Scientists Question Darwinism

Kit the Coyote

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that would be the "record" where bone and shell were replaced by mineral stone over millions and millions of years?

except in those cases where soft tissue is found in samples that are "75 million" years old? :chuckle:


in any other scientific discipline, a discovery of that nature would have led to a re-examination of basic theories

True but a discovery of that nature has not been made. The researcher who made the discovery you are talking about has clearly said that creationists are misinterpreting her work. To put it in the simplest layman's terms, what she found was mud that retained the shape and many components of the original tissue.

What was exciting about this was that the fossilization and rehydration processes, both of which normally replace the original tissues, retained these elements when they are usually destroyed. What was amazing is that a lot of the structure and chemical makeup of the original tissue was preserved.

The process of that preservation is starting to be understood now and it has to do with the way the bone was originally fossilized but does not preclude the age of the fossil.
 
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Sort of curious how long were those six days were? Days on Venus are almost a year long. We have no idea what the rotational period of the Earth was at creation as it has changed considerably since and been affected by many outside forces. Our current day has not been 24 hours since the 1800s, which is why we have to have leap events built into the time measurements.
 

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Sort of curious how long were those six days were? Days on Venus are almost a year long. We have no idea what the rotational period of the Earth was at creation as it has changed considerably since and been affected by many outside forces. Our current day has not been 24 hours since the 1800s, which is why we have to have leap events built into the time measurements.

:AMR:

You want the Earth to rotate once every few hundred million years then speed up?

:nono:

Physics, bro.

And geometry.
 

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Just how does the 6 day interpretation explain the geological record, the fossil record and the appearance of different "races" as we know them!

It doesn't, because that's not when those things came into existence.

The 6000 year time period, when one traces Christ's ancestors back to Adam in the Bible, neither addresses nor accommodates these observable phenomena!

More like 7000 years, now.

And why not? People don't have kids at the end of their lives, and before Noah, most people lived to be several centuries old.

Quite the opposite - why would God create a world which included the fossil record of plants and animals that never actually existed?

He didn't. That all came later, during the Flood.

How do we explain the geological evidence associated with the Ice Ages and the genetic link between human settlement in Siberia and those residing in North and South America?

With the Flood. :duh:

The creation of different "races" is also not mentioned in the Bible,

Not directly, no, but it is explained.

Think Tower of Babel, and the days of Peleg.

There have been about 200 generations of humans since Adam, and most of the mutations have happened in the 5000 years. That's what geneticists find.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11690

Summary of the above here: https://www.wired.com/2012/11/recent-human-evolution-2/

but our knowledge of genetics indicates that this could not have all happened in the approximately 6000 to 7000 year "window" between Adam and the present.

Incorrect. See above.

Your knowledge of genetics might go along with your claim, but that doesn't make it, nor you, correct.

Try as you might, 6 days doesn't explain the existence of difference races, the geological record and the fossil record of plants and animals not mentioned in the Bible - apparently we are to dismiss all these loose ends as nothing more than "fake news?"

They're not loose ends, you're just looking in the wrong places.

Yes, but as we know several thousand years after that particular camp fire story was written down---it is incorrect.

Saying it doesn't make it so.
 

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Just how does the 6 day interpretation explain the geological record, the fossil record and the appearance of different "races" as we know them!
The fossil record was caused by the global flood during the time of Noah, the different "races" of men can be traced to the incident at the tower of Babel.

The 6000 year time period, when one traces Christ's ancestors back to Adam in the Bible, neither addresses nor accommodates these observable phenomena!
A list of my ancestor's names does not address the American Civil war and the American Revolution, even though I have had ancestors that fought in both of those wars.

Try as you might, 6 days doesn't explain the existence of difference races, the geological record and the fossil record of plants and animals not mentioned in the Bible
The geological record of a great cataclysm and the fossil record of plants and animals buried in sediment did not happen during the 6 days, it happened during the global flood at the time of Noah.
 

Kit the Coyote

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:AMR:

You want the Earth to rotate once every few hundred million years then speed up?

:nono:

Physics, bro.

And geometry.


I am simply illustrating that problem with assuming that we are talking about 24 hour days. It is entirely possible to have a planetary day that lasts millions of years. Life on such a world would be extremely limited but that is not the point. The Bible does not say how long the days are or even how they were measured before the Sun was created.
 

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The fossil record was caused by the global flood during the time of Noah

How does that work exactly? I know how Answers in Genesis thinks it works but all that shows us is that AIG didn't give more than five seconds of thought and no amount of actual testing and evaluation to their hypothesis.
 

