genuineoriginal
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Your argument is that you can believe that Jesus is a liar without it affecting your salvation?
Mark 10:6 6 [JESUS]But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.[/JESUS] |
Scientists Question Darwinism
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genuineoriginal
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This TOL thread has a lot more information about the scientists that question Darwinism.
Real Science Radio's List of Scientists Doubting Darwin
Well, let's see what God says was there in the beginning of creation...
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. 2 And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters.
Your argument is that you think you can call God a liar without affecting your salvation?
You've deluded yourself here. Neither God the father nor Jesus are lying. If you think about it a while, you can probably figure out how. Give it some time and let me know.
genuineoriginal
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I believe Genesis 1:1.
What makes you think God lied in Genesis 1:1?
I know that, which is why I am a Young Earth Creationist.
If you are not a Young Earth Creationists, you have to reject what God the Father and Jesus said about creation.
Jerry Shugart
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Paul was employing a first class condition:
"The first class condition indicates the assumption of truth for the sake of argument. The normal idea, then, is if--and let us assume that this is true for the sake of argument--then...." (Daniel Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics, p. 690).
The believer can never lose his salvation and perish:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (Jn.3:16).
Do you really think that those have received the truth in power and in the Holy Spirit can ever stop believeing?:
"The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever" (2 Jn.1-2).
The World Christian Encyclopaedia calculates that there are currently 33000+ Christian denominations - with more being added as we speak!
The reality is that when one claims to have the monopoly on interpreting these "plain truths," they are dismissing the beliefs of the other 32999+ denominations as false!
Peter and Paul, the 2 most prominent Apostles in the early Christian Church had there differences - are we to assume that one was teaching a false doctrine?
Jerry Shugart
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One thing that must be considered in regard to this discussion is the length of the seventh day, the day of rest. Did the LORD rest for just for 24 hours?
Derf
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The first verse of the chapter (Ps 100:1 KJV) seems to disagree with you: "all ye lands".
Other translations:
ASV, WEB: "all ye lands"
NKJV, HNV: "all you lands"
RSV: "all the lands"
NIV, ESV, NASB, NET, YLT, DBY, NLT: "all the earth"
Seems to be pretty consistently translated to include more than just Israel, at least for the commands to "Make a joyful noise" and "Serve the Lord with gladness", not to mention "come before His presence with singing". It would be odd for the context to switch to just Israel for vs 3, and only after the first phrase (which maintains the second person address format), before it goes back to being more general in vs 4 with "Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name."
Oh, but I see it says the word "sheep", and that automatically excludes everybody but Israel.
genuineoriginal
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What makes you think that there are 32999+ Christian denominations that deny that God created the heaven and the earth in six days?
You've been deluded about that. Remember your forbears in 2 Peter 3? They asked: "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."
Or maybe you think "void and empty" is the "status quo." :chuckle:
You've been deluded. Unfortunately for your already tattered reputation, it has previously been explained to you how "at the beginning of the creation" probably just means "during the creation week."
Don't bother freaking us all out by showing some grace and actually learning something.
Don't bother sticking to the conversation. It is too embarrassing to retract your obviously stupid contributions.
The phrase might simply mean that He stopped creating the universe. Putting a timeframe on it might be like saying : "He finished building the boat" ... forever.
Derf
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What do you go to hell for? If we give God's glory to another? If we blaspheme the Holy Spirit by saying some demon (whatever his name may be) is responsible for God's work? I don't think you can say it is idolatry to give God glory where God says He did something good.
And again, "evolution" isn't really the boogieman here. It's "evolutionism", or a belief in an unguided process, as [MENTION=16942]JudgeRightly[/MENTION] was saying. An "unguided" creation is antithetical to God's creation narrative. And how far do we go when rejecting what God has told us? Do we stop at Genesis? Or is all scripture now suspect, and needing to be interpreted in light of current scientific theories.
That's not to say that Christians haven't mis-interpreted scripture in gross ways over the years. Creationists need to be careful not to lock too tightly into a particular interpretation when others are feasible. God guiding an unguided process is an internally contradictory and unfeasible doctrine.
Yes they are....it's called science. :idunno:
Yoo have missing the point!
Whether it was "a 6 day creation," or some other theological issue, each of these denominations felt that their Christian beliefs could not be accommodated by those that already existed - no matter how "plainly" you claim the Bible to be written!
To assert that any of them have the monopoly on interpreting Scripture, dismisses all the others as false - a premise that has resulted in countless deaths due to centuries of religious wars amongst "Christians!"
genuineoriginal
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Yes, but the differences are often very small between the denominations.
You seem to be assuming that each of the 33000+ Christian denominations believe that the other 32999+ Christian denominations are so far off in their beliefs that they must wage bloody jihad against them.
That is not the case.
"Yoor" point is"ing" useless.
There is a reoccurring theme in the Bible that when we, in our "self-righteousness," attempt to pass harsh judgement on others, we are actually passing judgement on oneself!
Jerry Shugart
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Or maybe we are told to enter into God's rest?:
"There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience" (Heb.4:9-11).