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  • Originally posted by quip View Post
    And you believe loving them is denying them basic sustenance? You're odd.
    He's odd?

    I didn't read him to say he would deny anyone basic sustenance....What I did read was a government that MAKES YOU provide for the Herion addict food and shelter, basically at gunpoint to the person who objects, is perfectly fine with you.

    Now why does the addict go to the government for this help? Because you bleeding heart liberals will give in to the guy, so he accepts no responsibility for his actions. None whatsoever. Whereas in private charity (i.e. Parents, family members, communities at large)will require some kind of action on his part to better himself. That you oppose for some odd ball reason.
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    • Originally posted by quip View Post
      Anyway, such is not yours to mete out.
      Wrong.

      “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard.Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard.And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,and said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.’ So they went.Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise.And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle, and said to them, ‘Why have you been standing here idle all day?’They said to him, ‘Because no one hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.’“So when evening had come, the owner of the vineyard said to his steward, ‘Call the laborers and give them their wages, beginning with the last to the first.’And when those came who were hired about the eleventh hour, they each received a denarius.But when the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise received each a denarius.And when they had received it, they complained against the landowner,saying, ‘These last men have worked only one hour, and you made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day.’But he answered one of them and said, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you.Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?’ - Matthew 20:1-15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NKJV

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      • Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
        He's odd?

        I didn't read him to say he would deny anyone basic sustenance....What I did read was a government that MAKES YOU provide for the Herion addict food and shelter, basically at gunpoint to the person who objects, is perfectly fine with you.

        Now why does the addict go to the government for this help? Because you bleeding heart liberals will give in to the guy, so he accepts no responsibility for his actions. None whatsoever. Whereas in private charity (i.e. Parents, family members, communities at large)will require some kind of action on his part to better himself. That you oppose for some odd ball reason.
        So far we've discovered that quip is a dishonest thief.

        I wonder what other commandments he's broken... And if it bothers him that on Judgment Day God will find him guilty, and send him to hell because of that...

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        • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
          Wrong.

          “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard.Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard.And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,and said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.’ So they went.Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise.And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle, and said to them, ‘Why have you been standing here idle all day?’They said to him, ‘Because no one hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.’“So when evening had come, the owner of the vineyard said to his steward, ‘Call the laborers and give them their wages, beginning with the last to the first.’And when those came who were hired about the eleventh hour, they each received a denarius.But when the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise received each a denarius.And when they had received it, they complained against the landowner,saying, ‘These last men have worked only one hour, and you made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day.’But he answered one of them and said, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you.Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?’ - Matthew 20:1-15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NKJV
          That's perfect....
          The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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          • Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
            That's perfect....
            I know, right!

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            • Further, we must not conflate today's welfare system with God's provision for the foreigner to "glean" the corners of the fields. "Forced" charity is an oxymoron. Coercing taxpayers to provide for the poor hurts the recipients of such entitlements far more than it hurts those from whom those funds are stolen, and compelling "charity" creates enormous social tension. As with tithing, giving to the poor, including by letting them glean, was apparently voluntary with no biblically proscribed punishment for failure to comply.


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              • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                I know, right!
                Even most "christians" have a hard time with that passage....
                The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                • Oh, you can be more specific than that in describing what you see as my hateful behavior. Come on, let it fly.

                  Ironic isn't it that you don't see yourself as divisive? You want to force me to accept your standards and call me all kinds of names and make all kinds of accusations against me that say I'm doing exactly what you're doing. And you want to use the government to enforce your concepts of love and hate on me.
                  “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                  ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                  “One and God make a majority.”
                  ― Frederick Douglass

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                  • Originally posted by quip View Post
                    Well, if you universally loved all your neighbors unconditionally this idealized charitable method of distribution sounds perfect (logistics notwithstanding). Yet, you don't love ALL your neighbors. It's ego feigning a "personal responsibility from God" deeming who and what's worthy of your/God's charity and who's not. It's this very self-serving bias and sanctamonious prejudice which necessitates forced, expansive distribution of said "charity" by a (secular) centralized authority.
                    Purex did this so much better than you

                    It was still inane drivel, but much more readable

                    Try to do better little troll

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                    • Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                      Even most "christians" have a hard time with that passage....
                      It's a passage that deals with not just charity, but also wages and how one should be able to run a business.

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                      • Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                        He's odd?

                        I didn't read him to say he would deny anyone basic sustenance....What I did read was a government that MAKES YOU provide for the Herion addict food and shelter, basically at gunpoint to the person who objects, is perfectly fine with you.
                        There's all kinds out there with all kinds of need.
                        Why focus on the addict.... or is that just a general personal judgement against those unseen whom may be in need of aide?

                        Now why does the addict go to the government for this help? Because you bleeding heart liberals will give in to the guy, so he accepts no responsibility for his actions. None whatsoever. Whereas in private charity (i.e. Parents, family members, communities at large)will require some kind of action on his part to better himself. That you oppose for some odd ball reason.
                        Who ever said I was against such...on the contrary, I'm active at such. Only not at the expense of general giving via taxation in an effort to flex no more than judgmental egos.
                        _/\_

                        Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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                        • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                          Wrong.

                          “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard.Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard.And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,and said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.’ So they went.Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise.And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle, and said to them, ‘Why have you been standing here idle all day?’They said to him, ‘Because no one hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.’“So when evening had come, the owner of the vineyard said to his steward, ‘Call the laborers and give them their wages, beginning with the last to the first.’And when those came who were hired about the eleventh hour, they each received a denarius.But when the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise received each a denarius.And when they had received it, they complained against the landowner,saying, ‘These last men have worked only one hour, and you made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day.’But he answered one of them and said, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you.Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?’ - Matthew 20:1-15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NKJV
                          Equality, sans condition?
                          That's exactly what the ilk around here stand AGAINST! They'd rather use their volition to assert judgmental condition i.e. pay those loafers less.

                          Keep up the good work.
                          _/\_

                          Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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                          • Originally posted by quip View Post
                            Equality, sans condition?
                            Nope.

                            No equality. Only freedom.

                            That's exactly what the ilk around here
                            I'd like to remind you that we are on a mainline Christian board.

                            stand AGAINST! They'd rather use their volition to assert judgmental condition i.e. pay those loafers less.

                            Keep up the good work.
                            It's not surprising that a thief, and a dishonest one at that, wants the money of others through "equality" when he has done nothing to earn that money.

                            God says a man has the right to determine the amount that he pays his employees, and to pay them the amount agreed upon. If that means that some people get paid less for the same job, so be it. You, a thief, don't have the right to his money simply because you think people should be equal, and the last verse in the passage I quoted should tell you that.

                            Is your eye evil because what Jesus said is good?

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                            • Originally posted by quip View Post
                              There's all kinds out there with all kinds of need.
                              Why focus on the addict.... or is that just a general personal judgement against those unseen whom may be in need of aide?
                              Not focusing on the addict. It was called an example. Pick any scenario you want...it still is not the obligation of government to care for whatever example you want to give.
                              The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                              • Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                                Not focusing on the addict. It was called an example.
                                Nonetheless, such agenda-based examples tend to spin one extreme over another. Yours was no exception.

                                Pick any scenario you want...it still is not the obligation of government to care for whatever example you want to give.
                                No, why's that? Do the citizens of this prosperous country have the right to general protection; pursuit of personal happiness - which necessitates the procurement of basic needs? If not, who draws the standard, Christian's, conservatives, liberals or some admixture of all?
                                _/\_

                                Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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