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  • ok doser
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    Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
    ... the responsibility of those who incited this killer ....

    .... why a racist killed all those people in El Paso.

    Thank you barbie, for demonstrating so effectively why trump will be elected to a second term

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by George Affleck View Post
    How is it possible for reasonably smart people to run so far off the rails? For someone who can obviously handle day-to-day tasks, you consistently make the list for lack of wisdom.
    There's no reason for this type of insult. Knock it off.

    You have, once again, labeled omnipotent God,
    Rather, "omnipotent" is a label you have applied to God, when it is not Biblical. "Omnipotent" means "all powerful," or, "having all power." God has delegated some of His power to principalities, powers, and authorities.

    and His Word, impotent
    This is based on the prima facie statement above, that God is omnipotent.

    in areas that you have unilaterally decided He can't work in.
    Where have I said He couldn't work in them?

    All I have said is that trying to put new wine (God's word) into old wineskins (a school system that used to teach God and His word) would cause the wineskins to break, and you would lose the wine.

    Better to start fresh with new wineskins (for example, requiring that parents teach their own children).

    This is the same kind of misunderstanding as thinking that the Jews rejected Christ so the Kingdom was postponed.
    This is another prima facie statement.

    Please stop saying God can be pushed out of anywhere. It is impossible.
    It's not.

    Used to be that God was taught by the school system of America.

    Now if you teach God, you're likely to lose your job as a teacher for not toeing the line set by people who reject God.

    But you can teach any other religion and they'll accept you.

    He can decide to leave people to their own machinations, but it is never at the expense of losing control of any situation.
    Sure. But that does not inherently contradict the position that people can push Him out of their lives.

    In fact, it's the main reason God will send them to the Lake of Fire, because He will honor their desire to be separated from Him.

    He rules in the darkest corners of the cosmos.
    What does that have to do with anything?

    This is not a universe where two opposing ideas clash in a battle of Titans.
    On one side, you have submission to God, and on the other, you have rebellion against Him.

    How do those two things NOT clash?

    Satan lost whatever war he thought existed in the garden when God promised Christ would crush him at the cross.
    Well, no, the war is still ongoing, though I do agree with scripture that the ending has already been decided.

    Hatred/evil
    Hatred is not inherently evil. If it were, then God would not hate or command us to hate.

    These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood,A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil,A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren. - Proverbs 6:16-19 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV

    Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. - Romans 12:9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV

    does not exist as a force;
    Sure it (evil, not hatred) does.

    Not in any literal sense, but its effects are still felt in the world.

    it is the absence of the perfect love of God.
    I address this below.

    Darkness is the absence of light, silence is the absence of sound, cold is the absence of heat,
    No disagreement there.

    evil is the absence of love.
    Rather, evil is rebellion against God.

    Further, schools cannot "have God in them".
    You seem to be taking everything I say as literal.

    That is not the case.

    By "God has been kicked out of the public schools," I simply mean that God, His existence, and His standard for right and wrong are no longer taught in schools.

    Only individual people can make that claim.
    Well, no.

    If a nation is Godless, as Israel was several times throughout their history, then He and His values are not present in the nation as a whole.

    Can you not see that my call "C'mon Dems, help us put the Bible back in schools if you really care." is a call to individual liberals to abandon an ideology that doesn't work?
    That's not what that phrase means.

    George, words have meaning, and certain strings of words have certain meanings.

    What you said, "C'mon Dems, help us put the Bible back in schools if you really care," is not a call to individual liberals to "abandon an ideology that doesn't work," it's asking them to put God back into a system that once had God in it. It is, itself, based on an ideology that doesn't work, ie, putting new wine into old wineskins. And while there's nothing inherently wrong with putting God back into the Godless school system, time would be better spent forming a new system that inherently has God as a part of it.

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  • The Barbarian
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    Originally posted by George Affleck View Post
    You have bought in to the lie that says we can determine what the political affiliation was of a murderer by the evidence he leaves behind.
    Barbarian observes:
    Not hard to figure out when he blames environmental problems on Hispanics.

    Typical leftist deflection.
    When you think that reality is a "leftist deflection", it's clear what the problem is.

    Your denial of responsibility is part of the problem.
    I know the reality. My daughter and her friends brought God into school every day, prayed there, and met with others them to pray.

    Anyone who says God was taken out of public schools, hasn't been there in a long time.[/quote]

    Denying the responsibility of those who incited this killer won't work. As you see, public schools never removed God; He's there in countless students who exercise their rights to pray, bring Sacred literature, and wear religious symbols.

    And if some school administrator doesn't get the message, the ACLU will haul him into court and force him to permit it.

    That's the reality. And it has nothing to do with why a racist killed all those people in El Paso.

    And people know it. No point in denying it.

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by ok doser View Post
    Awwww - poor deluded trump haters - once again another fail


    Good try though!
    I'm constantly reminded, with each one of these Trump related "crimes" (if you can call some of them that), of Ecclesiastes 8:11 and Deuteronomy 17:12-13

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  • ok doser
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    Awwww - poor deluded trump haters - once again another fail


    Good try though!