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I am simply illustrating that problem with assuming that we are talking about 24 hour days. It is entirely possible to have a planetary day that lasts millions of years. Life on such a world would be extremely limited but that is not the point. The Bible does not say how long the days are or even how they were measured before the Sun was created.
Morning and evening are terms that are completely foreign to you?
 

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I am simply illustrating that problem with assuming that we are talking about 24 hour days.
It's not much of a problem assuming that the Earth's rotational speed has not increased. Simple physics.

It is entirely possible to have a planetary day that lasts millions of years.
Not the Earth, unless you have a miracle in mind.

The Bible does not say how long the days are or even how they were measured before the Sun was created.

There was a light source. There was evening and morning. We simply assume that the Earth was rotating much as it is today. Simple. And within the realm of what is physically possible, which your idea is not.

Do you have any idea of how difficult it would be to increase the rotational velocity of a planet even a tiny bit, let alone from almost stationary to the rate it goes at today? Also, to get a day of millions of years is next to impossible. The rotation would have to be extremely well balanced to keep one side of the planet pointed toward the sun for such a long time.

What you're talking about is science fiction. You're just making stuff up with no filter of experience with such ideas.
 

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How does that work exactly? I know how Answers in Genesis thinks it works but all that shows us is that AIG didn't give more than five seconds of thought and no amount of actual testing and evaluation to their hypothesis.
I recommend you watch this series of YouTube videos, but only if you're truly interested.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpl6E8stJTiIi8wdLgYj1eXpp-4o1UUkZ
It's not much of a problem assuming that the Earth's rotational speed has not increased. Simple physics.

Not the Earth, unless you have a miracle in mind.



There was a light source. There was evening and morning. We simply assume that the Earth was rotating much as it is today. Simple. And within the realm of what is physically possible, which your idea is not.

Do you have any idea of how difficult it would be to increase the rotational velocity of a planet even a tiny bit, let alone from almost stationary to the rate it goes at today? Also, to get a day of millions of years is next to impossible. The rotation would have to be extremely well balanced to keep one side of the planet pointed toward the sun for such a long time.

What you're talking about is science fiction. You're just making stuff up with no filter of experience with such ideas.
Watched a video a while ago about this very thing...

https://youtu.be/g1pXf_zsa7g

Basically, the amount of energy required is enough to basically scorch the entire surface of the planet and burn off any life on it.
 

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I recommend you watch this series of YouTube videos, but only if you're truly interested.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpl6E8stJTiIi8wdLgYj1eXpp-4o1UUkZWatched a video a while ago about this very thing...

https://youtu.be/g1pXf_zsa7g

Basically, the amount of energy required is enough to basically scorch the entire surface of the planet and burn off any life on it.

In fact, the Earth's rotation has been slowing down for a long time. It's very gradual, and causes the recession of the Moon. As tidal forces slow the Earth, the energy is transferred to the Moon, moving it to a higher orbit.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1981JBAA...91..136S

It's not a constant rate, since tidal forces change as the position of the continents change. It's currently about 4cm/year, measurable by the mirror array left on moon by an Apollo mission.

There's also fossil evidence for this, in the form of tidal rhythmites, showing increasing length of day over the ages.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00367-017-0500-z

There are occasionally smaller effects from tectonic processes:

Sumatran quake sped up Earth's rotation

The devastating earthquake that struck the Indian Ocean on 26 December was so powerful that it has accelerated the Earth's rotation, geophysicists have declared. They estimate that the shockwave shortened the period of our planet's rotation by some three microseconds.

https://www.nature.com/news/2004/041229/full/041229-6.html

Which further complicates the issue of using this as a sort of clock. But the trend has been for the Earth to slow rotation, mostly from tidal forces from the recession of the Moon.

Equilibrium would be reached when the Earth's rotational period would be the same as the orbital period of the Moon. This "gravitational locking" would mean the moon would always be visible at one place in the sky for one hemisphere, and never visible in the other. The moon is gravitationally locked to the Earth, but the Earth is not yet locked to the Moon. And won't be for a very, very long time.
 

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Please explain
The moon draws up tidal bulges, which get offset by the Earth's rotation such that the moon is drawn toward the closer one, accelerating it in its orbit. The moon's pull on that closer tidal bulge in turn slows the Earth's rotation. Some people think it is friction that slows the rotation, but that's obviously wrong.

Would you like to learn why?
 
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