveries, after Urantia has advanced immeasurably in comparison with present knowledge, though you should gain control of the energy revolutions of the electrical units of matter to the extent of modifying their physical manifestations—even after all such possible progress, forever will scientists be powerless to create one atom of matter or to originate one flash of energy or ever to add to matter that which we call life.

42:1.5 The creation of energy and the bestowal of life are the prerogatives of the Universal Father and his associate Creator personalities. The river of energy and life is a continuous outpouring from the Deities, the universal and united stream of Paradise force going forth to all space. This divine energy pervades all creation. The force organizers initiate those changes and institute those modifications of space-force which eventuate in energy; the power directors transmute energy into matter; thus the material worlds are born. The Life Carriers initiate those processes in dead matter which we call life, material life. The Morontia Power Supervisors likewise perform throughout the transition realms between the material and the spiritual worlds. The higher spirit Creators inaugurate similar processes in divine forms of energy, and there ensue the higher spirit forms of intelligent life.

42:1.6 Energy proceeds from Paradise, fashioned after the divine order. Energy—pure energy—partakes of the nature of the divine organization; it is fashioned after the similitude of the three Gods embraced in one, as they function at the headquarters of the universe of universes. And all force is circuited in Paradise, comes from the Paradise Presences and returns thereto, and is in essence a manifestation of the uncaused Cause—the Universal Father; and without the Father would not anything exist that does exist.

42:1.7 Force derived from self-existent Deity is in itself ever existent. Force-energy is imperishable, indestructible; these manifestations of the Infinite may be subject to unlimited transmutation, endless transformation, and eternal metamorphosis; but in no sense or degree, not even to the slightest imaginable extent, could they or ever shall they suffer extinction. But energy, though springing from the Infinite, is not infinitely manifest; there are outer limits to the presently conceived master universe.

42:1.8 Energy is eternal but not infinite; it ever responds to the all-embracing grasp of Infinity. Forever force and energy go on; having gone out from Paradise, they must return thereto, even if age upon age be required for the completion of the ordained circuit. That which is of Paradise Deity origin can have only a Paradise destination or a Deity destiny.

42:1.9 And all this confirms our belief in a circular, somewhat limited, but orderly and far-flung universe of universes. If this were not true, then evidence of energy depletion at some point would sooner or later appear. All laws, organizations, administration, and the testimony of universe explorers—everything points to the existence of an infinite God but, as yet, a finite universe, a circularity of endless existence, well-nigh limitless but, nevertheless, finite in contrast with infinity.

 

[Stuu]

42:1.2 Matter—energy—for they are but diverse manifestations of the same cosmic reality,

A principle FIRST described by Einstein, not by your fatuous book. Since Einstein got there first, he is due credit. Your book stole this after Einstein yet does not acknowledge his work. It matters not a blind difference what imaginary creatures or anonymous authors you claim were thinking about this earlier on, that is all completely irrelevant. The basic principles of intellectual rights say your book has stolen it.

scientists be powerless to create one atom of matter or to originate one flash of energy or ever to add to matter that which we call life.

Getting more and more out of date by the month.

Force-energy is imperishable, indestructible;

Is that force? Or is it energy? Or is it force times energy?

Energy equals force times distance.


From those nine paragraphs you posted I selected the three items that are demonstrably of relevance to the real world. Your book has failed to credit the first publisher of the principle of mass-energy equivalence and on the other two counts either has it wrong, or will have it wrong in the foreseeable future. What will you do when life is completely created without using parts of existing cells, which has virtually already been done? Will you edit this steaming tome of theft or just leave in that wrong bit?

Of course if it is all badly-written science fiction then you just have to say. Shame none of the preachers from this book can man up and say it is all invention that steals science and weaves it into a fictional narrative.

The parts of your post I deleted constitute some of the dullest fantasy prose posted on TOL. Why not learn about real, properly credited science? It, and the real stories behind it are far more engaging.

