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  • Having been on the receiving end of bigotry I can assure you it's the last thing I am or ever will be. And informing me of my lack of education--I mean, you, of all people--is a real hoot.




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    • I think you've proven that your 'contribution' to this thread is flushed down the toilet.

      Don't accuse others of being fanatics when you are showing the same bigotry in your posts.

      As for the education question, not admitting to your own stupidity just makes you look twice as stupid.

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      • Originally posted by jjjg

        I think you've proven that your 'contribution' to this thread is flushed down the toilet.

        Don't accuse others of being fanatics when you are showing the same bigotry in your posts.

        As for the education question, not admitting to your own stupidity just makes you look twice as stupid.
        With apologies to c. moore, nobody but you has flushed this thread. It's characteristic of Christians, confronting the paucity of evidence to support their faith, to fight tooth and nail, dig in, and refuse to face facts. But, that's what you have to do.




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        • Originally posted by granite1010

          Look, man, nothing you say or do is gonna make me change my mind, and vice versa. People choose to believe what they believe. Nothing changes the fact that the Josephus passage is a) likely fake, and b) if originally accurate, was heavily embellished by the church. So it doesn't much prove anything one way or another. You've said yourself that secular historians mean less to you than "Christian sources" (whatever that means) so why even bother wasting your time on this?

          The problem with Bible-thumping fanatics like yourself is that it's impossible to have a rational, reasoned discussion. Ancient myths resemble Christianity? Must be Satan. The Bible contradicts itself? Well, we don't talk about that. There's no evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus? Big whoop, just take it on faith. Worse comes to worse? Just find a half-baked website to placate yourself, cross your arms, close your eyes, and stick your head in the sand. Praise the Lord and pass the Bible NyQuil: the drowsy non-thinking going to heaven sleepy time medicine.

          If this tunnel-vision thinking and self-satisfied ignorance is the fruit of your faith, you can keep it.
          you have many good points and makes alot of sense.
          Even though i do believe in Christ Jesus as my Lord I do admit you have alot more reasoning and logics on your side and even many other pastors and real scholars will be with you and on your side of the factuals theories.

          I have made a choice to accept this blind faith ,as many might see but That is my life and my choice which I am happy and see Jesus as the God of my life.

          I see also that Josephus story has been forged in many ways and will turn again and change sometime in the future.

          Either a person will believe in Christ or will not.
          Even if the facts was shown many will not still believe.

          Look at doubting Thomas he still never believed, he had to have proof of Jesus resurrection by seeing the physical and that is not believing, what a shame.

          faith please God period.
          www.revivaldisco.com

          Proverb:3:13: Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

          1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
          1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

          Proverb:12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
          Proverb:12:16: A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.
          Proverb:12:17: He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
          Evangelist c.moore

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          • The evidence is from historical scholars, Granite not religious fanatics.

            You can say the same thing for you that you will fight tooth and nail to try to discredit Christianity. In fact, that's where these whole arguments started.

            People find obvious historical evidence and the bigots hold on to theories discredited by historical analysis.

            They then say that it is religious fanatics holding on to beliefs but it was these same "fanatics" that had the objectivity to question the historical evidence in the first place and shed new light on it.

            As for C.Moore. Don't assume that people are not going to go look up what these Horus myths have to say for themselves and see if they correlate to what you state. It makes you look extremely stupid!

            P.S. C.Moore, where's my ten million you promised?

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            • I'm not sure what scholars you're referring to.

              I don't need to fight tooth and nail to discredit Christianity. The church's own track record shows its fruits throughout human history. Remember, I'm not the one with something to prove.




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              • Originally posted by jjjg

                The evidence is from historical scholars, Granite not religious fanatics.

                You can say the same thing for you that you will fight tooth and nail to try to discredit Christianity. In fact, that's where these whole arguments started.

                People find obvious historical evidence and the bigots hold on to theories discredited by historical analysis.

                They then say that it is religious fanatics holding on to beliefs but it was these same "fanatics" that had the objectivity to question the historical evidence in the first place and shed new light on it.

                As for C.Moore. Don't assume that people are not going to go look up what these Horus myths have to say for themselves and see if they correlate to what you state. It makes you look extremely stupid!

                P.S. C.Moore, where's my ten million you promised?
                you still haven`t shown any proof logical historical proofs.

                try your luck again
                www.revivaldisco.com

                Proverb:3:13: Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

                1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
                1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

                Proverb:12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
                Proverb:12:16: A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.
                Proverb:12:17: He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
                Evangelist c.moore

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                • People hear can hear what the mythology teach teaches by the interview I did with him on German tv.

                  it is very interesting and to many convincing.

                  You can download the whole video which is together 53 minutes , so I broke it down in parts so all part will be shown.

                  You have to go to my yahoo address and down load the video`s from there.

                  http://www.yahoo.com

                  go and check in the mail.

                  my yahoo name which I made for all to use to watch the film is this:
                  name: disjockey_1

                  the pass word is : germany

                  go to the inbox and download the different video`s also you can read the things i have scanned


                  God Bless
                  www.revivaldisco.com

                  Proverb:3:13: Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

                  1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
                  1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

                  Proverb:12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
                  Proverb:12:16: A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.
                  Proverb:12:17: He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
                  Evangelist c.moore

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                  • C.Moore, get what authentic, original information on the myths you can and think for yourself. That's the problem with Fundamentalists like yourself. You don't use reason and think for yourself.

