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  • Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
    I wonder what the average productive life of a thread is...this one managed to really move inside a 24 hour period. I'll see if there's a way to find out.
    I have started threads that were not to be drawn out or have 100 replies. So have others. Take Delmar's dog thread. He just wanted to honor his dog who passed, and probably isn't looking to have the thread hang around.
    Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Titus 1

    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

    Ephesians 5

    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    • Originally posted by Nick M View Post
      I have started threads that were not to be drawn out or have 100 replies. So have others. Take Delmar's dog thread. He just wanted to honor his dog who passed, and probably isn't looking to have the thread hang around.
      Yeah. I've seen a number of those. I started a handful myself, like one on a Christian prayer center scam and another on that Ragu commercial a while back. And sometimes we start one and no one cares, like the Oscars thread. I bet most people with 100 threads or more have hit on those notes. It will likely tend to average out.

      It's much harder to figure at the lower end, where a paucity of threads could either draw people to the few a poster makes (if he or she is widely liked) or miss audiences the way any number of threads can fall through the cracks because no one is looking for the poster to make one...that sort of thing. There are so many angles to look at...that's what's so interesting about it to me.

      Interesting and there are some things to be encouraged by, but it shouldn't make anyone feel worse for wear if they're looking at it right. Take my old foe Sod, who thinks this is about making him feel ineffective or something. He's not. In fact, his rep in relation to time served tells you he has at least a cadre of people who very much want to hear what he has to say. Sometimes a strident voice or a narrow focus will narrow the numbers correspondingly. So he can either grumble about not being a wider draw or enjoy the interest he does generate, or alter his method or focus and expand the base if that interests him.

      It's just numbers people. No one is losing a limb.

      But maybe a few of you will feel more appreciated or less marginalized.
      You aren't what you eat, but you're always what you swallow.

      Pro-Life






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      • Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
        Yeah. I've seen a number of those. I started a handful myself, like one on a Christian prayer center scam and another on that Ragu commercial a while back. And sometimes we start one and no one cares, like the Oscars thread. I bet most people with 100 threads or more have hit on those notes. It will likely tend to average out.

        It's much harder to figure at the lower end, where a paucity of threads could either draw people to the few a poster makes (if he or she is widely liked) or miss audiences the way any number of threads can fall through the cracks because no one is looking for the poster to make one...that sort of thing. There are so many angles to look at...that's what's so interesting about it to me.

        Interesting and there are some things to be encouraged by, but it shouldn't make anyone feel worse for wear if they're looking at it right. Take my old foe Sod, who thinks this is about making him feel ineffective or something. He's not. In fact, his rep in relation to time served tells you he has at least a cadre of people who very much want to hear what he has to say. Sometimes a strident voice or a narrow focus will narrow the numbers correspondingly. So he can either grumble about not being a wider draw or enjoy the interest he does generate, or alter his method or focus and expand the base if that interests him.

        It's just numbers people. No one is losing a limb.

        But maybe a few of you will feel more appreciated or less marginalized.
        I agree! It is just numbers! And about as interesting as watching PureX malign America!

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        • Originally posted by zoo22 View Post
          Sorry, I don't think there's much to read into these numbers overall. There are so many various possible reasons for them, and they're so dependent on the individuals.

          Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
          We disagree.
          Yes, we do.

          There's too much to consider beyond/behind the numbers to read much into them.

          Psalmist
          Threads: 100
          More than a thousand views: 5
          More than 100 posts: 2



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          • Originally posted by zoo22 View Post
            Yes, we do.

            There's too much to consider beyond/behind the numbers to read much into them.

            Psalmist
            Threads: 100
            More than a thousand views: 5
            More than 100 posts: 2
            One of the things I think you find in examining any set of numbers, any guiding rule or point made by them is that there are exceptions to be had. That's a given.

            And if you cherry pick the right poster, say one who is primarily responsible for near daily threads in celebration of birthdays, threads that by their nature won't reach either number I noted, then you might appear to make a point that, on average, you don't.

            It does give me an idea though...I wonder if people who post primarily or exclusively in religious threads fare more poorly than those who concentrate politically or humorously...I suspect at the outset that they might, but I haven't looked at it yet.


            Originally posted by bybee View Post
            I agree! It is just numbers! And about as interesting as watching PureX malign America!
            I find it fascinating. I think numbers can tell us very interesting things. I noted a few in my last to you. But if you don't find it compelling I'm going to be among the very last to force you to read further.
            You aren't what you eat, but you're always what you swallow.