Stuart

 

[Stuu]

The UB expands on evolution far beyond Darwins theories.

How, exactly?

Stuart

 

[Caino]

.....this is a case where the UB actually avoided agreeing with widly accepted but wrong science at the time:


Mercury’s Rotation

Mercury’s Rotation Summary
[Updated 2/8/07]

"The Urantia Book states that tidal friction causes the axial rotation of heavenly bodies to slow to a stop (relative to the body around which they revolve) and cites Mercury and the moon as examples. It has long been well established that the rotation of the moon has stopped, and it was also believed at the time of publication (1955) that Mercury's rotation had ceased. Though the widely held belief at the time of The Urantia Book's publication was that Mercury had stopped rotating, when The Urantia Book addressed the subject of tidal friction slowing orbiting bodies to a stop, it did not state that Mercury had stopped and only portrayed the moon as a body that had stopped rotating due to tidal friction. In 1965 we learned that Mercury does have a slow rotation. The Urantia Book avoided the trap of agreeing with science that was wrong, but widely accepted, at the time of its publication.




http://www.ubthenews.com/topics/mercury.htm


Caino

 

[Caino]

Stuu? Really, my ole sparring foe, if you could bring yourself to open your mind and take an honest view of the UB you could gain an entirely new perspective on spirituality, on God.

I recall the time when I ate crow because I had misstated something from the UB. A little reciprocation could help.

Here is yet another case of "How the heck could they have guessed this??????"

Inner Ionosphere​

Inner Ionosphere Summary
[Updated 4/13/07]


"In discussing earth's atmosphere, The Urantia Book states the following, "The lower five or six miles of the earth's atmosphere is the troposphere; this is the region of winds and air currents which provide weather phenomena. Above this region is the inner ionosphere and next above is the stratosphere." Urantia Book enthusiasts and critics alike have long considered this statement to be a mistake because the longstanding understanding of the earth's atmosphere has been that the ionosphere exists above the stratosphere.

However, in the late 1980's and early 1990's, over thirty years after The Urantia Book's publication, observation of "blue jets" were conclusively documented and accepted as an atmospheric condition. Notwithstanding that this phenomenon is still not well understood, what has been learned about blue jets indicates that there must be an ionospheric layer below the stratosphere. Blue jets form above thunderclouds and often reach a height of about 25 miles above sea level. The long-recognized ionosphere, which exists above the stratosphere, begins at around 30 miles above sea level.

Calculations based on videos taken of blue jets, as well as other associated research, indicate that the ionic condition necessary to create their luminescent quality could not have its source in the thunderclouds over which they occur."



Caino

 

[Caino]

Telegraph.uk.com

Blue eyes result of ancient genetic 'mutation'​

By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Published: 7:27AM GMT 30 Jan 2008.....................


Uantia Book 1955:

ORIGIN OF THE COLORED RACES​

64:5.1 500,000 years ago the Badonan tribes of the northwestern highlands of India became involved in another great racial struggle. For more than one hundred years this relentless warfare raged, and when the long fight was finished, only about one hundred families were left. But these survivors were the most intelligent and desirable of all the then living descendants of Andon and Fonta.

64:5.2 And now, among these highland Badonites there was a new and strange occurrence. A man and woman living in the northeastern part of the then inhabited highland region began suddenly to produce a family of unusually intelligent children. This was the Sangik family, the ancestors of all of the six colored races of Urantia.

64:5.3 These Sangik children, nineteen in number, were not only intelligent above their fellows, but their skins manifested a unique tendency to turn various colors upon exposure to sunlight. Among these nineteen children were five red, two orange, four yellow, two green, four blue, and two indigo. These colors became more pronounced as the children grew older, and when these youths later mated with their fellow tribesmen, all of their offspring tended toward the skin color of the Sangik parent.

64:5.4 And now I interrupt the chronological narrative, after calling attention to the arrival of the Planetary Prince at about this time, while we separately consider the six Sangik races of Urantia.

