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  • Originally posted by Nang View Post
    Who designed, created, and provided watermelons?

    If you ate a watermelon today, it is only because God provided you a watermelon.

    (Hint: Choice is not as determinative as creation.)

    Just because company x provides the materials for company y to make a car, does not mean company x is the cause or maker of the car. Just because God gives us creative free will, ability to procreate (we, not God, has volitional sex), etc. does not make Him the first or primary cause of everything.

    Did God invent or make plastic? Giving us intelligence does not make Him the cause or provider, directly.

    Does God or perverted men make porn movies (free will can also be abused, but contingently, not of necessity)?

    Can man breed plants and animals and come up with new variations? Does this still make God the first cause?

    trbhjhj=9[e4jh=9r4jnh=9wrjnh=90rtnhj=rnyju Me or God?

    Do watermelons fall out of the sky at your house? I must go to the store. Do I cut them, open my mouth, eat them, or am I a puppet on a string, locked in an illusory Matrix?
    Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

    They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
    I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

    Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

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    • Originally posted by godrulz View Post
      Just because company x provides the materials for company y to make a car, does not mean company x is the cause or maker of the car.
      God did not provide material for man to make watermelons. God created watermelons. God is the first cause of watermelons.

      "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

      " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
      Gordon H. Clark

      "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
      Charles Spurgeon

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      • Originally posted by Nang View Post
        Who designed, created, and provided watermelons?

        If you ate a watermelon today, it is only because God provided you a watermelon.

        (Hint: Choice is not as determinative as creation.)
        I do, of coarse, believe that God created watermelon, but some people do not eat watermelon. Did God foreordain that I would eat watermelon today?

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        • Originally posted by Nang View Post
          God did not provide material for man to make watermelons. God created watermelons. God is the first cause of watermelons.


          He also gave man and animals the ability to procreate and plants to propagate. An intelligent Creator can make things that do not need to be micromanaged. We are stewards of the planet. Have you noticed we are not doing a very good job? If God was micromanaging, we would still be in Paradise.

          Aren't you going to take my bait and say I am not a Christian because of my Open Theist leanings?
          Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

          They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
          I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

          Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

          "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

          The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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          • Originally posted by Delmar View Post
            I do, of coarse, believe that God created watermelon, but some people do not eat watermelon. Did God foreordain that I would eat watermelon today?
            How would I know whether you ate watermelon today, or not?

            And what does it matter whether I know if you ate watermelon today, or not?

            You either did, or you did not, but if you did, God gave you the watermelon to eat.

            Praise God for the watermelon that Delmar ate (or did not eat)!

            Nang
            "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

            " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
            Gordon H. Clark

            "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
            Charles Spurgeon

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            • Originally posted by Nang View Post
              How would I know whether you ate watermelon today, or not?

              And what does it matter whether I know if you ate watermelon today, or not?

              You either did, or you did not, but if you did, God gave you the watermelon to eat.

              Praise God for the watermelon that Delmar ate (or did not eat)!

              Nang

              Did God give me a cold or constipation too? Did He personally give me my direct deposit pay check? Just because He gives us life does not mean He lives our lives as if we are sock puppets.
              Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

              They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
              I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

              Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

              "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

              The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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              • Originally posted by Yorzhik View Post
                Did you already answer my thought experiment. Ummm, you did. I remember now. you said it was interesting or some such.

                Nevermind.
                Must be an OV inside joke, I don't get it.
                Last edited by Lon; July 12, 2007, 11:01 PM. Reason: I hate being out of the Loop :Z
                My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                ? Yep

                Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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                • Originally posted by Philetus View Post
                  Got butter?



                  Never mind. I found it.
                  You 'edited' that?

                  Yep, I got butter. What'd ya do? Misspelled word? Butter on the keyboard? Add the 'never mind?'
                  My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                  Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                  Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                  Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                  No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                  Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                  ? Yep

                  Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                  ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                  Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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                  • Originally posted by Delmar View Post
                    I do, of coarse, believe that God created watermelon, but some people do not eat watermelon. Did God foreordain that I would eat watermelon today?
                    Why not? His purpose was for you to eat it then post this question, exposing your misunderstandings and possibly leading others (maybe lurkers?) to think harder about what they have staked their eternal souls upon? Every action we take is a potential witness, good or bad, to others. Do you deny it? Your purport some autonomy you have not been granted. I am have more freedom in my home than my son. Do you somehow think you have more freedom than God in His creation?

                    If you believe that out of tragedy God, and only God, can bring good, then why stop there? I gain great comfort knowing that God is directing His creation to bring about His glory and our eternal happiness. Do you not think that for every thing there is a purpose in God's creation?
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                    • Originally posted by Lonster View Post
                      Must be an OV inside joke, I don't get it.
                      It isn't a joke. I just kinda remember that you kinda answered the question.
                      Good things come to those who shoot straight.

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                      • Originally posted by Yorzhik View Post
                        It isn't a joke. I just kinda remember that you kinda answered the question.
                        Which kind of makes it funnier actually. Thanks for the clarifier.

                        Lon
                        My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                        Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                        Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                        Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                        No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                        Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                        ? Yep

                        Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                        ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                        Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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                        • Originally posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post

                          If you believe that out of tragedy God, and only God, can bring good, then why stop there? I gain great comfort knowing that God is directing His creation to bring about His glory and our eternal happiness. Do you not think that for every thing there is a purpose in God's creation?
                          Beautiful restatement of Ecclesiastes.
                          My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                          Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                          Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                          Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                          No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                          Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                          ? Yep

                          Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                          ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                          Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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                          • Originally posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
                            Why not? His purpose was for you to eat it then post this question,
                            Nang said "God does not dictate to you what to wear or eat, that is your choice" and I am simply trying to get a straight answer out of her. Did I choose
                            to eat watermelon last night, or did God foreordain it?
                            exposing your misunderstandings and possibly leading others (maybe lurkers?) to think harder about what they have staked their eternal souls upon? Every action we take is a potential witness, good or bad, to others. Do you deny it? Your purport some autonomy you have not been granted. I am have more freedom in my home than my son. Do you somehow think you have more freedom than God in His creation?
                            I do believe God granted the ability to choose what I want to eat for a particular meal.

                            If you believe that out of tragedy God, and only God, can bring good, then why stop there? I gain great comfort knowing that God is directing His creation to bring about His glory and our eternal happiness. Do you not think that for every thing there is a purpose in God's creation?
                            God does not do evil that good may come of it! I do no believe that it is God's purpose for children to be molested, or for women to be raped. I do believe when these unspeakable things happen to a person God can teach them how to use it for good!
                            Last edited by Delmar; July 13, 2007, 05:09 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by Lonster View Post
                              You 'edited' that?

                              Yep, I got butter. What'd ya do? Misspelled word? Butter on the keyboard? Add the 'never mind?'
                              Actually, after posting the first question “got butter” in reaction to your popcorn ....
                              I went back and added the second comment “Never mind” after reading on and FINDING your butter.

                              Honestly, I've never seen more nit-picking and avoidance of the issues and low blows and cheep shots as are going on in this thread. I can't decide if it’s just fun or a complete farce.


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                              • Originally posted by Philetus View Post
                                I can't decide if it’s just fun or a complete farce.

                                I for one am not having any fun.
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