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  • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
    What if he's actually innocent?

    In recent weeks, a new consensus has emerged among many legal analysts and observers: Special counsel Robert Mueller is finally closing in on President Trump. This could be correct, but at present, it is still mostly conjecture. There remains a real possibility that Mueller will come up empty, at least in connection with President Donald Trump, his family, and high-level advisers.
    ...
    Neither liberals nor conservatives have adequately considered this prospect. They should.
    For liberals, it is an article of faith that Mueller will produce a damning report if only he is allowed to complete his investigation. Conservatives dispute this, but their incessant attacks on Mueller suggest a far more pessimistic outlook. Why try to destroy the man who is about to exonerate you?

    This view is broadly shared for a reason. By historical standards, Mueller has run an extraordinarily effective and efficient investigation. He has already indicted dozens of Russian nationals for meddling in the 2016 election. More important, he has negotiated plea agreements with senior officials from Trump's campaign, including Paul Manafort's protégé, Rick Gates, and retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn. Experienced prosecutors enter such agreements only when a witness can offer significant ammunition against higher-value targets.
    ...
    If it does, liberals are sure to be despondent. Many of them have been counting on Robert Mueller to rescue them from the waking nightmare of Trump's presidency. As long as he is on the case, they have had at least one reason for hope. Conservatives, by contrast, will feel gleefully vindicated. It is easy to imagine Trump gloating for weeks, even years, at his rallies and on Twitter.

    Both sides would be wrong.
    ...
    If there was no collusion and no obstruction, the irony is that Trump could have avoided all of this -- the damage to the rule of law and to his presidency -- by cooperating fully and letting Mueller's probe run its course. If future presidents take any lesson away from Trump, let us hope it is this one.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/03/opini...oan/index.html
    Should be interesting what comes out of those major charges of corruption against Burke over in Chicago.

    For decades now, Burke has been known as a crooked fixer ever in on every major pay for play scam in the Windy City.

    He helped Trump secure a major tax abatement for that building in Chicago that bears Trump's name.

    Already, several very powerful people in Chicago politics presently gearing up to run for office in hopes of replacing outgoing Mayor, the ever cunning Rahm Emanuel, have had to reconsider their run, due to their connection with Burke - the man was a major player within every shady aspect of Chicago's long infamous political machine of graft.

    Power Players within every aspect of Chicago Politics are in for one long train ride of endlessly sleepless nights.

    The man is that well connected to them all, and vice-versa.

    Then again, that crook Pritzger (family did that Grand Hyatt project with Trump, back in the day) is now Governor, and he too was in bed with Burke.

    Not that such a seeming ace in his pocket kept Governor Bladgoivich from prison.

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    • Another Trump scandal? Mueller must be getting a little behind in his work.
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      • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
        Another Trump scandal? Mueller must be getting a little behind in his work.
        I believe Mueller is interested in his own prosecutions first. I think the goal was always those damning tax returns, that show Trump to be Putin's godfather.

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        • Originally posted by SabathMoon View Post
          I believe Mueller is interested in his own prosecutions first. I think the goal was always those damning tax returns, that show Trump to be Putin's godfather.
          It appears that the relationship works the other way. When they were sitting together, it was pretty clear by Trump's slumped shoulders and quiet demeanor that Putin was his daddy.
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          • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
            It appears that the relationship works the other way. When they were sitting together, it was pretty clear by Trump's slumped shoulders and quiet demeanor that Putin was his daddy.
            Putin needs Trump more than Trump needs Putin. You are imagining the unlikely.

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            • The FBI is unconstitutional
              Change my mind

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              • Originally posted by Crucifer View Post
                The FBI is unconstitutional
                Change my mind
                No, you made the statement, back it up.

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                • Originally posted by Jonahdog View Post
                  No, you made the statement, back it up.
                  The FBI is supposed to only be concerned with federal matters, but in almost it's entire existence it has spent most of it's time involved with state issues.
                  Why?
                  Because Hoover made crimes a federal matter after they cross state lines, which has completely screwed up the separation of state and gov't power since.

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                  • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                    ... must be getting a little behind in his work.


                    (ponders the advisability of a Jimmy Savile joke...)

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                    • Originally posted by Crucifer View Post
                      The FBI is unconstitutional
                      Change my mind
                      poof!

                      your mind is changed!


                      I win!

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                      • Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
                        The issue with the US, I believe, is the level of gun saturation.
                        Americans own nearly half world's guns in civilian hands


                        Americans make up 4 percent of the world’s population but owned about 46 percent of the estimated 857 million weapons in civilian hands at the end of 2017, a survey showed on Monday.

                        The Small Arms Survey, an independent global research project based in Geneva, Switzerland, found that there were more than 1 billion firearms in the world, of which civilians owned 85 percent, while the rest were held by militaries or law enforcement agencies.



                        Some interesting data
                        “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

                        ― Theodore Roosevelt

                        Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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                        • Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
                          Americans own nearly half world's guns in civilian hands


                          Americans make up 4 percent of the world’s population but owned about 46 percent of the estimated 857 million weapons in civilian hands at the end of 2017, a survey showed on Monday.

                          The Small Arms Survey, an independent global research project based in Geneva, Switzerland, found that there were more than 1 billion firearms in the world, of which civilians owned 85 percent, while the rest were held by militaries or law enforcement agencies.



                          Some interesting data
                          i have several guns of various types that i don't use, can't use, won't use - stuff i've accumulated over the years - i actually dropped one in the trash just this morning

                          but i'm reluctant to get rid of them - they don't have any salable value, but i have money invested in them and memories

                          i wonder how many other gun owners are in a similar situation?

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                          • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                            i actually dropped one in the trash just this morning
                            I hope you broke it beyond repair...
                            “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

                            ― Theodore Roosevelt

                            Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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                            • Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
                              I hope you broke it beyond repair...
                              Anything is fixable given enough time, effort, and resources.

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                              • Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
                                I hope you broke it beyond repair...
                                that's why i threw it out - it was a cheapie pistol that came with one of my airguns this summer as a freebie, lots of fun to shoot for a week or so until something broke internally, took it apart enough to realize it wasn't worth fixing and had it on my desk until i got tired of shuffling papers around it this morning - the kind of gun kids get shot by the cops for playing with

                                one of these:




                                and my trash is triple bagged, so it won't surface

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