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74:0.1 Adam and Eve arrived on Urantia [Earth], from the year A.D. 1934, 37,848 years ago.

76:4.1 Adam and Eve were the founders of the violet race of men . . . Adam and his offspring had blue eyes, and the violet peoples were characterized by fair complexions and light hair color--yellow, red, and brown.

63:4.1 Primitive man—the Andonites—had black eyes and a swarthy complexion, something of a cross between yellow and red.
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Eye, Skin, and Hair Color Supporting Links


Select quotes from this article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...-eyes-result-of-ancient-genetic-mutation.html

“Originally, we all had brown eyes”, said Prof Hans Eiberg from the University of Copenhagen, who led the team.


Blue eye colour most likely originated from the near east area or northwest part of the Black Sea region, where the great agriculture migration to the northern part of Europe took place in the Neolithic periods about six–10,000 years ago.


“That is my best guess,” he said. “It could be the northern part of Afghanistan.”

NOTE:"THE ANDITES OF TURKESTAN ANDITE EXPANSION IN THE ORIENT ASIA is the homeland of the human race. It was on a southern peninsula of this continent that Andon and Fonta were born; in the highlands of what is now Afghanistan, their descendant Badonan founded a primitive center of culture that persisted for over one-half million years. Here at this eastern focus of the human race the Sangik peoples differentiated from the Andonic stock, and Asia was their first home, their first hunting ground, their first battlefield. Southwestern Asia witnessed the successive civilizations of Dalamatians, Nodites, Adamites, and Andites, and from these regions the potentials of modern civilization spread to the world."UB 1955​

The mutation affected a gene called OCA2 and “literally 'turned off' the ability to produce brown eyes”, he says.


OCA2 is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives colour to hair, eyes and skin."

Select quotes from this article:

http://www.lifescientist.com.au/article/181144/genetic_interactions_determine_hair_skin_colour

"OCA2 is the major gene for blue eyes, but we can get different hues of blue, depending on what other alleles it is interacting with - OCA2 accounts for around 74 per cent of the effect.

"OCA4 and NCAX5 turn out to have major population-based differences in allele frequencies. They appear to be major genes associated with skin colour."

"The low level of variation within the European haplotypes harbouring the OCA4 and NCKX5 alleles points to strong selection pressure for lighter skin colour - and increased vitamin D synthesis - in European populations around 30,000 years ago."

Full journal article from Copenhagen

http://www.springerlink.com/content/2045q6234h66p744/fulltext.html






Eye, Skin, and Hair Color Additional Links
http://www.livescience.com/health/080131-blue-eyes.html blue eyed people all came from one common ancestor, but 10K years ago, especially in northern europe
http://www.biotechnews.com.au/index.php/id;1529171603 hair color at 40K

http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/201/1 researcher says link to one source is unexpected; some researchers do not speculate about when it occurred

http://www.imb.uq.edu.au/index.html?id=11690 more detailed scientific study

http://www.ajhg.org/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297(07)00040-7 abstract of scientific report

http://www.mytravelguide.com/g/maps/Black-Sea-map.gif map of Black Sea

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/02/blue-eyes-a-res.html good little summary of early ’08 material

http://www.north-by-north-east.com/articles/04_04_1.asp Hmong are said to have had and continue to have a good amount of blonde hair, non assimilating


Caino

 

[Caino]

How, exactly?

Stuart

The UB explains where life was made, where it was implanted on the original single continent, then the long evolutionary history with many interesting statements such as why the dinosaurs vanished (science hasn’t figure it out yet, we already know). etc.

Anyhow, if you want more imfo then read the papers yourself. I feel you just want to argue and do not sincerely want to learn anything. You lack an open mind.