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  • ok doser
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    And it appears that most of them don't involve actual acts of physical violence

    It appears they were also counting internet tough guy rhetoric - "in trump's America, we know how to take care of people like you!"

    That kind of silly nonsense

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  • ok doser
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    But wait - seven of those opposed trump

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  • ok doser
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    36, huh?

    That sounds like a lot!

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  • annabenedetti
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    'No Blame?' ABC News finds 36 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults.

    The 36 cases identified by ABC News are remarkable in that a link to the president is captured in court documents and police statements, under the penalty of perjury or contempt.

    In many cases of assault or threat, charges are never filed, perpetrators are never identified or the incident is never even reported to authorities. And most criminal acts committed by Trump supporters or his detractors have nothing to do with the president. But in 36 cases, court records and police reports indicated some sort of link.

    The perpetrators and suspects identified in the 36 cases are mostly white men -- as young as teenagers and as old as 75 -- while the victims largely represent an array of minority groups -- African-Americans, Latinos, Muslims and gay men.

    Federal law enforcement authorities have privately told ABC News they worry that -- even with Trump's public denunciations of violence -- Trump's stylecould inspire violence-prone individuals to take action against minorities or others they perceive to be against the president's agenda.

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  • George Affleck
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    *(It's Nineveh, btw )

    To stick to the analogy, Nineveh was a new wineskin, never before used.

    But the Godless schools in our nation today used to have God in them, He's just been pushed out. They are old wineskins. Putting God's word back into them would break them, and you'd lose the wine.

    Patching the schools with new cloth would only tear the fabric they're made of, to use the other analogy Jesus used.

    What God did with Nineveh was to give new clothes to them, not patch up their old ones.
    How is it possible for reasonably smart people to run so far off the rails? For someone who can obviously handle day-to-day tasks, you consistently make the list for lack of wisdom.

    You have, once again, labeled omnipotent God, and His Word, impotent in areas that you have unilaterally decided He can't work in. This is the same kind of misunderstanding as thinking that the Jews rejected Christ so the Kingdom was postponed.
    Please stop saying God can be pushed out of anywhere. It is impossible.
    He can decide to leave people to their own machinations, but it is never at the expense of losing control of any situation. He rules in the darkest corners of the cosmos.

    This is not a universe where two opposing ideas clash in a battle of Titans. Satan lost whatever war he thought existed in the garden when God promised Christ would crush him at the cross. Hatred/evil does not exist as a force; it is the absence of the perfect love of God. Darkness is the absence of light, silence is the absence of sound, cold is the absence of heat, evil is the absence of love.

    Further, schools cannot "have God in them". Only individual people can make that claim. Can you not see that my call "C'mon Dems, help us put the Bible back in schools if you really care." is a call to individual liberals to abandon an ideology that doesn't work?

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  • The Barbarian
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    *(It's Nineveh, btw )

    To stick to the analogy, Nineveh was a new wineskin, never before used.

    But the Godless schools in our nation today used to have God in them, He's just been pushed out.
    Worship of Caesar has been pushed out. But God remains. ACLU has always defended the rights of public school students to pray, carry a Bible (or other religious text) and to publicly worship on school property.

    The only restriction is that government can't get involved; our religious freedoms keep public school officials from promoting or restricting worship. The only limit is that such worship cannot disrupt instruction.

    So my daughter and her friends could have public prayer in front of the flagpole each day, meet during school hours for Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and so on.

    But that's not what establishmentarians want. They want to force others to worship as they dictate. And that's not going to happen. Yes, the law was scoffed at in many places and many times in our history. That's over now. Religious freedom, including the right to pray, carry a Bible, and to wear religious symbols is firmly enforced now.

    God never left school; Caesar-worship got kicked out. And his minions have been furious every since.

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by George Affleck View Post
    Agree/disagree.

    Here's the disagreement part:
    It is not me who first thought of putting God's Word into a Godless system.
    God himself did it.

    According to you Nineveh* can never happen.
    *(It's Nineveh, btw )

    To stick to the analogy, Nineveh was a new wineskin, never before used.

    But the Godless schools in our nation today used to have God in them, He's just been pushed out. They are old wineskins. Putting God's word back into them would break them, and you'd lose the wine.

    Patching the schools with new cloth would only tear the fabric they're made of, to use the other analogy Jesus used.

    What God did with Nineveh was to give new clothes to them, not patch up their old ones.

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  • George Affleck
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    Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Not hard to figure out when ...
    Typical leftist deflection.

    Your denial of responsibility is part of the problem.

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  • George Affleck
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Rather, we should get kids OUT of the Godless schools. Be homeschooled.

    You can't put new wine into old wineskins, or they'll break.

    Putting God's word back into a Godless system won't work.
    Agree/disagree.

    Here's the disagreement part:
    It is not me who first thought of putting God's Word into a Godless system.
    God himself did it.

    According to you Ninevah can never happen.

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