                    Granite, before you go more over your head, maybe you should stop.

                    Your comments on Roman history and church history is makiing you look more and more like an idiot!

                    You guys have cooked up this huge thread that amounted to a manure pile.

                    C.Moore, I still like your drumset. With the ten million you owe me, I might buy one.

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                    • Originally posted by jjjg

                      C.Moore, get what authentic, original information on the myths you can and think for yourself. That's the problem with Fundamentalists like yourself. You don't use reason and think for yourself.

                      Granite, before you go more over your head, maybe you should stop.

                      Your comments on Roman history and church history is makiing you look more and more like an idiot!

                      You guys have cooked up this huge thread that amounted to a manure pile.

                      C.Moore, I still like your drumset. With the ten million you owe me, I might buy one.
                      What comments were those?

                      By the way, name calling and spell check are not mutually exclusive.




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                      • Originally posted by jjjg

                        C.Moore, get what authentic, original information on the myths you can and think for yourself. That's the problem with Fundamentalists like yourself. You don't use reason and think for yourself.

                        Granite, before you go more over your head, maybe you should stop.

                        Your comments on Roman history and church history is makiing you look more and more like an idiot!

                        You guys have cooked up this huge thread that amounted to a manure pile.

                        C.Moore, I still like your drumset. With the ten million you owe me, I might buy one.
                        No the world would owe you because if you answered the question with positive facts and evidence Of Christ existance your name and yourself would be in the greatest book of discovery, also every scholar and teacher and historians would be ringing your phone and thanking you for finding the answer which they have researched , studied , and looked for hundred of years and are still looking for the answers or the proofs.
                        If you had the proof them they wouldn`t have to continue findiing proofs.

                        So think al little more and become an instant professor or genius and of course a millionaire.


                        also if you are so smart you can invent your own drum set which other will also pay you for your creativity and professional proof of a new drum sets.chuckle:

                        Good luck:
                        www.revivaldisco.com

                        Proverb:3:13: Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

                        1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
                        1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

                        Proverb:12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
                        Proverb:12:16: A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.
                        Proverb:12:17: He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
                        Evangelist c.moore

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                        • I heard this story of Christ being in the zodiac.

                          http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/david16.html
                          www.revivaldisco.com

                          Proverb:3:13: Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

                          1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
                          1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

                          Proverb:12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
                          Proverb:12:16: A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.
                          Proverb:12:17: He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
                          Evangelist c.moore

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                          • Every TRUE biblical BORNagain child of God is proof That He who is God and who's record and testomony is found in the BIBLE and by such has proved Himself to be God and beside Him there is no other.
                            Has not only proved for themselves that HE IS in truth God but by thier very lives testyfy of and give witness to the FACT.

                            For they have acknowldged and recognised that what the bible said about themselves whom they did know that we and all have siined and have come short of the glory of God and we sin because we are sinners.
                            Found that upon THAT acknowldgement and confession that we then came to an understanding of the truth about Him who we did not know.
                            and so acted according to the Word of God in faith believeing and what did we find?
                            That that which was unknown became known and that which we did not have we now have namel;y peace with God and a joy unspeakable and full of glory.
                            That what men and I put thier faith in BEFORE has and is increasingly proving to be false and is passing away.
                            But thier faith who now is in Him is seen ,day by day to be more certain and is manifestly true and right.
                            Seeing that what is acted upon but unseen ALWAYS works!
                            While that which the whole world acts upon "namely the apearence of things" shows that they are wrong!even as I was once.

                            The whole of creation (apart from man actions) proves that HE IS REAL but men unwilling to acknowledge that THEY are wrong BLINDS THEM TO THE TRUTH.
                            So having ears they hear not and eyes but see not.
                            The world testyfies that MANS way is NOT the way.
                            While all who have repeneted and believed on Him have found that GODS WAY who is JESUS Christ is not only THE way but is MANIFESTLY so to all that walk in it.

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                            • So can anyone here please give me science evidence or other evidence that Christ lived outside the use of the bible or an religious form of information??
                              Josephus, Tacitus and some others mention Jesus. All the historical secular sources of them have three things in common with the gospels.

                              There was a man Jesus.
                              There was a movement inspired by him.
                              And it continued after his death.

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                              • Historical skepticism.......

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                                Gotta love the fun and witty Robert M. Price,...here he goes over skepticism and the historical method. An underlying theme was 'Jesus is dead' (title of a book of articles by said author), as to questioning the resurrection story, but he goes on to cover lots of good stuff concerning what the criteria is in historical methodology and finding out what historical events are most probable versus what is open to revision.

                                Skepticism and historical probability


                                Robert takes a more agnostic skeptical approach, which leaves the window open to learn more and revise one's hypothesis. Such is aligned with the scientific method.






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