Caino

 

[Caino]

Ocean Origin (preliminary information)

Review

Addtional Links

Corroborations are coming to the attention of UBtheNEWS far faster than we can prepare reports. To help people better appreciate this aspect of the project and to be of service to those who would like to participate in the development of these reports, preliminary information is being provided. Information in the various preliminary reports is posted at different stages of completion, depending on how work on reports was prioritized and then reprioritized. Please get in touch if you have additional information that is relevant to the preparation of one these upcoming reports.



See Dr. Chris Halvorson's History of Life article (its only a couple pages long) for an appreciation of how and why Urantia Book dates for ancient times are different that radiometric dating. UBtheNEWS is working with Dr. Halvorson on a new paper, written for those unfamiliar with The Urantia Book, that will more directly and fully address this issue in relationship to UBtheNEWS reports.

Notwithstanding the 4:1 ratio between radiometric dating and Urantia Book dates for the planets early history, corroborations are developing nonetheless. Sometimes this occurs when the sequential order of ancient events becomes more aligned with The Urantia Book. And in some instances, like this one concerning the location of oldest rock exposure on the face of the earth, new discoveries support other types of assertions about planetary history.

The relevant passage comes from Paper 57: The Origin of Urantia, Section 8: Crustal Stabilization, The Age of Earthquakes, The World Ocean, and The First Continent:

57:8.3 The real geologic history of Urantia begins with the cooling of the earth's crust sufficiently to cause the formation of the first ocean. Water-vapor condensation on the cooling surface of the earth, once begun, continued until it was virtually complete. By the end of this period the ocean was world-wide, covering the entire planet to an average depth of over one mile. The tides were then in play much as they are now observed, but this primitive ocean was not salty; it was practically a fresh-water covering for the world. In those days, most of the chlorine was combined with various metals, but there was enough, in union with hydrogen, to render this water faintly acid.

57:8.4 At the opening of this faraway era, Urantia should be envisaged as a water-bound planet. Later on, deeper and hence denser lava flows came out upon the bottom of the present Pacific ocean, and this part of the water-covered surface became considerably depressed. The first continental land mass emerged from the world ocean in compensatory adjustment of the equilibrium of the gradually thickening earth's crust.

57:8.5 950,000,000 years ago Urantia presents the picture of one great continent of land and one large body of water, the Pacific ocean. Volcanoes are still widespread and earthquakes are both frequent and severe. Meteors continue to bombard the earth, but they are diminishing in both frequency and size. The atmosphere is clearing up, but the amount of carbon dioxide continues large. The earth's crust is gradually stabilizing.​

Ocean Origin Related Links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadean

Study of zircons has found that liquid water must have existed as long ago as 4400 Ma, very soon after the formation of the Earth.[5][6][7] This requires the presence of an atmosphere. The Cool Early Earth theory covers a range from about 4400 Ma to 4000 Ma.
A September 2008 study of zircons found that Australian Hadean rock holds minerals that point to the existence of plate tectonics as early as 4 billion years ago.[8] If this holds true, the previous beliefs about the Hadean period are far from correct.




Caino

 

[Caino]

Gobekli Tepe

http://www.ubthenews.com/topics/Gobekli_Tepe.htm




Gobekli Tepe Summary

Prepared by Halbert, Claire Miller, and Andrew Myers with special thanks to Donna Whelan

[3/10/10]

"In 1994, almost forty years after The Urantia Book’s 1955 publication, excavations began at the Gobekli Tepe archaeological site in Turkey. This site has produced over 50 Stonehenge-type rock carvings and other artifacts, some of which date back to at least 12,000 years ago. A full excavation to the bottom of the site has not yet occurred. The artifacts are especially inconsistent with prevailing theories about the development of civilization. Every place else in the world where ancient civilizations have built structures with enormous stones, there is also evidence that they were settled communities that practiced herding and farming. Prevailing theories about this region suggest that around 11,000 years ago, primitive man was just beginning to evolve from being a hunter-gatherer to a herder-farmer.

