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  • Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    ...Politicians in the main don't care about people no matter what affiliation or party they ascribe to, certainly not in the higher echelons. As is hardly surprising, the prevailing mood where it comes to politics is one of cynicism and it's just bemusing to me how anyone can think otherwise where it comes to political leadership in general, either here or across the pond.

    funny, i don't remember you being critical of obama for the eight years he was president

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    • So I was on FB earlier and a friend of mine posted a familiar, "Agree with him or not, I am praying for our president to be filled with wisdom," meme. Now the point of those is largely to get anyone reading it to act or think affirmatively about Trump. It's an end run of sorts, that finds purchase in many who are uncomfortable with their decision to support him the first time around.

      Here's the problem for me...I see his lawyers arguing that detained children aren't necessarily entitled to soap, toothbrushes, and a sleeping spot that isn't a concrete floor and I think, "Until he demonstrates fundamental humanity toward those who cannot in any sense further his welfare, I'm just not interested in much more than removing him from office." And I voted for Bush Jr., before anyone asks. So I'm always a potential get for conservatives, but not here.

      Our president is a creature of free will and no wisdom or goodness will come into a single soul who doesn't invite it. Evidence of either will be found in the fruit of that tree. So until that fruit is edible, I'd rather spit it out.
      You aren't what you eat, but you're always what you swallow.

      Pro-Life






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      • Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
        So I was on FB earlier and a friend of mine posted a familiar, "Agree with him or not, I am praying for our president to be filled with wisdom," meme. Now the point of those is largely to get anyone reading it to act or think affirmatively about Trump. It's an end run of sorts, that finds purchase in many who are uncomfortable with their decision to support him the first time around.

        Here's the problem for me...I see his lawyers arguing that detained children aren't necessarily entitled to soap, toothbrushes, and a sleeping spot that isn't a concrete floor and I think, "Until he demonstrates fundamental humanity toward those who cannot in any sense further his welfare, I'm just not interested in much more than removing him from office." And I voted for Bush Jr., before anyone asks. So I'm always a potential get for conservatives, but not here.

        Our president is a creature of free will and no wisdom or goodness will come into a single soul who doesn't invite it. Evidence of either will be found in the fruit of that tree. So until that fruit is edible, I'd rather spit it out.

        He’s what he always was. Unfortunately he’s what alt-righters always wanted.

        Now we have concentration camps run by an administration that doesn’t care about basic civil rights and knows it’s not bound by rule of law. Shooting on 5th. avenue being a trial balloon and all.

        Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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        • Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
          Now we have concentration camps run by an administration that doesn’t care....

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          • Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
            He’s what he always was. Unfortunately he’s what alt-righters always wanted.

            Now we have concentration camps run by an administration that doesn’t care about basic civil rights and knows it’s not bound by rule of law. Shooting on 5th. avenue being a trial balloon and all.
            Actually,kids in concentration camps had mats to sleep on, and were allowed to bathe. So I'm not sure that these cages come up to the standard for concentration camps.

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            • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
              Actually,kids in concentration camps had mats to sleep on, and were allowed to bathe. So I'm not sure that these cages come up to the standard for concentration camps.
              Of course, these poor illegal immigrants trying to circumvent the law are being treated more harshly than those whiny Jews who were sent to camp back in the 40's

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              • The idea of a Harris/Trump debate gives me life.

                Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                  Of course, these poor illegal immigrants trying to circumvent the law are being treated more harshly than those whiny Jews who were sent to camp back in the 40's
                  The Holocaust Museum agrees these camps are how it started. I’ve seen their statement, will link to it later. Slow internet here, but I’ll be on a flight home soon.

                  Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                  • Correction: The Auschwitz Memorial Museum:


                    Auschwitz MemorialVerified account @AuschwitzMuseum


                    If you see human suffering & you think this is not so important because "it's not yet Auschwitz"… 

Then, think again.
We commemorate and educate about the tragic history of Auschwitz as we believe it should inspire people today to build a better & a more responsible world.



