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  • Bright Raven
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    Originally posted by freelight View Post
    That's been addressed here previously. The Testimonium Flavianum is at least partially a Christian 'interpolation' if not entirely.

    See: Josephus Untangled

    Even if its assumed that portions of the TF are authentic (parts are generally accepted as being 'added'), its a second hand report of a story circulating decades after the event and does not prove Jesus existed in the 'form' he is assumed to have been in by modern day christians, but its totally out of place in the narrative also having other problems. It cannot hold as solid historical evidence for Jesus since its been tampered with by scribes. On the whole it proves little but reiterating a story about a wise man named Jesus.




    pj
    You need to rethink your view.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

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  • freelight
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    Adding to the text...........

    Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Writings of Jesus are in the annals of Flavius Josephus The Antiquities of the Jews.
    That's been addressed here previously. The Testimonium Flavianum is at least partially a Christian 'interpolation' if not entirely.

    See: Josephus Untangled

    Even if its assumed that portions of the TF are authentic (parts are generally accepted as being 'added'), its a second hand report of a story circulating decades after the event and does not prove Jesus existed in the 'form' he is assumed to have been in by modern day christians, but its totally out of place in the narrative also having other problems. It cannot hold as solid historical evidence for Jesus since its been tampered with by scribes. On the whole it proves little but reiterating a story about a wise man named Jesus.




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  • Bright Raven
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    Writings of Jesus are in the annals of Flavius Josephus The Antiquities of the Jews.

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  • freelight
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  • freelight
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    Originally posted by freelight View Post
    ~*~*~

    Gotta love the fun and witty Robert M. Price,...here he goes over skepticism and the historical method. An underlying theme was 'Jesus is dead' (also the title of a book of articles by said author), as to questioning the resurrection story, but he goes on to cover lots of good stuff concerning what the criteria is in historical methodology and finding out what historical events are most probable versus what is open to revision.

    Skepticism and historical probability


    Robert takes a more agnostic skeptical approach, which leaves the window open to learn more and revise one's hypothesis. Such is aligned with the scientific method.






    pj

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  • freelight
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    Historical skepticism.......

    ~*~*~

    Gotta love the fun and witty Robert M. Price,...here he goes over skepticism and the historical method. An underlying theme was 'Jesus is dead' (title of a book of articles by said author), as to questioning the resurrection story, but he goes on to cover lots of good stuff concerning what the criteria is in historical methodology and finding out what historical events are most probable versus what is open to revision.

    Skepticism and historical probability


    Robert takes a more agnostic skeptical approach, which leaves the window open to learn more and revise one's hypothesis. Such is aligned with the scientific method.






    pj

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  • aikido7
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    So can anyone here please give me science evidence or other evidence that Christ lived outside the use of the bible or an religious form of information??
    Josephus, Tacitus and some others mention Jesus. All the historical secular sources of them have three things in common with the gospels.

    There was a man Jesus.
    There was a movement inspired by him.
    And it continued after his death.

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  • geralduk
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    Every TRUE biblical BORNagain child of God is proof That He who is God and who's record and testomony is found in the BIBLE and by such has proved Himself to be God and beside Him there is no other.
    Has not only proved for themselves that HE IS in truth God but by thier very lives testyfy of and give witness to the FACT.

    For they have acknowldged and recognised that what the bible said about themselves whom they did know that we and all have siined and have come short of the glory of God and we sin because we are sinners.
    Found that upon THAT acknowldgement and confession that we then came to an understanding of the truth about Him who we did not know.
    and so acted according to the Word of God in faith believeing and what did we find?
    That that which was unknown became known and that which we did not have we now have namel;y peace with God and a joy unspeakable and full of glory.
    That what men and I put thier faith in BEFORE has and is increasingly proving to be false and is passing away.
    But thier faith who now is in Him is seen ,day by day to be more certain and is manifestly true and right.
    Seeing that what is acted upon but unseen ALWAYS works!
    While that which the whole world acts upon "namely the apearence of things" shows that they are wrong!even as I was once.

    The whole of creation (apart from man actions) proves that HE IS REAL but men unwilling to acknowledge that THEY are wrong BLINDS THEM TO THE TRUTH.
    So having ears they hear not and eyes but see not.
    The world testyfies that MANS way is NOT the way.
    While all who have repeneted and believed on Him have found that GODS WAY who is JESUS Christ is not only THE way but is MANIFESTLY so to all that walk in it.

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  • c.moore
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    I heard this story of Christ being in the zodiac.

    http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/david16.html

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  • c.moore
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    Originally posted by jjjg

    C.Moore, get what authentic, original information on the myths you can and think for yourself. That's the problem with Fundamentalists like yourself. You don't use reason and think for yourself.

    Granite, before you go more over your head, maybe you should stop.

    Your comments on Roman history and church history is makiing you look more and more like an idiot!

    You guys have cooked up this huge thread that amounted to a manure pile.

    C.Moore, I still like your drumset. With the ten million you owe me, I might buy one.
    No the world would owe you because if you answered the question with positive facts and evidence Of Christ existance your name and yourself would be in the greatest book of discovery, also every scholar and teacher and historians would be ringing your phone and thanking you for finding the answer which they have researched , studied , and looked for hundred of years and are still looking for the answers or the proofs.
    If you had the proof them they wouldn`t have to continue findiing proofs.

    So think al little more and become an instant professor or genius and of course a millionaire.


    also if you are so smart you can invent your own drum set which other will also pay you for your creativity and professional proof of a new drum sets.chuckle:

    Good luck:

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  • Granite
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    Originally posted by jjjg

    C.Moore, get what authentic, original information on the myths you can and think for yourself. That's the problem with Fundamentalists like yourself. You don't use reason and think for yourself.

    Granite, before you go more over your head, maybe you should stop.

    Your comments on Roman history and church history is makiing you look more and more like an idiot!

    You guys have cooked up this huge thread that amounted to a manure pile.

    C.Moore, I still like your drumset. With the ten million you owe me, I might buy one.
    What comments were those?

    By the way, name calling and spell check are not mutually exclusive.

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  • jjjg
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    C.Moore, get what authentic, original information on the myths you can and think for yourself. That's the problem with Fundamentalists like yourself. You don't use reason and think for yourself.

    Granite, before you go more over your head, maybe you should stop.

    Your comments on Roman history and church history is makiing you look more and more like an idiot!

    You guys have cooked up this huge thread that amounted to a manure pile.

    C.Moore, I still like your drumset. With the ten million you owe me, I might buy one.

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  • c.moore
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    People hear can hear what the mythology teach teaches by the interview I did with him on German tv.

    it is very interesting and to many convincing.

    You can download the whole video which is together 53 minutes , so I broke it down in parts so all part will be shown.

    You have to go to my yahoo address and down load the video`s from there.

    http://www.yahoo.com

    go and check in the mail.

    my yahoo name which I made for all to use to watch the film is this:
    name: disjockey_1

    the pass word is : germany

    go to the inbox and download the different video`s also you can read the things i have scanned


    God Bless

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