However, the discoveries at Gobekli Tepe are altogether consistent with The Urantia Book’s assertion that a well-developed herder-farmer civilization existed in this area, during this time period, and for more than 10,000 years previously. Additionally, there is strong evidence indicating that the site was intentionally buried about 8,000 years ago. This peculiar aspect of the Gobekli Tepe site, while difficult for archaeologists to explain, perfectly parallels The Urantia Book’s assertion that, at around this time, inferior and more barbaric tribes drove out this more peaceful and advanced, but declining, civilization.".......



Caino

 

[One Truth]

The Late Great Urantia Revelation

Show me one example from your arrogant and thieving book where an established scientific principle is attributed to the scientist who discovered or developed it. Just to get you started, I can tell you that the names of the three most significant contributors of the past two centuries in each of physics, chemistry and biology, Einstein, Rutherford and Darwin, do not appear anywhere in it.

It arrogantly and thievingly fails to attribute their their brilliant work to them, and insults the risks they took in the pursuit of knowledge that benefits us all.

That reflects poorly on the character of every person who quotes it.

Shall I lift paragraphs from your posts and attribute them to the Sesame Street Cookie Monster?

Stuart

Stuart

The Revelators of The Urantia Papers were not in the business of exalting the ego of the humans who may have been involved in any "discoveries" or "developments" of any scientific, psychological or social endeavors. Doing so would have drawn the attention away from the Truth as they so skillfully and amazingly drew together those "discoveries" that mankind was already involved in, bringing to light (to conscious awareness) those truths regarding the cosmos and the origins of mankind. Their revelation of the origin of man is quite different than Darwin's and they expound upon the "theory" of relativity. It was not that they were plagiarizing nor giving credit where "credit was due", because surely the "credit" must go to the Creator not the discoverer. I am sure Darwin and especially Einstein would be appalled at being given "credit" for anything that had to do with something that was not theirs to have credit for. Darwin did not "create" evolution, he only uncovered some truths regarding it. Einstein did not "create" relativity, he only made the discovery of it and other physics related matters.

Einstein was probably the least egotistical human alive in his position of knowledge.

Anyway, your anger and animosity towards The Urantia Papers is very interesting. Have you ever actually read the entire book?

 

[One Truth]

Fear of The Urantia Book

Fear of The Urantia Book

I'm not religious or a religious authority, in any form. I'm Christian, and we're set free from religious trappings, such as the bondage of the New Age movement.

I have not read it. One doesn't have to read fiction to recognize that it is fiction; or to recognize the foolishness of someone who's been duped by it and other similar fiction. The light that is in the Urantia Book is darkness, that much is clear.

This is a typical response and a very sad and very revealing one. It reminds me of the way I was; very narrow-minded, in deep bondage to a religion (Christianity) and most of it's trappings, very judgmental, without any openess to the Truth (although I thought I was the keeper of the "real" Truth - the Bible), blocking every attempt of the indwelling Spirit to bring me into a higher truth, one in which I would be set free from all religions and a truth which would lead me into true religion -- the religion of the spirit -- the religion of Jesus.

It has been difficult in some ways to allow the Spirit of Truth to clean out my pre-conceived ideas about God, Jesus, revelation, myself, and the Bible and all it's doctrinal teachings, but the more I surender to the Spirit of Truth, the freer I am and the closer to God I am. How do I know it is the Spirit of Truth and not some evil spirit? Because I belong to my Father and trust Him not to give me a scorpion when I have asked for fish. I seek Truth. Jesus said He is the Truth. I trust Him.

I have been a student of The Urantia Book for several years. I found the Book about 30 years ago and also considered it to be "heresy", demonic, and New Age. When I finally actually read it, I found that it answered my question, "there has to be more", which I had felt for years that there has to be more than Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Heaven, Hell, Salvation, the Bible and the Golden Rule.

When I found these Papers, I began to be set free from a bondage that is so sinister, so unconscious, so incredibly deep that most people do not recognize it until they are set free from it.

