30 Days, A beginning to the end of mass shootings.

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Mass shootings are incidents involving multiple victims of firearm-related violence. The precise inclusion criteria are disputed, and there is no broadly accepted definition.[2][3][4] One definition is an act of public firearm violence—excluding gang killings, domestic violence, or terrorist acts sponsored by an organization—in which a shooter kills at least four victims. Using this definition, one study found that nearly one-third of the world's public mass shootings between 1966 and 2012 (90 of 292 incidents) occurred in the United States.[5][6] Using a similar definition, The Washington Post records 163 mass shootings in the United States between 1967 and June 2019.[7]
 

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Mass shootings are incidents involving multiple victims of firearm-related violence. The precise inclusion criteria are disputed, and there is no broadly accepted definition.[2][3][4] One definition is an act of public firearm violence—excluding gang killings, domestic violence, or terrorist acts sponsored by an organization—in which a shooter kills at least four victims. Using this definition, one study found that nearly one-third of the world's public mass shootings between 1966 and 2012 (90 of 292 incidents) occurred in the United States.[5][6] Using a similar definition, The Washington Post records 163 mass shootings in the United States between 1967 and June 2019.[7]

I wonder how many of those are workplace shootings

Kids today don't recognize the expression "to go postal"
 

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Now back to the threat of immediate death (police officers shooting a mass murderer to death during his rampage).

Why isn't that a deterrent?

In a society where you're more likely to be killed out on the street because criminals aren't punished than executed for a crime you've committed, it's no wonder we have a culture of death. It's full of it.

We have a culture of death right now. Not justice.

So you believe that someone who goes on a shooting rampage and doesn't care if he's killed by responding police officers in the process wouldn't do so if he knew that he'd be swiftly executed after being caught?
 

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So you believe that someone who goes on a shooting rampage and doesn't care if he's killed by responding police officers in the process wouldn't do so if he knew that he'd be swiftly executed after being caught?

Swiftly, painfully and publicly?

Crying like a baby for his momma?

Yes, I think that in many cases, this would be a deterrent
 

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Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Now back to the threat of immediate death (police officers shooting a mass murderer to death during his rampage).

Why isn't that a deterrent?



So you believe that someone who goes on a shooting rampage and doesn't care if he's killed by responding police officers in the process wouldn't do so if he knew that he'd be swiftly executed after being caught?

Going out gloriously (in his mind) in a hail of bullets, then being talked about like some sort of hero or tragedy case for a few days

VS

Being publicly swiftly and painfully executed and being shamed for what he did, and not even having his name mentioned, only his crime

...

Yeah, that's a no-brainer. He'd be deterred from committing the crime in the first place.
 

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So you believe that someone who goes on a shooting rampage and doesn't care if he's killed by responding police officers in the process wouldn't do so if he knew that he'd be swiftly executed after being caught?

Swiftly, painfully and publicly?

Crying like a baby for his momma?

Yes, I think that in many cases, this would be a deterrent

So the knowledge of a swift, painful and public shooting by police officers towards someone going on a shooting rampage didn't deter the act, but being publicly executed would?

How about the suicide factor that plays a big role in these shootings? Remember we're talking about a culture of death where life isn't valued.

List of mass murderers/rampage murderers who committed suicide immediately after the act:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers
 

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Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
So you believe that someone who goes on a shooting rampage and doesn't care if he's killed by responding police officers in the process wouldn't do so if he knew that he'd be swiftly executed after being caught?

I just answered this



acw said:
So the knowledge of a swift, painful and public shooting by police officers towards someone going on a shooting rampage didn't deter the act, but being publicly executed would?

I just answered this

Are you having a stroke?

acw said:
how about the suicide factor that plays a big role in these shootings?

Obviously it's going to be difficult to publicly execute someone who has committed suicide
 

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...how about the suicide factor that plays a big role in these shootings?

Obviously it's going to be difficult to publicly execute someone who has committed suicide

So much for the problem of rampage murders being solved by public executions.
 

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The Dayton shooter had help getting his equipment. A friend made the purchases, and helped him hide it from his parents.

Apparently, he committed a crime applying for some of it, and he's being held. Denies knowing that when he bought body armor, a 100-round magazine, and a specialized receiver for the weapon, that his friend intended to use it.
 

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The Dayton shooter had help getting his equipment. A friend made the purchases, and helped him hide it from his parents.

Apparently, he committed a crime applying for some of it, and he's being held. Denies knowing that when he bought body armor, a 100-round magazine, and a specialized receiver for the weapon, that his friend intended to use it.
The "friend" should be tried, and if convicted, be executed for assisted murder.
 

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
...how about the suicide factor that plays a big role in these shootings?



So much for the problem of rampage murders being solved by public executions.

A lot of this ends in "suicide by cop." Most of these guys don't intend to be captured; some of them lose their nerve or are horrified when they see the results of their attacks, and just surrender. To kill one's self, one has to be willing to do three things:

1. to die
2. to kill
3. to kill one's self.

All quite different things, and all with lots of of innate inhibitions.
 

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
...how about the suicide factor that plays a big role in these shootings?

So much for the problem of rampage murders being solved by public executions.

A lot of this ends in "suicide by cop."
Most of these guys don't intend to be captured;...

Meaning either they have an escape route planned or they were planning on dying either by being shot by responding police officers or taking their own lives via suicide.

Based on this wiki article that I posted earlier, the latter two seems to be a popular route with mass murderers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

A swift execution upon conviction isn't a deterrent in a culture that embraces death.
 
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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
...how about the suicide factor that plays a big role in these shootings?

So much for the problem of rampage murders being solved by public executions.



Meaning either they have an escape route planned or they were planning on dying either by being shot by responding police officers or taking their own lives via suicide.

Based on this wiki article that I posted earlier, the latter two seems to be a popular route with mass murderers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

A swift execution upon conviction isn't a deterrent in a culture that embraces death.

You're (deliberately?) missing the critical difference

Pay attention

Scenario 1. Loser fantasizes about going out in a hail of bullets, heroically

Scenario 2. Loser realizes that it's more likely he'll be caught, tried, convicted and executed, swiftly, publicly and painfully, soiling himself, crying like a baby and mocked and ridiculed.
 
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