            Pro-Life






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            • Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
              One of the things I think you find in examining any set of numbers, any guiding rule or point made by them is that there are exceptions to be had. That's a given.

              And if you cherry pick the right poster, say one who is primarily responsible for near daily threads in celebration of birthdays, threads that by their nature won't reach either number I noted, then you might appear to make a point that, on average, you don't.

              It does give me an idea though...I wonder if people who post primarily or exclusively in religious threads fare more poorly than those who concentrate politically or humorously...I suspect at the outset that they might, but I haven't looked at it yet.
              Well Dearie! I read everything you post, regardless!


              I find it fascinating. I think numbers can tell us very interesting things. I noted a few in my last to you. But if you don't find it compelling I'm going to be among the very last to force you to read further.

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              • Originally posted by bybee View Post
                Well Dearie! I read everything you post, regardless!
                Right back at you.
                You aren't what you eat, but you're always what you swallow.

                Pro-Life






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                • Problem is TH, I doubt [mea culpa] and hope you don't have enough time to spend on this to give us enlightening figures...

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                  • Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
                    Right back at you.
                    I read everything regardless you post.

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                    • Originally posted by xAvarice View Post
                      Problem is TH, I doubt [mea culpa] and hope you don't have enough time to spend on this to give us enlightening figures...
                      i worked for ten years at a fortune 500 company doing statistical analysis


                      give me a data set and tell me what conclusion you want it to support and i'll give you a massaged set of data that supports that conclusion

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                      • Originally posted by resurrected View Post
                        i worked for ten years at a fortune 500 company doing statistical analysis


                        give me a data set and tell me what conclusion you want it to support and i'll give you a massaged set of data that supports that conclusion
                        Did I hear the word massaged?

                        HERE COMES ACW.

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                        • Originally posted by xAvarice View Post
                          Problem is TH, I doubt [mea culpa] and hope you don't have enough time to spend on this to give us enlightening figures...
                          It doesn't take long...finding out averages like post duration would and I won't. But the numbers I saw and presented, which I found encouraging for the general membership and aim, were as easy as running through no more than a handful of pages per poster, making two columns and noting where the threads hit marks. A great many easily obtained numbers can give you all sorts of insights if you think about them in relation. I think there are some interesting contextual bits to explore along those lines, but it will depend on time and interest.

                          You could argue that most of us are wasting most of our time writing on boards anyway, but if it's entertaining and/or illuminating and can be fit into, integrated into a productive life, then it's no more a waste than a round of golf or stamp collecting.
                          You aren't what you eat, but you're always what you swallow.

                          Pro-Life






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                          • Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
                            It doesn't take long...finding out averages like post duration would and I won't. But the numbers I saw and presented, which I found encouraging for the general membership and aim, were as easy as running through no more than a handful of pages per poster, making two columns and noting where the threads hit marks. A great many easily obtained numbers can give you all sorts of insights if you think about them in relation. I think there are some interesting contextual bits to explore along those lines, but it will depend on time and interest.

                            You could argue that most of us are wasting most of our time writing on boards anyway, but if it's entertaining and/or illuminating and can be fit into, integrated into a productive life, then it's no more a waste than a round of golf or stamp collecting.
                            Don't get nihilistic or ruin my deluded fantasies of fame and fortune via posting on here!

                            But I'm familiar with your point. (In a manner of speaking) it can get disheartening to know that you're wasting your time, but it's a subtle kind of reward... as are most methods of leisurely proclivities.

                            The thing about subtlety is that the difference is so minuscule, you can either say it's absolutely pointless, or relatively gigantic in reward. It depends upon a macro/micro perspective and I think, pragmatically it's a huge difference in comparison.

                            Edit: To other alternatives, supra.

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                            • Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
                              It's just numbers people. No one is losing a limb.

                              But maybe a few of you will feel more appreciated or less marginalized.
                              I just wanted a few people that feel slighted to not feel so bad.
                              Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                              Titus 1

                              For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                              Ephesians 5

                              11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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                              • How about a thread keeping track of how many people report posts, compared to infractions handed out ex post facto of said report. I just wanted to use a little esquire lingo for you.
                                Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                                Titus 1

                                For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                                Ephesians 5

                                11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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