Why do I think I am not being deceived by The Urantia Book? Because, I recognize and experience God in a way that sets me free from fear. People who believe in hell and the "Lake of Fire" and the eternal punishment of God are living in fear. I know, I was there once. I no longer "fear" that my Father will send me to Hell. I no longer "fear" that if I don't believe the Atonement doctrine that God will send me to a burning hell to be tormented forever and ever. Why would I worship a God I am afraid of? That is a primitive and very unconscious concept of God.

2:4.2 God is inherently kind, naturally compassionate, and everlastingly merciful. And never is it necessary that any influence be brought to bear upon the Father to call forth his loving-kindness. The creature's need is wholly sufficient to insure the full flow of the Father's tender mercies and his saving grace. Since God knows all about his children, it is easy for him to forgive. The better man understands his neighbor, the easier it will be to forgive him, even to love him.

2:4.3 Only the discernment of infinite wisdom enables a righteous God to minister justice and mercy at the same time and in any given universe situation. The heavenly Father is never torn by conflicting attitudes towards his universe children; God is never a victim of attitudinal antagonisms. God's all-knowingness unfailingly directs his free will in the choosing of that universe conduct which perfectly, simultaneously, and equally satisfies the demands of all his divine attributes and the infinite qualities of his eternal nature.

2:4.4 Mercy is the natural and inevitable offspring of goodness and love. The good nature of a loving Father could not possibly withhold the wise ministry of mercy to each member of every group of his universe children. Eternal justice and divine mercy together constitute what in human experience would be called fairness.
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I do pray that people who feel fear and who so desperately feel the need to defend these fear-based doctrines will soon awaken to the consciousness of Truth and find that the Father is indeed loving and all-forgiving and is interested in manifesting Himself to us, NOW. We do not have to wait.

 

[freelight]

Love at the heart of all.................

Love at the heart of all.................

This is a typical response and a very sad and very revealing one. It reminds me of the way I was; very narrow-minded, in deep bondage to a religion (Christianity) and most of it's trappings, very judgmental, without any openess to the Truth (although I thought I was the keeper of the "real" Truth - the Bible), blocking every attempt of the indwelling Spirit to bring me into a higher truth, one in which I would be set free from all religions and a truth which would lead me into true religion -- the religion of the spirit -- the religion of Jesus.

Indeed,..... in 'God' there is no fear, but only the qualities of love, expansion, light, joy, bliss, progress, creativity, innovation, Life ever evolving.

Spirit is Life. Spirit is here, now, in its omnipresence, all-radiant.


Be not discouraged; human evolution is still in progress, and the revelation of God to the world, in and through Jesus, shall not fail. - UB, 196:3.30


One Love,



pj

 

[ThePresbyteers]

. . .People who believe in hell and the "Lake of Fire" and the eternal punishment of God are living in fear.. . .

No Hell as stated in the Bible?

 

[Stuu]

OneTruth

The Revelators of The Urantia Papers were not in the business of exalting the ego of the humans who may have been involved in any "discoveries" or "developments" of any scientific, psychological or social endeavors.

Maybe a lawsuit would have changed their minds.

Doing so would have drawn the attention away from the Truth as they so skillfully and amazingly drew together those "discoveries" that mankind was already involved in,

Science as it is conventionally done doesn’t seem to suffer for acclaiming the achievements of researchers. When you say involved in, you mean discovered for themselves without reference to a book that had not even yet been written, but all the same subsequently failed to credit the work.

bringing to light (to conscious awareness) those truths regarding the cosmos and the origins of mankind.

They arrived late. It had already been done by real geniuses with real names.

Their revelation of the origin of man is quite different than Darwin's and they expound upon the "theory" of relativity.

Do they. How completely irrelevant.

It was not that they were plagiarizing nor giving credit where "credit was due", because surely the "credit" must go to the Creator not the discoverer.

Why surely? What creator?

