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  • Originally posted by Stripe View Post
    Pollution.
    Ugh.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

    @Nee_Nihilo

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    • What if climate change is real and human caused--what should Christians do about it?
      What if the popularly parroted phrase, "climate change", is really meaningless, and is just one, more, sorry prop in a vast ploy to divert the attention of people, especially that of Christians, away from truth and away from endeavoring to serve God?
      All my ancestors are human.
      PS: All your ancestors are human.
      PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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      • Originally posted by ralfy View Post
        Since Christianity in general teaches its followers to take care of the environment, then it's clear that Christians will have to find ways to minimize the effects of climate change.
        "the effects of climate change"??

        Wait a second! I thought that "climate change" was supposed to be an effect. But now we're supposed to worry about the effects of some effect called "climate change", in addition to worrying about "climate change", itself?

        Where, in the Bible, is man taught "to take care of the environment"?

        What (if anything) do you mean by your phrase, "the environment", and what (if anything) do you mean by your phrase, "take care of the environment"?

        I do not even find the word, 'environment', in the Bible, so, of course, the Bible is not going to tell me what (if anything) you imagine you mean by your phrase, "the environment".
        Last edited by 7djengo7; October 18th, 2019, 05:15 PM. Reason: to remove a superfluous instance of the word, 'to'
        All my ancestors are human.
        PS: All your ancestors are human.
        PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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        • I haven't been that active in this thread (or very many others, either), but here's an interesting article:
          Some corals ‘killed’ by climate change are now returning to life
          Here's an excerpt.
          "It turns out that some corals only look dead when exposed to unusually warm water. Instead, the coral’s polyps shrink and retreat into their hard skeleton, making the reef appear dead, before recolonising the skeleton when conditions are better. It is a survival strategy never seen before in today’s corals – but it may not help the corals as the climate continues to change."

          Note the underlined part re. "today's corals". This is apparently a known trait of <some> corals, as explained here:
          "We already knew that ancient corals could do this, as their fossils contain the fossilised remains of tiny skeletal structures that formed when the polyps regrew. Until now, however, it wasn’t clear whether today’s corals could."

          This is an astounding admission on multiple points.
          1. That coral damage from rising temperature is NOT well understood enough to make it a primary evidence of drastic and unrecoverable impacts from climate change
          2. That Darwinistic assumptions about corals presume that they had LOST the ability to recover in this way, meaning even Darwinists (at least the coral experts) are very pessimistic about what natural selection can accomplish within a species, much more between species.

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          • Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
            Where, in the Bible, is man taught to "to take care of the environment"?
            Genius.

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            • Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
              Where, in the Bible, is man taught to "to take care of the environment"?
              Originally posted by User Name View Post
              Genius.
              Ha! I thank you for bringing to my attention that I had inadvertently typed a superfluous instance of the word, 'to', in my post. I fixed it:

              Originally posted by ralfy View Post
              Where, in the Bible, is man taught "to take care of the environment"?
              All my ancestors are human.
              PS: All your ancestors are human.
              PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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              • Originally posted by Derf View Post
                This is an astounding admission on multiple points.
                1. That coral damage from rising temperature is NOT well understood enough to make it a primary evidence of drastic and unrecoverable impacts from climate change
                It's a new phenomenon. So good news that bleaching can be reversible.

                2. That Darwinistic assumptions about corals presume that they had LOST the ability to recover in this way,
                Darwinian theory predicts that in such climate changes, we should see population crashes, followed by re-population by the survivors.

                That's what Darwin wrote. And it's what we're seeing now.

                meaning even Darwinists (at least the coral experts) are very pessimistic about what natural selection can accomplish within a species, much more between species.
                See above. We should probably apply "Darwinian" to things Darwin actually wrote.

                But that's just the scientist talking, I guess.

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                • If under changing conditions of life organic beings present individual differences in almost every part of their structure, and this cannot be disputed; if there be, owing to their geometrical rate of increase, a severe struggle for life at some age, season, or year, and this certainly cannot be disputed; then, considering the infinite complexity of the relations of all organic beings to each other and to their conditions of life, causing an infinite diversity in structure, constitution, and habits, to be advantageous to them, it would be a most extraordinary fact if no variations had ever occurred useful to each being's own welfare, in the same manner as so many variations have occurred useful to man.
                  Charles Darwin On the Origin of Species

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                  • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                    It's a new phenomenon. So good news that bleaching can be reversible.



                    Darwinian theory predicts that in such climate changes, we should see population crashes, followed by re-population by the survivors.

                    That's what Darwin wrote. And it's what we're seeing now.



                    See above. We should probably apply "Darwinian" to things Darwin actually wrote.

                    But that's just the scientist talking, I guess.
                    You think random mutations and natural selection produced this feature in 50-odd years?

                    Must be that hyper-evolution you Darwinists like to talk about.
                    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                    E≈mc2
                    "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                    "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                    -Bob B.

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