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  • Originally posted by chair View Post

    Out of all the world leaders, Donald Trump stands out for his poor leadership and lack of basic intelligence.
    because that's the constant drumbeat of news from the MSM

    It is disastrous for the entire free world.
    That's silly

    Can you explain why, for example, your foolish perception of my leader, a perception that you base on the lies fed you by the MSM, is disastrous for Israel? India? Iceland?

    If you want to rate all the world leaders, go ahead.
    The story of the China Virus in America is two very different stories. One story is that of Metro NYC, which (like Italy) ignored the warnings in February and paid the price. That story has stats that are off the charts, it is a story of dismal failure.

    The other story, the story of the rest of the country, is a story of cautious adaptation which has resulted in numbers either slightly better than Germany's (total cases/1M pop) or slightly worse (Deaths/1M pop).

    And the story of the failure of Metro NYC is the story of criminally negligent liberal leadership who were more interested in attacking our national leader in a time of impending crisis than in preparing the people they were supposed to lead.


    Originally posted by chair View Post
    He is the wrong guy for the job.
    so don't vote for him in November

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    • Originally posted by ok doser View Post

      The story of the China Virus in America is two very different stories. One story is that of Metro NYC, which (like Italy) ignored the warnings in February and paid the price. That story has stats that are off the charts, it is a story of dismal failure.

      ... And the story of the failure of Metro NYC is the story of criminally negligent liberal leadership who were more interested in attacking our national leader in a time of impending crisis than in preparing the people they were supposed to lead.
      How do the Trump supporters explain that while both the President and New York Governor Cuomo provide daily briefings, the public approval ratings of the former have dropped to the low 40's while those of the later are in the 70's?

      As for the "criminally negligent liberal leadership" of both the Mayor and Governor of New York, they aren't responsible for the lack of testing nor do they have the authority to ban incoming in-flights from Italy, or any other country, landing in their jurisdictions - that resides with the President!
      Last edited by jgarden; April 28th, 2020, 07:59 AM.

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      • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
        because that's the constant drumbeat of news from the MSM
        No, it's because of the constant drumbeat of nonsense out of his mouth and twitter.

        Originally posted by ok doser View Post
        That's silly

        Can you explain why, for example, your foolish perception of my leader, a perception that you base on the lies fed you by the MSM, is disastrous for Israel? India? Iceland?
        Let's put it this way: If China and Russia had his types for leaders, the free world would be in a better position.

        Originally posted by ok doser View Post
        The story of the China Virus in America is two very different stories. One story is that of Metro NYC, which (like Italy) ignored the warnings in February and paid the price. That story has stats that are off the charts, it is a story of dismal failure.

        The other story, the story of the rest of the country, is a story of cautious adaptation which has resulted in numbers either slightly better than Germany's (total cases/1M pop) or slightly worse (Deaths/1M pop).

        And the story of the failure of Metro NYC is the story of criminally negligent liberal leadership who were more interested in attacking our national leader in a time of impending crisis than in preparing the people they were supposed to lead.
        That is a very simplified version of reality. NYC was very vulnerable from the start. Crowded, and very dependent on public transportation. The rest of the US is doing better, but not great. Nothing to be so proud of.

        Originally posted by ok doser View Post
        so don't vote for him in November
        I haven't voted in US elections in many years.

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        • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
          The leadership of ... the USA gambled with the lives of their citizens and lost ...
          Well, the leadership of Metro NYC did, because it was more important for them to attack our national leader than to prepare the populations they were responsible for.

          The rest of the country's doing ok, about as well as Germany.

          Thanks for your concern, Canadian.

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          • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
            The rest of the country's doing ok, about as well as Germany.
            If you could compare the US to Taiwan, you'd be doing better.

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            • Originally posted by chair View Post

              If you could compare the US to Taiwan, you'd be doing better.
              or any of a surprising large number of countries that are reporting 0

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              • Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                Well, the leadership of Metro NYC did, because it was more important for them to attack our national leader than to prepare the populations they were responsible for.

                The rest of the country's doing ok, about as well as Germany.

                Thanks for your concern, Canadian.
                Trump has FOXNEWS, but his daily, unfiltered briefings have given the American public a long hard look at both Trump and Cuomo which has provided them with enough exposure to come to their own conclusions as to where they will place their trust!

                The rest of the country may appear to be progressing better, as compared to NYC, but with less than 2% of the nation tested, the severity of the pandemic can't be judged just by the number of individuals exhibiting flu-like symptoms!

                Nobody has any idea as to what % of population is "asymptomatic" carriers who will continue to spread the virus but will never show the signs!

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                • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                  ... the American public ....
                  right

                  The American public.

                  Not the Canadian public.



                  you've got your own looming mess to worry about: https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/canada/

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                  • Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                    What is really worrisome about the data from India is that the slope of the total deaths curve is significantly greater than the slope of either of the total cases or active cases curves, indicating that their health care system is already failing.

                    Canada too - that's a surprise: https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/canada/

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                    • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                      As for the "criminally negligent liberal leadership" of both the Mayor and Governor of New York, they ....
                      ... they are responsible for the failure to take the same effective precautions that the rest of the state took, that the rest of the country took.

                      My county in upstate NY, right across the border from your former capitol, has 60 confirmed cases, 0 deaths.

                      Because we're not led by irresponsible liberal idiots, locally.

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                      • I wonder why nobody's talking about Belgium - they're an absolute mess - worse than Italy or Spain by far

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                        • Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                          or any of a surprising large number of countries that are reporting 0
                          Taiwan is real Sorry.

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                          • Originally posted by chair View Post

                            No, it's because of the constant drumbeat of nonsense out of his mouth and twitter.
                            he's his own worst enemy in that regard, we agree

                            i don't twit - I see it referred to often on the retarded leftist groups I troll on FB and it only confirms my belief that twitter is for retards


                            Let's put it this way: If China and Russia had his types for leaders, the free world would be in a better position.
                            Russia is free - did you miss the memo? Everybody else got the memo at the end of 91.

                            And China's a heckuva lot better than it used to be.

                            That is a very simplified version of reality. NYC was very vulnerable from the start. Crowded, and very dependent on public transportation.
                            I watched it through February in disbelief, in real time, on facebook and twitter as the recommendations kept changing - no gatherings of more than 100 people, no gatherings of more than 50 people, then twenty, then ten - these were recommendations coming out of Albany that deBlasio was passing along and then ignoring, in public. And all the while on social media a constant drumbeat of Trump bashing, a constant drumbeat of mostly millenials claiming to be young and healthy and determined to ignore the recommendations and go out clubbing and calling anyone who dared warn them about the risk they were posing to others with "ok boomer".

                            Chinese new year? Forget about Trump's racist warnings! Come to the parade!

                            DeBlasio, Councilman Stein, others I've forgotten - they were more determined to thumb their noses at Trump then to heed the precautions as the rest of the state, the rest of the country, was doing.

                            And Cuomo, endlessly dithering about the recommendations, determined to resist suggestions about making them mandatory until it was too late.






                            The rest of the US is doing better, but not great. Nothing to be so proud of.
                            As well as Germany. And Merkel is lauded for her leadership.



                            I haven't voted in US elections in many years.
                            and I haven't voted in Israeli elections for at least that long

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                            • Originally posted by chair View Post

                              Taiwan is real Sorry.
                              very low testing rate - curious

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                              • Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                                and I haven't voted in Israeli elections for at least that long
                                I'm a US citizen.

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