I am sure Darwin and especially Einstein would be appalled at being given "credit" for anything that had to do with something that was not theirs to have credit for.

I am sure they would have too.

Darwin did not "create" evolution, he only uncovered some truths regarding it. Einstein did not "create" relativity, he only made the discovery of it and other physics related matters.

Darwin created the theory that explained the fact of evolution. Einstein created the mathematical descriptions that gave shape to his concept. They both made brilliantly successful models of the things they studied, and that is what we celebrate.

Einstein was probably the least egotistical human alive in his position of knowledge.

So what? We were not asking Einstein to brag, just asking others to acknowledge his work rather than steal it and claim it for their religious mythology. If Einstein had been aware that his work was been stolen by religious nutcases I am sure that would have riled him more than others insisting he take credit for his work. He did fight hard for his ideas within the scientific community. The anonymous stealing cowards responsible for ripping off great scientists and coating that work it in their own odious fairy tale are worthless oiks. They had no love for the things they despoiled.

Anyway, your anger and animosity towards The Urantia Papers is very interesting. Have you ever actually read the entire book?

I am not angry at a book. I am simply pointing out that it is immoral to steal work without due credit. You claiming it is all down to your Imaginary Friends is a joke. Would you say it with a straight face? Is your delusion that strong? I’m not sure if I have read the whole book yet. I wouldn’t be surprised if I have. The problem I have is staying awake while reading it.

Stuart

 

[Stuu]

Stuu? Really, my ole sparring foe, if you could bring yourself to open your mind and take an honest view of the UB you could gain an entirely new perspective on spirituality, on God.

I recall the time when I ate crow because I had misstated something from the UB. A little reciprocation could help.

Here is yet another case of "How the heck could they have guessed this??????"

Inner Ionosphere​

Inner Ionosphere Summary
[Updated 4/13/07]


"In discussing earth's atmosphere, The Urantia Book states the following, "The lower five or six miles of the earth's atmosphere is the troposphere; this is the region of winds and air currents which provide weather phenomena. Above this region is the inner ionosphere and next above is the stratosphere." Urantia Book enthusiasts and critics alike have long considered this statement to be a mistake because the longstanding understanding of the earth's atmosphere has been that the ionosphere exists above the stratosphere.

However, in the late 1980's and early 1990's, over thirty years after The Urantia Book's publication, observation of "blue jets" were conclusively documented and accepted as an atmospheric condition. Notwithstanding that this phenomenon is still not well understood, what has been learned about blue jets indicates that there must be an ionospheric layer below the stratosphere. Blue jets form above thunderclouds and often reach a height of about 25 miles above sea level. The long-recognized ionosphere, which exists above the stratosphere, begins at around 30 miles above sea level.

Calculations based on videos taken of blue jets, as well as other associated research, indicate that the ionic condition necessary to create their luminescent quality could not have its source in the thunderclouds over which they occur."



Caino

You could just as validly call the lowest 10km of the atmosphere the "inner ionosphere", or indeed any layer you wanted, because ionising events happen at any altitude.

What a load of tryhard nonsense.

Stuart

 

[Caino]

Stuu,

I still don’t see why your making such a big deal over the UB's discussion of science (that which was already known) as common knowledge. The acknowledgement at the beginning of the book plainly says that they will use some of our knowledge and English language. So they effectively do give credit. If the UB is a fraud the authors still are not claiming to have made these discoveries themselves.

Maybe your reaction is over stated in order to avoid considering the other content of the papers?

ACKNOWLEDGMENT ​

In formulating the succeeding presentations having to do with the portrayal of the character of the Universal Father and the nature of his Paradise associates, together with an attempted description of the perfect central universe and the encircling seven superuniverses, we are to be guided by the mandate of the superuniverse rulers which directs that we shall, in all our efforts to reveal truth and co-ordinate essential knowledge, give preference to the highest existing human concepts pertaining to the subjects to be presented. We may resort to pure revelation only when the concept of presentation has had no adequate previous expression by the human mind.