                    Auschwitz MemorialVerified account @AuschwitzMuseum

                    When we look at Auschwitz we see the end of the process. It's important to remember that the Holocaust actually did not start from gas chambers. This hatred gradually developed from words, stereotypes & prejudice through legal exclusion, dehumanisation & escalating violence.

                    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                    • Holocaust survivor remembers past, worries about America’s future
                      By Bernard Marks Special to The Sacramento Bee
                      March 03, 2017 05:00 AM,Updated June 28, 2019 10:09 AM
                      I am a Holocaust survivor, an 87-year-old man who experienced the graphic inhumanity of Auschwitz and Dachau and the infamous ghettos of the Nazi regime. I am also a proud American citizen who came to this country as a refugee in 1947 and believed the words of Emma Lazarus that welcomed me to its shores: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

                      For many decades I have lived my American dream, as a husband, a father, an engineer and an educator who works with young students to help them learn about the Holocaust so that the lessons of that tragic era are never forgotten. Much of my life has been dedicated to this mission because, one day in the not-too-distant future, the voices of my generation will only echo from the past.

                      I never imagined the day would come that I would feel compelled to raise a warning to the people of my adopted homeland about a danger that is all too familiar to me, a threat to democracy and to the character that defines America.

                      I am fearful when I watch the slow chiseling away of civil rights, tolerance, compassion and acceptance. I am saddened when I see this country’s pride in being a nation built on the belief, trust and hard work of immigrants challenged by the rhetoric of racism. I hear the tones, I feel the subtle threat, I see the nascent actions being taken by our new administration. After all, I have personal experience with the rise of the most shameful event of the 20th century.

                      I see men and women who wear the badge of law enforcement – most joined this dangerous profession to protect people from harm and serve their communities. Now, not unlike their counterparts in 1940s Poland and Germany, they are being asked to step up to an “enhanced” job description and round up illegal immigrants. I hear the divisive speech used to sway public opinion and leverage latent fears of people whose culture and language are foreign. I feel the liberation of opinions and actions that were once socially unacceptable in the America I know and love.

                      I am, of course, aware that the United States has experienced several bouts of exclusionary periods in which people were unjustifiably harmed: Chinese, Japanese, African Americans and Native Americans, and my fellow Jews among them. All these movements were sanctioned and led by government proclamation. Every country has its dark history, but it’s the great nations that embrace the commitment to never repeat dark history.

                      Now, as one of a vanishing cadre of Holocaust survivors, I am compelled to speak out, to ask Americans to raise their voices. To not stand silently by and watch as executive orders erode the essence of this nation’s character and creed. I remember how silent people were, how quietly complicit neighbors and community were as the Nazi occupation of my home in Lodz, Poland, slowly progressed into what the world knows today as the Holocaust.

                      I urge Americans to not think for a moment, “It can’t happen here.”

                      I spent my childhood doing brutal manual labor in concentration camps, surviving on one meal a day of weak broth and dry bread. But I was among the fortunate. Before the Nazis came there were 200 people in my extended family. When we were liberated by the Allied troops, only five were left among the living. All this, because we were Jewish. Different. We were scapegoats for a movement fueled by hate and discrimination.

                      I ask people of conscience to study the past and to envision the future of this extraordinary country. Democracy is only as strong as the people who define it, form it, and sustain it with their actions. The America I know must rise to its promise of being “The land of the free and the home of the brave.”

                      Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                      • So, open borders?

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                        • Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                          • Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                            • Anna, can I have a link to that graphic? I know someone who would be interested in knowing those.

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                              • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                                Anna, can I have a link to that graphic? I know someone who would be interested in knowing those.
                                Sure.

                                42_10_dayen_02.jpg

                                It's from the following article, which sources from the link I've posted below that.

                                Below the Surface of ICE: The Corporations Profiting From Immigrant Detention

                                Immigration Detention: An American Business

                                Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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