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    I'll come back to this later to support my statement that most of the victims in the Umpqua shooting (as well as the Colorado movie theater shooting) acted cowardly

    I plan to use dictionary definitions!

    and logical analysis!!



    i expect my opponents will use emotion



    go ahead and start if you like, i have a test looming and a paper to write, but i will be back

  • #2
    Originally posted by ok doser View Post
    I'll come back to this later to support my statement that most of the victims in the Umpqua shooting (as well as the Colorado movie theater shooting) acted cowardly

    I plan to use dictionary definitions!

    and logical analysis!!



    i expect my opponents will use emotion



    go ahead and start if you like, i have a test looming and a paper to write, but i will be back
    I give you the benefit of doubt, but that's an unnecessary comment. How could they be cowards when they didn't know it was going to happen
    Last edited by patrick jane; October 8th, 2015, 06:40 AM.

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    • #3
      It's fight or flight. I assume you are going to say flight is cowardly. I would disagree if that is indeed what you will say.
      Having the right to do something does not automatically make it the right thing to do.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by shagster01 View Post
        It's fight or flight. I assume you are going to say flight is cowardly. I would disagree if that is indeed what you will say.
        I agree. People that are closest to the shooter should try to fight and disarm them. Again, easier said than done. We aren't in an action thriller movie.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ok doser View Post
          I'll come back to this later to support my statement that most of the victims in the Umpqua shooting (as well as the Colorado movie theater shooting) acted cowardly
          ...
          i expect my opponents will use emotion
          I don't know if following one's human nature (the survival instinct) is "cowardly". I suppose you could call me one of your "opponents".
          The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
          http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
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          • #6
            I haven't followed this on the msm at all, so I'm working from wiki:

            At 10:38 a.m. PDT, the first 9-1-1 call was made from Snyder Hall on the school campus reporting shooting.[5] Students reported that the shooting began in Classroom 15, where English and writing classes are conducted.[6][7]

            Harper-Mercer, who was a student in the writing class, shot the assistant English professor at point-blank range. Some witnesses said he then forced fellow students to the center of the classroom[8] and asked several for their religion before shooting them.[9] Other witnesses said he asked if students were Christians, mocking those who replied in the affirmative that they would go to heaven as he shot them.[a] Some students were shot multiple times;[9][12][13] one woman was struck several times in the stomach while trying to close a classroom door.[14] One witness said he made a woman beg for her life before shooting her, and also shot another woman when she tried to reason with him.[15] One victim, Sarena Dawn Moore, was killed while seated in a wheelchair.[16] Another witness said Harper-Mercer deliberately spared one student's life so that student could deliver a package from him to police,[17] and forced him to sit at the back of the classroom and watch as he continued shooting.[18]

            contrast the actions of those victims with the following:


            According to a witness, Chris Mintz, a U.S. Army veteran who was studying fitness training at the college,[38] ran to the library, where he began pulling alarms and telling people to run away.[39] He then ran into the building where the shooting was taking place and attempted to block Harper-Mercer from moving out of Classroom 15. Mintz was shot three times while standing and another four times while on the floor, but survived.

            in the first case, the victims act as society has trained them to act - as sheep, with the only act of resistance being an attempt to reason with an insane person

            in the second case, we have a man who runs toward the danger to confront it and confine it, with no regard for his own safety

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            • #7
              Well that's just it, some people act heroically WITH NO REGARD FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY, and others try to stay safe. Every case is different but I promise if I am being herded for a slaughter I'm going out as a hero to stop the shooter(s). I am in no way saying the victims could have done more, as I said every case is different

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              • #8
                I like the OED for definitive definitions

                coward, n.

                Pronunciation: /ˈkaʊəd/
                Forms: ME cueard, cuard, ME cuward, couard, couward, couwarde, couherde, ME–15 cowart, ... (Show More)
                Etymology: < Old French coart (cohart , cuard , cowairt , later couart , couard ... (Show More)
                A. n.
                Thesaurus »

                1. A reproachful designation for one who displays ignoble fear or want of courage in the face of danger, pain, or difficulty; an ignobly faint-hearted or pusillanimous person.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                  ... I'm going out as a hero to stop the shooter(s).


                  and some will say that by saying so, you are disrespecting those who acted cowardly

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by shagster01 View Post
                    It's fight or flight. I assume you are going to say flight is cowardly. I would disagree if that is indeed what you will say.
                    i hope to bring this up in my psych class next period

                    when you are presented with a "flight or fight" response and your response is "flight" but you are prevented from fleeing, what happens?

                    are people more apt to freeze, to flee inwardly (cower), or to switch to "fight" mode?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                      ...but I promise if I am being herded for a slaughter I'm going out as a hero to stop the shooter(s)...
                      Nobody knows how they will behave in such a situation until it happens.

                      "One who puts on armor should not brag like one who takes it off."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                        i hope to bring this up in my psych class next period

                        when you are presented with a "flight or fight" response and your response is "flight" but you are prevented from fleeing, what happens?

                        are people more apt to freeze, to flee inwardly (cower), or to switch to "fight" mode?
                        Most men awarded the Medal of Honor and considered a hero are noted for acting against their flight instinct to protect/save others.

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                        • #13
                          I'm going to focus on
                          1. A reproachful designation for one who displays ignoble fear or want of courage in the face of danger, pain, or difficulty; an ignobly faint-hearted or pusillanimous person.


                          courage:

                          courage

                          noun
                          BrE /ˈkʌrɪdʒ/
                          ; NAmE /ˈkɜːrɪdʒ/

                          the ability to do something dangerous, or to face pain or opposition, without showing fear

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                            and some will say that by saying so, you are disrespecting those who acted cowardly
                            I'm not at all, it's my opinion of what I would do, no reflection on anyone but me and the shooter; tunnel vision.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chair View Post
                              Nobody knows how they will behave in such a situation until it happens.

                              sure they can

                              if they've prepared for it, if they've trained for it, if they're mentally prepared for it

                              that's why cops, firefighters, emts, military personnel, etc, undergo the training they do

                              so they won't freeze




                              that's why, for instance, I have to take these CPR/AED training courses every year - so that when an emergency happens, I can click into rescue mode without having to stop and think about it


                              as a society, we haven't been trained to confront a threat like the one in Umpqua

                              we've been trained to be sheep

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