Successive planetary revelations of divine truth invariably embrace the highest existing concepts of spiritual values as a part of the new and enhanced co-ordination of planetary knowledge. Accordingly, in making these presentations about God and his universe associates, we have selected as the basis of these papers more than one thousand human concepts representing the highest and most advanced planetary knowledge of spiritual values and universe meanings. Wherein these human concepts, assembled from the God-knowing mortals of the past and the present, are inadequate to portray the truth as we are directed to reveal it, we will unhesitatingly supplement them, for this purpose drawing upon our own superior knowledge of the reality and divinity of the Paradise Deities and their transcendent residential universe.

We are fully cognizant of the difficulties of our assignment; we recognize the impossibility of fully translating the language of the concepts of divinity and eternity into the symbols of the language of the finite concepts of the mortal mind. But we know that there dwells within the human mind a fragment of God, and that there sojourns with the human soul the Spirit of Truth; and we further know that these spirit forces conspire to enable material man to grasp the reality of spiritual values and to comprehend the philosophy of universe meanings. But even more certainly we know that these spirits of the Divine Presence are able to assist man in the spiritual appropriation of all truth contributory to the enhancement of the ever-progressing reality of personal religious experience—God-consciousness.

[Indited by an Orvonton Divine Counselor, chief of the corps of superuniverse personalities assigned to portray on Urantia the truth concerning the Paradise Deities and the universe of universes.]

Caino

 

[Caino]

No Hell as stated in the Bible?

No Hell, just life or death, life eternal or extinction of being.

Caino

 

[Caino]

"When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions about God as an offended monarch, a stern and all-powerful ruler whose chief delight is to detect his subjects in wrongdoing and to see that they are adequately punished, unless some being almost equal to himself should volunteer to suffer for them, to die as a substitute and in their stead. The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth. The infinite love of God is not secondary to anything in the divine nature."

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The Apostle Paul, in his efforts to bring the teachings of Jesus to the favorable notice of certain groups in his day, wrote many letters of instruction and admonition. Other teachers of Jesus' gospel did likewise, but none of them realized that some of these writings would subsequently be brought together by those who would set them forth as the embodiment of the teachings of Jesus. And so, while so-called Christianity does contain more of the Master's gospel than any other religion, it does also contain much that Jesus did not teach. Aside from the incorporation of many teachings from the Persian mysteries and much of the Greek philosophy into early Christianity, two great mistakes were made:

The effort to connect the gospel teaching directly onto the Jewish theology, as illustrated by the Christian doctrines of the atonement—the teaching that Jesus was the sacrificed Son who would satisfy the Father's stern justice and appease the divine wrath. These teachings originated in a praiseworthy effort to make the gospel of the kingdom more acceptable to disbelieving Jews. Though these efforts failed as far as winning the Jews was concerned, they did not fail to confuse and alienate many honest souls in all subsequent generations.

The second great blunder of the Master's early followers, and one which all subsequent generations have persisted in perpetuating, was to organize the Christian teaching so completely about the person of Jesus. This overemphasis of the personality of Jesus in the theology of Christianity has worked to obscure his teachings, and all of this has made it increasingly difficult for Jews, Mohammedans, Hindus, and other Eastern religionists to accept the teachings of Jesus. We would not belittle the place of the person of Jesus in a religion which might bear his name, but we would not permit such consideration to eclipse his inspired life or to supplant his saving message: the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man.​

The teachers of the religion of Jesus should approach other religions with the recognition of the truths which are held in common (many of which come directly or indirectly from Jesus' message) while they refrain from placing so much emphasis on the differences." UB



Caino

 

[ThePresbyteers]

No Hell, just life or death, life eternal or extinction of being.

Caino

Even the author of "Conversations with God" said Hitler is in heaven. I had to read on. I guess everyone is going to heaven, good or bad but what happens after judgment day? Is there a split or a division of certain groups?